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Title: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on September 28, 2014, 05:47:52 pm

Oh hai guise.

Currently am lvl 34 on main and tired of my goddamn crappy build (again), which consists of a hybrid 1h/pole/shield agi-whore.

I can respecc and still be lvl 34 (as I did several times before, *sigh*) and was thinking on going lancercav again with decent agi to play decently on siege as-well. But the again, eu_1 is dead, and using a horse in siege/conquest is economic suicide and feel tempted on joining the mob with a 8+ ps build foot soldier.

Wat do? : <



inb4 m0d is d0d
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Teeth on September 28, 2014, 06:14:37 pm
I think you should have never hybridized on your main in the first place, but for the love of god, do yourself a favour now and start levelling a new character. Cavalry becomes viable and fun very early, especially with double xp and OP banner stack you can level it to 25 in a few hours and from there on out it is fun. Infantry becomes viable and fun on Siege at like level 18. I have 4 characters that are over level 32 and it is simply awesome to be able to play anything I want, whenever I want, with great pure builds to boot. It's really what has kept me playing for the past year.

Seriously, if you have respecced multiple times, that simply means you need variety in your builds and the only way to get that without the pain of crappy hybridizing or sour respeccing, is by levelling multiple characters. Sometimes I wonder why nobody seems to think of this. ''Lancer build with good enough agi to play siege as well''. No, don't, level a focused lancer build and a focused siege build. It doesn't take much time because at level 30, your seperate builds will be better at what they do than your hybrid will be at level 32.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Senni__Ti on September 28, 2014, 06:20:07 pm
21 24 is a blast, glass cannon though.
Though what's your favourite class?

If you get bored easily, 18 21 might be a good idea (cav + foot soldier, not amazing at either, pretty much lvl 30/31 in both).

I personally made an alt when I was bored, I now have lvl 33, 32 (2m from 33 :D) and 30 alts.
Going from 1-> lvl 30 didn't take all that long tbh, considering a single round of x5 conquest nets 300,000 xp.

No loss of xp and I usually found I craved my main's playstyle at some point or another, no matter how bored I got when I started my alt.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Jack1 on September 28, 2014, 06:50:13 pm
When I used to be cav at level 33/34 I had:

24 str
18 agi

8 ps
6 riding
6athletics
6 weapon master
3/6 shielding

130 polearm wpf
140 2h wpf.


Since there was that cav patch between then and now you might need to modify that to 7 riding if you want one of those horses. Other than that it's a fun build that let's you do many things in many situations.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Inglorious on September 28, 2014, 09:31:21 pm
Speaking of glass cannon

15/33 Lancer here

5 PS
11 Riding
3 WM

Nothing else

Don't do this build. Unless you like being able to really (& I mean really) out-maneuver everyone. This is not a build you take to foot either, obviously. You keep that horse alive or you die trying, literally.

For those who make think this is a couching build, you can play this either way you want.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on September 29, 2014, 12:33:22 am
Speaking of glass cannon

15/33 Lancer here

5 PS
11 Riding
3 WM

Nothing else

Don't do this build. Unless you like being able to really (& I mean really) out-maneuver everyone. This is not a build you take to foot either, obviously. You keep that horse alive or you die trying, literally.

For those who make think this is a couching build, you can play this either way you want.
You're crazy.   :o
I like you...

PS: I myself like the idea of high-lvl 21-21 lancer with 7 athletics.
I think hybridizing like that is better than having two separate characters, unless you're going to switch to your "infantry" char every time you get dehorsed on your lancer one.  :)
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on September 29, 2014, 02:00:47 am
You're crazy.   :o
I like you...

PS: I myself like the idea of high-lvl 21-21 lancer with 7 athletics.
I think hybridizing like that is better than having two separate characters, unless you're going to switch to your "infantry" char every time you get dehorsed on your lancer one.  :)

Touché.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on September 29, 2014, 02:19:11 am
Touché.
No, I'm Russian.   :|
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
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Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on September 30, 2014, 12:27:27 am
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That sound is quite addictive.  :)
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Molly on September 30, 2014, 09:42:42 am
Don't go Cav. There are already so many of those valor whores around. No need for another one... :cry:
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Panos_ on September 30, 2014, 10:30:41 am
Use the build that PolePoop uses

18 STR 21 AGI

6 PS
6 IF
7 ATH
7 RIDING
7 WM

I recommend this build hands down, you can be an exceptional lancer and a very good footman.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on September 30, 2014, 12:08:23 pm
I'm pretty sure Polepoop is 21-18 unless he respeced, but the build you posted is indeed better imo.  :)
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Erzengel on September 30, 2014, 12:30:00 pm
Use the build that PolePoop uses

18 STR 21 AGI

6 PS
6 IF
7 ATH
7 RIDING
7 WM

I recommend this build hands down, you can be an exceptional lancer and a very good footman.

Quite similar to my new build.

Level 34:

18/21

3 Iron Flesh
6 Power Strike
7 Athletics
7 Riding
5 Shield
7 Weapon Master

131 One Handed
147 Polearm

It gives a lot of flexibility, works great as cavalry and is still good on foot. 6 Power Strike sometimes feels a little bit low, though.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Tore on September 30, 2014, 04:37:15 pm
Used that build just without IF because level 33, it's breddy gud.

Now I don't know what to do because cav sug :DDD
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on October 01, 2014, 02:54:32 am
I have alts for when I am craving different builds, but my main is hybridized too. Playing a single-focused build can get boring over the course of those really high levels.

The choice is up to you, but if you really want to play cav and that's it I would recommend making a cav alt and keeping your main character's build. If the battle server is empty you don't need to play siege/conquest with a gimped build.

Do you really hate your current build? Or are you just looking for something fresh?
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on October 01, 2014, 04:23:07 am
Mod is bread.

Crows like bread.

Karasu can never quit shanking people with my rondel dagger in mod, fakts proven.

For a main build, I'd say specialize for wherever you play the most, and only hybrid for glaring weaknesses in your build that you cannot avoid completely (e.g. a few points in shield to soak up ranged), or if the investment made to hybrid is tiny compared to the benefit.

This is my build:

(click to show/hide)

This would be my build for siege:

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Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Torben on October 01, 2014, 09:08:29 am
min maxing the main is a great temptation i am sure.  if you should decide to go cav,  you must consider getting 7 riding.  jumping an an arab wh from time to time is a fucking blast,  such a fun horse!

also consider other cav then polecav.  using 1 or 2h on horse works swell,  and for occacional lancing fun you can always grab a greatlance.

that being said,  anything upward of 18/18 is great fun (even 15 str works okish on horse)  and you should probably add the surplus points to tender your infantry needs.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2014, 04:54:05 pm
Do you really hate your current build? Or are you just looking for something fresh?

To be fair, I quite enjoy my build effectiveness even with 6 ps only, but the lack of IF bothers me too much, since having 7 shield skill or 5 is pretty much the same with all the maul/bardiche/axe fest nowadays.

Being really squishy really pisses me off.

But thanks for all the advices guys, maybe I'll just make this character have a rest for a while and focus on my alts again, in case nothing happens to the mod in the next days (also known as death).
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on October 01, 2014, 05:23:18 pm
Well, I guess with your current build you can grab a warhammer + red tassel spear and be pretty much godly.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Torben on October 01, 2014, 05:45:03 pm
concidering your ability to respecc and staying lvl 34,  you should soonish hit 35 and get 3IF, eh?
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2014, 05:58:36 pm
Nope, halfway, and would get 1 IF. :D


Strength:18
Agility:24

One Handed:138
Two Handed:40
Polearm:166

Weapon Master:8
Athletics:8
Riding:0
Iron Flesh:0
Shield:7
Power Strike:6

Experience:136,981,429
Level up in:43,996,215
Next level:180,977,644
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on October 01, 2014, 06:07:57 pm
Eh, why?
Convert the attribute point you get from level up, and that would make 3 skillpoints in total, no?
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2014, 06:09:07 pm
True, forgot about that one -_-'
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Macropus on October 01, 2014, 06:22:27 pm
Well IMO your build is just great, and will be even more powerful at higher levels.
My say is - if you don't completely hate playing as shielder, don't respec. Make alts instead.

PS: what's the gear setup you use?
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2014, 10:35:17 pm
Depends on the mood tbh, on battle is hoplite with elite cav shield + ashwood / warspear or simply pike.

Siege I rarely go hoplite, it's mostly steel buckler + sideweapon (be it a dagger or a fast light 1h) and either Bec/Poleaxe/Longmaul/LongWarAxe.

I rotate a lot.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: AwesomeHail on October 01, 2014, 10:46:45 pm
6 Power Strike sometimes feels a little bit low, though.

15 str masterrace.
karasu, have you tried 1h/xbow? its quite fun if you ask me, and is effective in both gamemodes.
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2014, 11:33:12 pm
Yeah it's exactly what I was before. And grew tired of ranged. XD
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: AwesomeHail on October 02, 2014, 07:25:21 am
you really should do solid builds on alts, thats the way to go
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Nordwolf on October 06, 2014, 09:09:03 am
On my main I have this build for a very long while now and I'm very happy with it:

Strength:18
Agility:21

One Handed:131
Two Handed:34
Polearm:147
Throwing:1
Crossbow:1
Archery:1

Weapon Master:7
Athletics:7
Riding:7
Iron Flesh:2
Shield:6
Horse Archery:0
Power Strike:6
Power Draw:0
Power Throw:0

With lvl 34 I only added 2 IF and 1 shield point.

(the 2h wpf is from synergy ofc)

It's effective both on a horse, you can use every horse with it, and on foot, as any of the three classes: hoplite, 1h and 2h pole. The only thing that is weak with this build is 1h damage on any higher armoured opponents.

I didn't even change the build when there was the grand respec thing, only tweaked wpf a little bit (Or maybe that's because I have a bunch of alts with min-maxed builds :) )
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Panos_ on October 07, 2014, 10:50:27 am
6 Power Strike sometimes feels a little bit low, though.

Not really, because as a lancer you get enormous speed bonus damage, and dont forget that you deal pierce damage, which is better on medium/heavy armoured players, rather than peasants/archers.

Fun fact, when I was playing as a lancer, I used to 1 hit armoured enemies, while archers required 2 and in some cases 3 stabs. go figure  :lol:
Title: Re: Respecc CavLance or Pole assistance needed.
Post by: Smoothrich on October 07, 2014, 10:54:42 am
Just do whatever melee build you want, then add riding to it, having at least 6. Close thread please.