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Title: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 03, 2014, 07:17:38 pm
So recently I grew a bit tired of the same grind in cRPG so, being the ex-mmo'er I am, I looked back in time.
So uhm... Turns out Warhammer Online is dead and gone now. Huh.
http://www.warhammeronline.com/
Can't say it's a suprise, the servers kept merging together and the population kept fading.
But now I'd like to know if any other MMO out there is worth playing now? I'm talking old and new.

Things I've considered (opinions?)


Any good or even remotely good MMOs worth trying out? I got some time to kill these days.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 03, 2014, 07:36:09 pm
WoW vanilla/tbc private server?

I play tbc (14x xp realm) and the vanilla (blizzlike) realm. http://www.wow-one.com

Guild wars, maybe?

WoW Vanilla blizzlike realm for the best time killer.  8-) ( and alot of nostalgia, if you are gay fir like I am)
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Grumbs on August 03, 2014, 07:47:09 pm
If you didn't try Guild Wars 2 yet get that. No subscription and worth a play through with 1 character to finish the story.

Besides that I'd wait and see how Archeage turns out. You could try Darkfall if you want something hardcore (both hardcore game mechanics and hardcore grinding)

Its not an MMO but i'm a bit addicting to levelling in Payday 2 atm
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 03, 2014, 07:47:41 pm
WoW vanilla/tbc private server?

I play tbc (14x xp realm) and the vanilla (blizzlike) realm. http://www.wow-one.com

Guild wars, maybe?

WoW Vanilla blizzlike realm for the best time killer.  8-) ( and alot of nostalgia, if you are gay fir like I am)

Yeah I played quite a bit on Warsong, got 4 60s and like 3 twinks (expensive as fuck I can tell ya).
Problem with that server is that everyone is T2+ and Naxx is almost on grind.

I thought a bit about going x1 on a vanilla server, but not sure I can be bothered leveling... 1 - 60 vanilla style was far worse than the nostalgia makes it out to be :(

If you didn't try Guild Wars 2 yet get that. No subscription and worth a play through with 1 character to finish the story.

Besides that I'd wait and see how Archeage turns out. You could try Darkfall if you want something hardcore (both hardcore game mechanics and hardcore grinding)

Its not an MMO but i'm a bit addicting to levelling in Payday 2 atm
I tried Guild Wars 2, was kinda put off by the whole "everyone is equal in pvp" thing they've got going on. I don't know, it's probably my old WoW gamer in me that likes to rek other people with the gear you've earned :3
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2014, 07:51:55 pm
I thought a bit about going x1 on a vanilla server, but not sure I can be bothered leveling... 1 - 60 vanilla style was far worse than the nostalgia makes it out to be :(

So true, I would go try Emerald Dream as well but shit.. cba leveling 1-60.

Anyway, I'm waiting for ArcheAge myself (imo currently the best option for AAA MMO on the market), also Black Desert seems promising.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 03, 2014, 07:54:05 pm
So true, I would go try Emerald Dream as well but shit.. cba leveling 1-60.

Anyway, I'm waiting for ArcheAge myself (imo currently the best option for AAA MMO on the market), also Black Desert seems promising.
Great to have you here in a MMO thread, Vibe.

Yeah I keeping an eye on Black Desert as well, do we know anything about release yet?
Oh and Blade & Soul - thoughts?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Christo on August 03, 2014, 08:00:58 pm
Yeah keep waiting for ArcheAge.

Probably best bet atm. Also available on steam when it comes out.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2014, 08:27:33 pm
Great to have you here in a MMO thread, Vibe.

Yeah I keeping an eye on Black Desert as well, do we know anything about release yet?
Oh and Blade & Soul - thoughts?

Black Desert just got an EU/NA publisher, which is the same company as in the east, but no date. Blade & Soul is okayish, combat is a bit more interesting than the standard tabtarget, but in the end it's very themeparky. Imo it's not gonna do well in the west.

ArcheAge's date is 2014, I think it's gonna be released in the coming 2-3 months, considering they're doing pretty big closed beta tests lately (I managed to grab 4 or 5 keys for the last closed beta).
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 03, 2014, 08:46:51 pm
Sweet! Have you tried out the game yet?

You have some spare keys btw?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2014, 08:55:31 pm
Sweet! Have you tried out the game yet?

You have some spare keys btw?

I've already played it to max level in russian beta, only checked it out for an hour in EU CB. No more keys, and EU Closed Beta 2 ends tomorrow anyway (was only like 4 days long, more of a stress test). Just keep an eye out for keys that are being handed out on various sites. Also I advise against buying any of those packs for early access and whatnot, they're just not worth it.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 03, 2014, 09:01:22 pm
Yeah I figured. Especially since the game itself is f2p upon launch. I'm just not hyped enough to want special epeen titles and capes.

How's the game?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Fearvich on August 03, 2014, 09:32:59 pm
I used to be a big MMO guy, but now it seems like it's all too easy. The joy is in the devastating, oppressive, time consuming difficulty. Like vanilla WoW, Anarchy Online, EQ.
http://www.project1999.com/ (http://www.project1999.com/)
EQ server with quite a large population. It's great....ly tedious...  but that's just my kind of game.
Velious is/has been coming out for the past year, so they're still on Kunark. The best part about old MMO's would be that there is no pay to win.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2014, 09:33:31 pm
Yeah I figured. Especially since the game itself is f2p upon launch. I'm just not hyped enough to want special epeen titles and capes.

How's the game?

It's good imo. It's a sandpark, kind of a mix between themepark and sandbox. I wrote more about my impressions here (http://forum.melee.org/and-all-the-other-things-floating-around-out-there/archeage/msg962438/#msg962438) and here (http://forum.melee.org/and-all-the-other-things-floating-around-out-there/archeage/msg966766/#msg966766)
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 03, 2014, 09:41:43 pm
Could you explain what "themepark" means?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 03, 2014, 09:47:25 pm
Yeah I played quite a bit on Warsong, got 4 60s and like 3 twinks (expensive as fuck I can tell ya).
Problem with that server is that everyone is T2+ and Naxx is almost on grind.



The new server ' emerald dream' has yet to see AQ opened, but it is x1 experience, if you enjoy the leveling experience (and grind) i 'd really advice you to test it! I am currently playing more often on the TBC 14x xp realm as I only play a few hours a week. If you power level you could get to 70 there within a day.  :)
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Grumbs on August 03, 2014, 10:01:17 pm
Could you explain what "themepark" means?

Themepark means theres a linearity to the gameplay, like you go from one ride to another consuming the content in a fairly planned way. In a sandbox you might have access to more content from the start, and you don't necessarily "consume" it and then move on. The players get given a set of tools to create their own gameplay with
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Christo on August 03, 2014, 10:03:12 pm
Themepark MMO best popular example would be World of Warcraft.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2014, 10:25:41 pm
To explain further on ArcheAge, you basically quest to level (you can level via crafting/farming as well, but its slower), you can do dungeons and you have tabtarget combat - think of it as WoW. That's why it's part themepark. Now the sandbox parts you have:  open world pvp, non-instanced housing / player plots, farming, growing trees, player driven economy, goods trading, castle sieges, naval warfare and pirating, underwater treasure hunting, sailing, castle building, fishing and more.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 03, 2014, 10:44:53 pm
You got the founder pack Vibe?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2014, 10:46:02 pm
You got the founder pack Vibe?

No, they're not worth it.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 03, 2014, 11:06:40 pm
No, they're not worth it.

How did you get into alpha?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Voso on August 03, 2014, 11:33:47 pm
How did you get into alpha?

He got lucky.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Patoson on August 04, 2014, 12:21:54 am
I've reinstalled and resubbed to Age of Conan. I haven't tried many MMO's, but I like AoC the most due to the combat system, the animations and the fatalities. It's a fun game.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 04, 2014, 12:27:24 am
I've reinstalled and resubbed to Age of Conan. I haven't tried many MMO's, but I like AoC the most due to the combat system, the animations and the fatalities. It's a fun game.

But isnt it f2p? :o
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Voso on August 04, 2014, 12:45:35 am
But isnt it f2p? :o

There are free accounts and premium accounts.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 04, 2014, 01:02:17 am
Is it worth to get it prem? How much is it €? Might just try it out..
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 04, 2014, 01:26:14 am
I'd like to know too
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: AntiBlitz on August 04, 2014, 01:26:32 am
Is it worth to get it prem? How much is it €? Might just try it out..

play it free first, as far as im aware, none of the fancy shit the premium gives you applies until your past a certain level(cool areas and what not to play in), and i spent a while just bumbling about as a newb in there.  Better off to not waste your money, unless you plan on sticking about after you did your trial run.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Voso on August 04, 2014, 02:02:38 am
Is it worth to get it prem? How much is it €? Might just try it out..

Here is the difference between free and premium. I'd personally say its not worth it because if you are paying a monthly fee you can do better than AoC.

http://www.ageofconan.com/playfree
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 04, 2014, 02:04:42 am
Hmm, yeah.. I think you are right, might still try the free version tho, could be fun.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 04, 2014, 02:17:21 am
because if you are paying a monthly fee you can do better than AoC.
Just out of curiousity, what would you say is better than AoC (subscription based MMOs now)
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Voso on August 04, 2014, 02:20:47 am
Just out of curiousity, what would you say is better than AoC (subscription based MMOs now)

I'm more of a fan of sandbox MMO's so the only one I'd currently consider paying for or recommending would be Mortal Online despite the fact they have only EU servers. It features dumbed down M&B combat in a sandbox RPG world with full-loot. Also has some grindyness to get your character leveled up, not too bad though and once that's done its smooth sailing.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 04, 2014, 03:03:41 am
I heard Mortal Online was pretty broken and glitchy when it came out first.
How's it doing nowadays? Population and gameplaywise?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Voso on August 04, 2014, 03:26:01 am
I heard Mortal Online was pretty broken and glitchy when it came out first.
How's it doing nowadays? Population and gameplaywise?

Yeah I played it in beta and when it first came out and it was a mess. That was like four years ago though.

It is significantly better but can still be buggy here and there. Population is nice though there is only one server. A lot of people are old timers but they seem to get newer people in here and there. Its kinda like Warband in that you get to recognize people pretty quick. Of course this is good in my opinion for a full-loot game, you know people's reputations. Gameplay is good too, just give it a try it has free and premium accounts too. Free accounts have all their skills limited to 60 and though you can level them higher there is no benefit until you sub. Should definitely give you enough preview of the game. They added a tutorial too to get you started.

They are on steam greenlight now and have been prettying up the game a good deal.

I'd recommend downloading it through the torrent option, it downloads real quick as opposed to the others.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Tennenoth on August 04, 2014, 04:51:45 am
Been playing ArcheAge quite a bit recently, a couple of friends got it (my brother got the founders pack for free since he participated in the alpha, lucky git) and we've had good fun roaming around.
It's the first time that the Caravan Guild has actually done what we set out to do, protect a trade caravan for money.

Highly enjoying traveling about, been attacked by pirates probably 20% of the times I've made a trade run, never actually lost a pack yet which is nice but I've not been out of my comfort zone and headed to the other continent yet, although my friends have and they've had roughly a 50% success rate.

(click to show/hide)

There are a couple of different types of boat, and the first one I think most people will build is a clipper, which you have two types of, one with a cannon and one with a harpoon. The harpoon is usually used by players to latch onto another boat and reel them in, which pirates have attempted to do before to myself. On my first trip out as ship captain on a trade run with a couple of guys, pirates used their harpoon to latch onto our boat, they didn't get us because one of them decided to use his glider to jump over to our boat, I used the harpoon that was stopping us from sailing quickly to pivot around the pirate at a faster speed than he expected, causing him to land in the water, and managing to get to a "safe zone" where same-kingdom pirates could no longer attack us (out of rough waters).

It really does mean that you can't just afk while transporting goods, and from a Caravan Guild point of view, it really really does mean that our services are required. There are a lot of large clans that can afford to create raid parties and transport goods around, but for a lot of the smaller clans or individual players trying to make runs, having a bit of muscle really deters the bandits.

My biggest bugbear is the number of gold-spammers, but I guess that's just part and parcel with MMOs these days. They are being combated but the occasional one slips through, as you can see by the screenshot.

I'll see if I can get some beta keys for the next one, if there is one, I'll certainly be playing it on release.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 04, 2014, 08:10:21 am
How did you get into alpha?

I didn't get into alpha, I got into second closed beta.

As for AoC, it's a cool game, if you want to be serious you need to get premium though (Alternate Advancement is only for paying users, and this is like another skill/talent tree). Too bad the devs prefer to work on PvE rather than doing something meaningful with PvP, which is what AoC should be about.

There are a couple of different types of boat, and the first one I think most people will build is a clipper, which you have two types of, one with a cannon and one with a harpoon. The harpoon is usually used by players to latch onto another boat and reel them in, which pirates have attempted to do before to myself. On my first trip out as ship captain on a trade run with a couple of guys, pirates used their harpoon to latch onto our boat, they didn't get us because one of them decided to use his glider to jump over to our boat, I used the harpoon that was stopping us from sailing quickly to pivot around the pirate at a faster speed than he expected, causing him to land in the water, and managing to get to a "safe zone" where same-kingdom pirates could no longer attack us (out of rough waters).

It really does mean that you can't just afk while transporting goods, and from a Caravan Guild point of view, it really really does mean that our services are required. There are a lot of large clans that can afford to create raid parties and transport goods around, but for a lot of the smaller clans or individual players trying to make runs, having a bit of muscle really deters the bandits.

My biggest bugbear is the number of gold-spammers, but I guess that's just part and parcel with MMOs these days. They are being combated but the occasional one slips through, as you can see by the screenshot.

I'll see if I can get some beta keys for the next one, if there is one, I'll certainly be playing it on release.

We once harpooned some poor guys rowboat (he was afk on it), we dragged him out of the safezone and then gangbanged him :lol: But yeah, this game is a lot about PvP. After level 30 you'll be playing in PvP zones and you'll need to have your eyes on your butt the entire time (except those 2 hours of peace). Sea is never safe either, neither is the northern continent, which is for big scale PvP and castle sieges.

This was my guilds castle in alpha
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As you said, there truely is a meaning to caravan guards in this game :) Except in the case of big guilds of course:
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Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Patoson on August 04, 2014, 10:26:38 am
Is it worth to get it prem? How much is it €? Might just try it out..
If you buy the game you can play it for free until you reach the max level. Then you have to subscribe or you'll be in a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 04, 2014, 11:41:53 am
I see i see, thanks pat!
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 04, 2014, 12:20:46 pm
Judging by your post Tenne, ArcheAge seems like tons of fun!
I've long wanted to get into this sandbox-ish type of game with heavy emphasis on PvP. I gave Darkfall Online a try back in the days but got put off quick by the mess that the game was.
I remember getting ganked in the starting zone >_>
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 pm
Judging by your post Tenne, ArcheAge seems like tons of fun!
I've long wanted to get into this sandbox-ish type of game with heavy emphasis on PvP. I gave Darkfall Online a try back in the days but got put off quick by the mess that the game was.
I remember getting ganked in the starting zone >_>

Yeah, Darkfall is a ruthless place, but biggest drawback for me was the fact that you literally had to grind hunderds of the same type of mobs to increase skills. ArcheAge won't put you under the crosshair from start, you won't experience PvP till about level 30 (of 50), when both sides start going to the same zone. From that point on it's pretty brutal :D You don't lose anything by dying yourself, but if you die in the open sea transporting a bunch of trade packs it's gonna hurt (they'll probably destroy your ship too, so it's gonna cost).
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 17, 2014, 04:22:32 pm
I can't really believe it myself, but I'm so close to starting an alliance char on therebirth.net, x1 vanilla private server... Anyone in?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: [ptx] on August 17, 2014, 04:45:59 pm
If there were others joining in, i might as well. Can't be arsed to play solo.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 17, 2014, 05:05:33 pm
Server's under DDoS attack at the moment tho.
The never-ending private server war is still going on it seems. Rumour has it that wow-one.com is behind the DDoS attacks on all the smaller 1.12.1 servers to fuck up the competition. Sigh.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: [ptx] on August 17, 2014, 05:07:53 pm
Wow. Private WoW server scene sure is full of asshole hosts.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 17, 2014, 05:24:03 pm
Really is, it's like a freaking cartel war where the biggest dominator tries to take out the competitors by dirty tricks :/
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: [ptx] on August 17, 2014, 05:29:17 pm
And it hasn't changed in the 5+ years since i last played there... :|
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 17, 2014, 06:24:16 pm
War never changes...  :evil:
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 17, 2014, 08:01:23 pm
How much population does therebirth have? The vanilla servers I checked are all low pop except for wow-one, which trumps them by a mile regarding this. I'm not sure it's worth it playing anywhere else. Not to mention x1 leveling is torture, if you've already leveled to 60 on vanilla before.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 18, 2014, 01:54:09 am
Therebirth's population has risen alot in the last few months, it's around 700-800 now.
It's also based on some sort of cloud service, which according to them, should make it impossible for stuff such as rollbacks and delay to occur. That's pretty sweet to me and something I enjoyed leveling my mage back when I played on the server.

Oh and everyone isn't running around in T2. It's pretty cool when t1 and blue PvP set is considered end-game stuff.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 18, 2014, 09:35:23 am
Therebirth's population has risen alot in the last few months, it's around 700-800 now.
It's also based on some sort of cloud service, which according to them, should make it impossible for stuff such as rollbacks and delay to occur. That's pretty sweet to me and something I enjoyed leveling my mage back when I played on the server.

Oh and everyone isn't running around in T2. It's pretty cool when t1 and blue PvP set is considered end-game stuff.

That's not too bad I guess. From what I've seen on reddit the therebirth community is much better than wow-one at least (wow-one's is horrible, not to mention that when I lost all my gear/gold they said that I have to pay € to get it back lol). And yeah, everyone is running in T2+ there. What kind of stuff can people buy with "donations" on therebirth?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on August 18, 2014, 10:03:39 am
ptx, dat gif again! what is that?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: F i n on August 18, 2014, 12:55:13 pm
ptx, dat gif again! what is that?
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 18, 2014, 01:02:53 pm
What kind of stuff can people buy with "donations" on therebirth?
Therebirth actually takes pride in that you can't buy anything from RL currencies, so no pay-to-win whatsoever!
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: [ptx] on August 18, 2014, 05:54:41 pm
Therebirth actually takes pride in that you can't buy anything from RL currencies, so no pay-to-win whatsoever!
Sounds good.
ptx, dat gif again! what is that?
:)
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Vibe on August 18, 2014, 06:16:20 pm
Therebirth actually takes pride in that you can't buy anything from RL currencies, so no pay-to-win whatsoever!

that's cool even though I was secretly hoping I could somehow skip the horrible leveling
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Johnnyfirs on August 18, 2014, 07:05:40 pm
Exactly... So did I.
Donate to 60 and then no donation options for items would be the perfect scenario.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on August 19, 2014, 12:22:58 pm
:)

I kind of expected that answer.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Voso on August 20, 2014, 01:16:24 am
ptx, dat gif again! what is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_aphroditois
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Gnjus on August 20, 2014, 09:03:04 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_aphroditois


pTx thinks he's some kind of a predator while in reality he's only a worm.
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Tibe on August 20, 2014, 02:19:06 pm
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Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: [ptx] on August 20, 2014, 06:06:37 pm

pTx thinks he's some kind of a predator while in reality he's only a worm.
Gnjus thinks he can get at anyone, but, alas...
Title: Re: Any good MMO atm?
Post by: Gnjus on August 20, 2014, 07:57:13 pm
....but, alas.......I got to your gentle Latvian heart ages ago, we're almost a love story of its own.  :wink: