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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Prpavi on August 06, 2014, 10:39:43 am

Title: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Prpavi on August 06, 2014, 10:39:43 am
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28656050

So if you are wealthy and powerful enough you can beat the case for bribery by bribing the court apparently.

Love this one "It also means Mr Ecclestone is found neither guilty nor innocent."
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Xant on August 06, 2014, 11:18:04 am
The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that it’s nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Kafein on August 06, 2014, 12:46:45 pm
Xant you are lacking originality
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Xant on August 06, 2014, 01:19:30 pm
Kafein you are lacking brains
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Angantyr on August 06, 2014, 01:21:51 pm
Lawyer and journalist Glenn Greenwald has written a pretty interesting book about how the law is made to protect the opulent from the masses, a talk and presentation:

Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Vibe on August 06, 2014, 01:42:53 pm
Xant you are lacking originality

yes kefien u want die by brick in face in forst????
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Kafein on August 06, 2014, 02:29:15 pm
Kafein you are lacking brains

I can't prove you that I have brains, however the evidence available to me suggests so.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Falka on August 06, 2014, 05:46:42 pm
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You quoted it some time ago. The speech is good, I like it, but Altered Carbon was a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Xant on August 06, 2014, 07:19:24 pm
I can't prove you that I have brains, however the evidence available to me suggests so.
No proof = you're out of the game, sorry, that's just how the cookie crumbled this time.

You quoted it some time ago. The speech is good, I like it, but Altered Carbon was a bit disappointing.
I like Richard Morgan books, he's a pretty smart guy and as a consequence his books contain some pretty good quotes.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Falka on August 06, 2014, 08:38:36 pm
I like Richard Morgan books, he's a pretty smart guy and as a consequence his books contain some pretty good quotes.

You really should give Joe Abercrombie a second chance, his books are full of great sayings and dialogues.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Xant on August 06, 2014, 08:40:38 pm
You really should give Joe Abercrombie a second chance, his books are full of great sayings and dialogues.
I don't like the characters he writes, though.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Christo on August 06, 2014, 09:32:17 pm
Kafein you are lacking brains

I'd say it's some sugar. Definitely the sugar.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Xant on August 06, 2014, 09:42:26 pm
I'd say it's some sugar. Definitely the sugar.
You have no proof of that.
Title: Re: Well isn't justice system just wonderful
Post by: Angantyr on August 07, 2014, 11:30:31 am
A byproduct of democracy since Aristotle has been the fear that the proletariat majority would use its voting power to press the opulent minority for what was later called 'land reforms' at the time, general social reforms and redistribution of wealth. Aristotle's answer was more equality (proposing steps similar to the modern European Welfare State), James Madison's answer was less democracy, that power should stay in the hands of 'the privileged few' (hence the senate). This is a recurring theme in all western constitutions and spills over into our judicial systems.

"The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe; when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of the landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be jsut, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability. Various have been the propositions; but my opinion is, the longer they continue in office, the better will these views be answered." - James Madison, Notes of the Secret Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787


By 1792 Madison had revised his hopes that he expressed originally in a 1787 letter to Jefferson that the country be ruled by
the "enlightened Statesman, or the benevolent philosopher". Subsequently he fretted that the new republic was "substituting the motive of private interest in place of public duty," leading to "a real domination of the few under an apparent liberty of the many." In another letter to Jefferson (Jennifer Nedelsky, Private Property and the Limits of American Constitutionalism: The Madisonian Framework and its Legacy, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1990, pp. 44-5):

"[M]y imagination will not attempt to set bounds to the daring depravity of the times. The stock-jobbers [big investors] will become the pretorian band of the Government, at once its tool and its tyrant; bribed by its largesses and overawing it by its clamours and combinations."