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Title: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 02:00:49 pm
IT'S A FUCKING BULLSHIT MOD, DEVS ARE DOING NOTHING; MOD IS FULL WITH HORSE ARCHERS AND 1h CAV WHERE IS THE FUN?
NOW IT'S 14:00 THERE ARE 10 PLAYERS ON EU1 4 HA, 1 Thrower, 4 LIGHT ARMED LOW LEVEL INF AND ME POLE CAV HUNTED BY 4 HA AND 1 THROWER.
WE ARE CRYING NOW ABOUT THE START OF THE MOB ABOUT NERFING HORSE ARCHERS! AND 1h CAV, WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?! NOTHING DEVS JUST DIDN'T FIXED VALOUR OR ADDED SOME ALSE TO THE MOD JUST SOME FUCKING VOICES!

HATE IT OR LIKE IT I DON'T CARE

Best way to deal with HA is to not play. Empty server is no fun for anyone
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: bavvoz on August 13, 2014, 02:03:13 pm
Grab an arbalest, happy hunting!
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Penitent on August 13, 2014, 02:06:55 pm
Chamber of tears!  Chamber of tears!

Your hopes and fears: to the chamber of tears!
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Prpavi on August 13, 2014, 02:19:11 pm
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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tibe on August 13, 2014, 02:40:32 pm
Its wednesday and middle of the day. Dont come here complaining if you dont have a job, you lazy slob.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Bronto on August 13, 2014, 02:43:01 pm
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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tojo on August 13, 2014, 02:46:02 pm
You were doing great with your punctuation at the start, but you missed some comas and have misplaced exclamation points.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 02:49:37 pm
I DON'T CARE
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Kalp on August 13, 2014, 02:51:04 pm
gib loomz  :mrgreen:
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Post by: karasu on August 13, 2014, 03:17:48 pm
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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 03:26:37 pm
You are playing like 1 hour in 2 weeks, do you think i care what you think about this thread?
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Austrian on August 13, 2014, 03:45:05 pm
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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: vipere on August 13, 2014, 03:58:11 pm
If you hate them that much, just find a way to annoy them as much they annoy you.

If you hate archers do a 9/27 build with light lance, shield and knockdown mace, you just have to run ( dont even try to kill other targets, focus on archers ) and when you find an archer, wait behind him, he will have to always look on his back, and when he is trying to kill you in melee, fall back, wait for an other infantry to come and gank him.

If you hate 1h cavs, hoplite is the way to go, wait at your spawn with peasant gear and a decent pokey weapon ( military fork do the job really well ) and feint being afk, they will come for you 30 sec after you spawned, when he get close enough, make a 360 and rear his horse, with the fork you will have enough time to kill the horse ( or rear it again if its heavy horse ). After you dismounted him, leave him and go find an other cav.

I dont have solutions about HA, Smurf Niluk is muted on the forum, so if there is no admins on, maybe you can poll Ban him, he wont be able to make a ban thread  :twisted: Or wait for Thomek


Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Herezy92 on August 13, 2014, 03:59:56 pm
Smurf Niluk is muted on the forum, so if there is no admins on, maybe you can poll Ban him, he wont be able to make a ban thread  :twisted: Or wait for Thomek
BIG +1 only for this :D
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 04:04:30 pm
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AND YOU??? ARE YOU JUST ABLE TO POST PICTURES?! YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION TO THIS
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tibe on August 13, 2014, 04:06:37 pm
I dont have solutions about HA, Smurf Niluk is muted on the forum, so if there is no admins on, maybe you can poll Ban him, he wont be able to make a ban thread  :twisted: Or wait for Thomek

Hm, thats a pretty solid idea. Since he is HA and therefore has no friends, he cant convince anyone to back his claim or make screenshots.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: SyderOne on August 13, 2014, 04:26:04 pm
go to Eu2 like all ...
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: zottlmarsch on August 13, 2014, 04:28:39 pm
IT'S A FUCKING BULLSHIT MOD, DEVS ARE DOING NOTHING; MOD IS FULL WITH HORSE ARCHERS AND 1h CAV WHERE IS THE FUN?
NOW IT'S 14:00 THERE ARE 10 PLAYERS ON EU1 4 HA, 1 Thrower, 4 LIGHT ARMED LOW LEVEL INF AND ME POLE CAV HUNTED BY 4 HA AND 1 THROWER.
WE ARE CRYING NOW ABOUT THE START OF THE MOB ABOUT NERFING HORSE ARCHERS! AND 1h CAV, WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?! NOTHING DEVS JUST DIDN'T FIXED VALOUR OR ADDED SOME ALSE TO THE MOD JUST SOME FUCKING VOICES!

HATE IT OR LIKE IT I DON'T CARE

Hey Prick, don't diss the voices, they are like the best addition in years, or at least since Lederhosen got added!

Anyway Devs are busy working on their new game, they don't need to work on cRPG anymore. They've already given enough of their time (freely) over the past 4 years, any additions that they do decide to make should be seen as a fucking bonus.

Be grateful for what you have and think about all the hours they've put in for free just to give us a good game to play whilst asking for nothing in return, and what do you do??? whine and moan about it......Ungrateful little shit
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Kirman on August 13, 2014, 04:33:57 pm
go to Eu2 like all ...

The funny part is i see cavs on eu2 nowadays  :lol:
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Molly on August 13, 2014, 04:34:36 pm
The funny part is i see lots of cavs on eu2 nowadays  :lol:
But they are way less effective and annoying due to map design.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Rico on August 13, 2014, 04:35:20 pm
If EU1 sucks, play on EU7, it is way more laid-back :)
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Teeth on August 13, 2014, 04:39:38 pm
Horse archer and horse crossbowman should be gimped troll classess that are able to reach the middle of the scoreboard at best.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tzar on August 13, 2014, 04:48:29 pm
Horse archer and horse crossbowman should be gimped troll classess that are able to reach the middle of the scoreboard at best.

Just like throwing :!:  :lol:
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Zhyang on August 13, 2014, 04:48:40 pm
I dont have solutions about HA, Smurf Niluk is muted on the forum, so if there is no admins on, maybe you can poll Ban him, he wont be able to make a ban thread  :twisted: Or wait for Thomek

Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Screaming Idiot on August 13, 2014, 04:54:43 pm
ALL CAPS MAKES MY OPINION VALID AND TOTALLY DOESNT MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A WHINY BRAT THROWING A FIT
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Austrian on August 13, 2014, 05:22:27 pm
AND YOU??? ARE YOU JUST ABLE TO POST PICTURES?! YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION TO THIS
I have my own opinion about you and believe me - it's far from a good one.
Also: shut your fucking cunt mouth and be happy about what the devs made for us.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 13, 2014, 05:53:32 pm
Meh 5/10 could do better, learn2rage bro
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Grumbs on August 13, 2014, 06:49:05 pm
Best way to deal with HA is to not play. Empty server is no fun for anyone
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 06:54:38 pm
Best way to deal with HA is to not play. Empty server is no fun for anyone
THATS IT!
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tanken on August 13, 2014, 07:55:47 pm
You were doing great with your punctuation at the start, but you missed some commas and have misplaced exclamation points.

ftfy, no one wants a coma on this forum.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on August 13, 2014, 08:24:04 pm
If you hate them that much, just find a way to annoy them as much they annoy you.

If you hate archers do a 9/27 build with light lance, shield and knockdown mace, you just have to run ( dont even try to kill other targets, focus on archers ) and when you find an archer, wait behind him, he will have to always look on his back, and when he is trying to kill you in melee, fall back, wait for an other infantry to come and gank him.

If you hate 1h cavs, hoplite is the way to go, wait at your spawn with peasant gear and a decent pokey weapon ( military fork do the job really well ) and feint being afk, they will come for you 30 sec after you spawned, when he get close enough, make a 360 and rear his horse, with the fork you will have enough time to kill the horse ( or rear it again if its heavy horse ). After you dismounted him, leave him and go find an other cav.

I dont have solutions about HA, Smurf Niluk is muted on the forum, so if there is no admins on, maybe you can poll Ban him, he wont be able to make a ban thread  :twisted: Or wait for Thomek

so typical for eu.
instead of solve the problem u tryin to create a new problem witch could a bit solve the first one, but will led to more problem...
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: korppis on August 13, 2014, 08:31:27 pm
so typical for eu.
instead of solve the problem u tryin to create a new problem witch could a bit solve the first one, but will led to more problem...

That's how eu works. If your toe hurts, bang your head against the wall untill you don't notice the pain on your toe... problem solved.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Renay on August 13, 2014, 08:32:55 pm
That's how eu works. If your toe hurts, bang your head against the wall untill you don't notice the pain on your toe... problem solved.

Yep, we deal with problems the manly way.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tibe on August 13, 2014, 08:35:42 pm
That's how eu works. If your toe hurts, bang your head against the wall untill you don't notice the pain on your toe... problem solved.
Beats the na way of taking a gun and shooting it off.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Torben on August 13, 2014, 08:40:54 pm
During pre Upkeep and Slotnerf crpg,  I always carried an Arbalest with me.  Any horse archer would take a hike when I pulled out that baby on my courser : )

(except jackie ofc)
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Nightingale on August 13, 2014, 08:41:49 pm
Grab an arbalest, happy hunting!

Unfortunately this wouldn't do anything. You will only get 1 shot then never get to reload. Your best bet is probably hunting xbow or generic crossbow - much faster reload still decent damage. your chance of getting to reload is much higher and you can move much faster too.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Leesin on August 13, 2014, 08:59:32 pm
You can't complain about the class balance when there is 10 people on the server, the ratios don't work like that when the population is much higher.

But what's wrong in the long run with people complaining about HA's is that most foot archers are looking for easy targets, i.e shieldless infantry, where as the decent archers will keep an eye out for the Horse Archers at all times and make them a priority target. Believe me when I played HA I noticed who were the real good archers far more often than when I played Infantry, they could really fuck up my day and push me away from large areas unless I really wanted to risk losing my horse or dying just to fight 1 archer.

The other problem is that it seems at least half of the team wants to just run straight out in the open, which means as an archer you either follow to protect them or you use terrain smartly so you can get the upper hand on enemy cavalry/HA, it's just that then all your stupid team mates die in the middle of the field and bitch in chat about HA's and 1h cavs.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Grumbs on August 13, 2014, 09:01:32 pm
Problem is HA > than foot archer and foot xbow. Even if an archer is good he is statistically worse off than a HA of similar skill

The whole game is flawed with ranged though. Only counters to ranged is more ranged and now with HA/HX's we need to have even more ranged. I blame Tydeus
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: San on August 13, 2014, 10:00:07 pm
Other than nerfing horse speed into the ground for horse ranged or removing it, the only way is to have some type of stun resistance against ranged against up to X damage based on your armor+IF or something. I see many other potential problems with that, though.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Leesin on August 13, 2014, 10:05:43 pm
It's probably one of the most difficult balances to solve mainly because it is so sensitive and the issues are amplified by the maps themselves as well as the huge lack of team work you often witness. Personally I just suck it up and deal with it, I quit playing HA to 1h shield and now to polearms, I am feeling the HA burn, but I deal with it, I play smarter, I use terrain better, I stick with ranged to protect them from 1h/Lancer cav whilst they shoot at harassing HA's. As annoying as HA's can be I would never want them removed, they are a unique part of this game just like the combat system, even when they're pwning me and I can't do anything about it.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Andswaru on August 13, 2014, 10:07:47 pm
Horse xbow is preety much the most useless class, its just pure troll nothing more, except for hunting horses then its awesome. Also as a str leaning build I laugh at HA and their weak missile damage, i lose about 1/20 of my health when smurf_niik hits me using scale gauntlets and a mailshirt. Thats just a trade off I make, I tank small arms fire instead of been able to breakdance like a Micheal Jackson clone as you agility whores do. Take more strength. Tydeus and co did a great job giving us all the ability too rear horses now with any 2handed/polearm pierce weapon (best change ever imo) so dont blame them. Unless your getting more than 6 HA on a team I dont consider the problem to be a problem. Flags will still let you win.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 10:09:45 pm
The Problem is they need just 3 fucking arrows to kill my horse
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Post by: Macropus on August 13, 2014, 10:18:05 pm
The Problem is they need just 3 fucking arrows to kill my horse
only if one of them hit the head.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Grumbs on August 13, 2014, 10:20:28 pm
HA/HX balance is easy. Make more bows not usable with horse and the ones that are should have worse stats. Who uses Short bow? Make it a HA bow
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Post by: Macropus on August 13, 2014, 10:25:41 pm
Really all that should be done for nerfing HAs is nerfing yumi or making it unusable on horseback.
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Post by: Panos_ on August 13, 2014, 10:42:17 pm
1.Lower the ammo , most horse archers dont have a melee weapon so they can stuck up arrows, e.g 3 bodkin quivers give 51 arrows  :lol:

2.Introduce the angle restriction that lancers have to both HA/HX

3. Crossbows should require power draw skill aswell

4. Make the yumi unusable on horse
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 10:55:38 pm
It was just a rage post didnt thought we will get some good ideas :D
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Post by: Senni__Ti on August 13, 2014, 11:02:05 pm
1.Lower the ammo , most horse archers dont have a melee weapon so they can stuck up arrows, e.g 3 bodkin quivers give 51 arrows  :lol:

2.Introduce the angle restriction that lancers have to both HA/HX

3. Crossbows should require power draw skill aswell

4. Make the yumi unusable on horse

Other than 4, I'm game :p (I don't think it would improve anything, could make it 2 slot though, would reduce arrow count)

(Personally I find I do just aswell with a nomad/strong/khergit as my yumi, much easier to land hits with the higher shoot speeds)
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Post by: Swaggart on August 13, 2014, 11:25:22 pm
2.Introduce the angle restriction that lancers have to both HA/HX

This is actually a pretty good idea.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tojo on August 13, 2014, 11:35:43 pm
All these suggestions have been made before. Just saiyan.

If you don't like HA don't chase them, unless you can sneak up and couch them.  They only get points if you chase them, if they chase you they get negative speed bonus and do very little damage.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Swaggart on August 13, 2014, 11:45:12 pm
All these suggestions have been made before. Just saiyan.

If you don't like HA don't chase them, unless you can sneak up and couch them.  They only get points if you chase them, if they chase you they get negative speed bonus and do very little damage.

And if you don't ride a horse?
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 13, 2014, 11:47:34 pm
halp halp I'm being oppressed.


somebody call the wambulance, people are playing other classes than what I would prefer them to be playing.

if we had a conquest game mode, it wouldn't matter if someone was riding around pew pewing on the edge of the map. 

Your options as melee infantry for dealing with horse archers are to either hide behind a building, or do a better job protecting your own ranged teammates who can help take down the enemy horse archer.   Or cry on the forums.  But only one of these options is pro-active and likely to get positive results.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Grumbs on August 14, 2014, 12:12:03 am
halp halp I'm being oppressed.


somebody call the wambulance, people are playing other classes than what I would prefer them to be playing.

if we had a conquest game mode, it wouldn't matter if someone was riding around pew pewing on the edge of the map. 

Your options as melee infantry for dealing with horse archers are to either hide behind a building, or do a better job protecting your own ranged teammates who can help take down the enemy horse archer.   Or cry on the forums.  But only one of these options is pro-active and likely to get positive results.

Says easy mode cav that counters everything or can just avoid HA while still having fun in the game

Your suggestions are all to either not play or play something else entirely. Yeah sure OK, done that..actually most others have too. BTW Conquest isn't the answer, its not much fun from my experience

Real solutions is to avoid putting in classes that inflate a persons impact on the round simply by playing that class, and to stop making the ideal counter to ranged to have more ranged. Make infantry a real role in the game rather than a passive class that only has impact by zerging. Take away melee's strengths from ranged roles, make cav less easy to play. Stuff like that
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tojo on August 14, 2014, 03:45:26 am
And if you don't ride a horse?

OP rides a horse and uses a lance.

If not here are suggestions, which have also been said before:

Fake Afk... and kill their horse with 1 stab of any weapon.

pay attention to your back using ~... and kill their horse with 1 stab of any weapon.

stay near your archers, cav love archers... and kill their horse with 1 stab of any weapon.

bring a polearm with stab... and kill their horse with 1 stab.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tojo on August 14, 2014, 05:02:10 am
oops Crazy Double Post... GO SAINTS WHO DAT!
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Zhyang on August 14, 2014, 12:41:44 pm
Man of Steel is right..mounted ranged players are the most annoying and its just no fun if they play in the enemy team
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 14, 2014, 12:42:30 pm
If you don't like HA don't chase them, unless you can sneak up and couch them.  They only get points if you chase them, if they chase you they get negative speed bonus and do very little damage.

This is quite simply just not true. They get speed bonus every time they are shooting forwards while riding. If you are riding ahead of HA, that negates some of that speed bonus but never does it get negative since they tend to be faster riders than melee cav.

Says easy mode cav that counters everything or can just avoid HA while still having fun in the game

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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Ikarus on August 14, 2014, 01:37:35 pm
hate thread? belongs to strategus section

anyways: grab a throwing lance, bow or xbow and show em  8-)
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Tojo on August 14, 2014, 02:52:29 pm
This is quite simply just not true. They get speed bonus every time they are shooting forwards while riding. If you are riding ahead of HA, that negates some of that speed bonus but never does it get negative since they tend to be

I got a MW courser biatch! I got 99 problems but a HA ain't one!!!


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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 14, 2014, 07:48:45 pm
I got a MW courser biatch! I got 99 problems but a HA ain't one!!!


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Good for you then :D.

Sadly it doesn't make your original post true for majority of melee cav. One arrow from an occational HA is not the end of the world when you're able to go away from them but you're fucked for good if they can follow you.
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 14, 2014, 08:54:25 pm



Sadly it doesn't make your original post true for majority of melee cav. One arrow from an occational HA is not the end of the world when you're able to go away from them but you're fucked for good if they can follow you.

Ride back towards your footmen who hopefully still have some xbows or archers alive.

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Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 14, 2014, 08:56:00 pm
Ride back towards your footmen who hopefully still have some xbows or archers alive.

That's exactly what I try to do from the moment I get into such trouble. The problem is, they usually don't give a fuck even if they were alive...
Title: Re: POST OF HATE
Post by: Rebelyell on August 14, 2014, 08:58:25 pm
I blame tydeus