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Title: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Chosen1 on July 08, 2014, 04:22:41 am
What's a good setup at level 31? Also skill points etc.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Taser on July 08, 2014, 04:25:51 am
18/21

6 PS
5 shield
7 ath
7 WM
1 IF

#shrekt #rekt #pwnd
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Macropus on July 08, 2014, 06:14:01 am
Or:

15-24

5 PS
5 Shield
8 Athletics
8 Weapon master

Take warhammer or some axe and you're good.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 06:15:52 am
If you are going agi shielder, you must trust your shield to protect you. Wear light body/head/leg armor and take advantage of high athletics.

15 strength
24 agility

5 power strike
8 athletics
8 shield
5 weapons master

149 wpf (1H or pole)
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 09:47:02 am
In my opinion you don't really need a shitload of weapon master for 1h weapons. They are fast by default so 6 is enough. Always depends on which 1h you wanna use but this should do really.

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Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 08, 2014, 03:57:56 pm
My current lvl30 build:

15/21
5PS
7 Ath
7 Shield
7 Wm

170 wpf in 1h
You can catch most archers in light armor ( I use leather jerkin) and are fast enough to get away from shieldbreaker 2h/polearmers and with a fast 1h (for example yanmaodao) you can sometimes overwhelm opponents before they know you are here. Quite durable vs ranged due to 7 shield and also good gold income
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Chosen1 on July 08, 2014, 04:10:37 pm
hmm.. I think I really want as much IF as I can get, is only 2 shield skill enough?

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I was messing around in character planner and this is what I came up with, thoughts?
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 04:21:49 pm
That is not a shielder. It is a swashbuckler who can grab a shield to protect himself from arrows of unskilled archers who cannot shoot your feet or head.

Certainly helps against arrows, but I would ditch the shield skill and put them in WM so you can grab an Elite Spammitar and spam the shit out of everybody.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 08, 2014, 04:28:59 pm
With 2 shield you cant even approach an archer, your shield is shot to pieces in no time. At least on eu1 you need to soak a lot of ranged dmg with your shield and absolutely avoid anything with bonus vs shields. I got 7 shield and a mw elite cav shield and thats not enough in some cases.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Chosen1 on July 08, 2014, 04:36:26 pm
hmm.. what about 4 IF and 3 shield?
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 04:37:04 pm
Well there is less ranged on NA1, but you too have skilled archers. So 2 shield skill is pretty much worthless. Lasts as long as a 0 skill shield, just eats up 2 skill points.

Edit: 3 is the same really. Anything less than 6 is not good in my opinion. Also keep in mind that your shield protects you from taking damage. So Iron Flesh (hopefully) will never have to be used since you don't get hit.

Also Iron Flesh is most effective when wearing heavy armour. And as a shielder you wanna wear light/medium armour. So the few extra hit points are not much of a difference really.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 08, 2014, 07:27:05 pm
If you wanna go low shield and more IF go for str shielder, as agi shielder you need more. Its the thing that you wanna be good at as agi shielder. Take several hits and your shield is still perfectly fine? Great, either support melee battles or flank them archers, if they see you coming they will fire at you and start kiting - great because you're drawing fire and your teammates can concentrate on melee instead of dodging.
See your opportunities and keep your shield up.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Taser on July 09, 2014, 03:12:34 am
Quote from: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 04:37:04 pm
Well there is less ranged on NA1, but you too have skilled archers. So 2 shield skill is pretty much worthless. Lasts as long as a 0 skill shield, just eats up 2 skill points.

Edit: 3 is the same really. Anything less than 6 is not good in my opinion. Also keep in mind that your shield protects you from taking damage. So Iron Flesh (hopefully) will never have to be used since you don't get hit.

Also Iron Flesh is most effective when wearing heavy armour. And as a shielder you wanna wear light/medium armour. So the few extra hit points are not much of a difference really.

Really 6 shield skill is your min?

I'd say 4 is mine. I keep my main at 5 shield and with a board shield (it is mw but even before I mw'd it, it held up well) it does just fine. I don't have the shield breaking except against axes and other weapons that mess up shields.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Switchtense on July 09, 2014, 04:17:18 am
Quote from: Taser on July 09, 2014, 03:12:34 am
Really 6 shield skill is your min?

I'd say 4 is mine. I keep my main at 5 shield and with a board shield (it is mw but even before I mw'd it, it held up well) it does just fine. I don't have the shield breaking except against axes and other weapons that mess up shields.

Well it depends on how you use your shield really.

I personally am the one always charging in first whenever I have a shield. So I am taking a load of hits, thus I need more shield skill.
If you run around fighting 1v1 most of the time you indeed do not need a lot of shield skill.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Rico on July 09, 2014, 04:19:04 am
As a shielder, I wouldn't perı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨sonally cut shield skill for iron flesh.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Taser on July 09, 2014, 04:34:05 am
Quote from: Switchtense on July 09, 2014, 04:17:18 am
Well it depends on how you use your shield really.

I personally am the one always charging in first whenever I have a shield. So I am taking a load of hits, thus I need more shield skill.
If you run around fighting 1v1 most of the time you indeed do not need a lot of shield skill.

Fair enough. I still don't see the issue with lower shield skill unless you absolutely want to tank a ton of hits. And for the most part it seems a bit useless unless you have a very strong defensive playstyle/non hero mindset.

Quote from: Panuru on July 09, 2014, 04:19:04 am
As a shielder, I wouldn't perı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨sonally cut shield skill for iron flesh.

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Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: SirProto on July 20, 2014, 02:46:54 am
mine is 12/24 with a steel buckler and a long dagger its mostly just a distraction build to keep people occupied while your team mate close in to help/archer hunting

4 ps
8 ath
8 shield
8 wm

my favourite tactic is to head for a huge group of enemies then dodge and weave between and poke unsuspecting ones while they all swing and teamhit trying to catch you
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Kan_Tervel on July 20, 2014, 10:07:16 am
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light armor and fast weapon Grosses Messer,Spathovaklion,Side Sword,Steel Pick,Italian Sword,Niuweidao
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Johammeth on July 20, 2014, 05:55:34 pm
I'm 12/27 on my alt right now. It's a bit overspecialized IMO.

I'm too much of a noodle-armed schoolgirl for frontline duty, but I'm great at running down smelly archers!
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Phew on July 23, 2014, 09:29:35 pm
The best argument for shield skill is that it increases neutral shield nudge damage.

Anyone that plays NA2 knows I spam neutral shield nudges like no one else, and with 7 shield skill I believe I do 21 blunt or so. Won't do damage to someone in plate, but it will 3-4 shot people with no helms/cloth helms (which is a surprising number of people). I love fighting the archers that block all my attacks, but still die in <10 seconds from nudge damage.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 24, 2014, 05:51:08 am
Neutral shield nudge means without having it raised? Didnt know it does more dmg. Will start spamming it when I get home.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Phew on July 24, 2014, 02:42:21 pm
Quote from: Grumpy_Nic on July 24, 2014, 05:51:08 am
Neutral shield nudge means without having it raised? Didnt know it does more dmg. Will start spamming it when I get home.

Yeah, don't press attack or block, just V. It has a wonky hitbox, and about half my deaths are because the nudge inexplicably whiffs. But when it's connecting, it is super annoying for your opponent (because they rarely get to attack).
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: agweber on July 24, 2014, 05:55:41 pm
Oh damn, didn't know that damage increases with skill. What's the base damage based on? shield weight?

I wonder what the theoretical max shield nudge damage is on a STF.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Phew on July 24, 2014, 07:41:56 pm
Quote from: San on April 25, 2014, 07:51:58 pm
https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2uSZrPWE

Shield bash damage comes from strength / 3  + shield skill * 2 as raw damage. The defensive shield bash currently divides damage by 5.

21-18: 19 raw
18-24: 22 raw
12-30: 24 raw

aka 0 damage 99% of the time.

So it's a function of strength and shield skill, irrespective of shield weight.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Phew on July 24, 2014, 09:36:28 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on July 24, 2014, 09:18:22 pm
Shame it's Str and shield skill, the 2 are incompatible. Some nerd needs to work out the 'optimum' shield bash build for damage. Then i want to have a fist vs shield fight with them!

The strength contribution is minimal. For a "shield bash build", you would want to be 3/39 or whatever, which still only does 27blunt damage, unmodified by power strike (possibly modified by speed bonus?). Would be fun for trolling, but don't expect to be getting a lot of kills from bashes. Neutral bash is an augment to your regular melee attacks, not a primary attack itself. It has a cooldown and a really crappy hitbox, so you can't rely on it.
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Tojo on July 24, 2014, 09:55:24 pm
Quote from: Chosen1 on July 08, 2014, 04:10:37 pm
hmm.. I think I really want as much IF as I can get, is only 2 shield skill enough?

Ironflesh is for the weak of mind and body... and no 2 shield is not enough
Title: Re: Agi shielder build?
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on July 25, 2014, 07:00:42 am
"Optimal" build for getting a 30 (15 * 2) damage shield basher would be 0/45 + 15 shield, achievable at level 32 dunno how many people got those bugged respecs though.

Funny thing is they can get 0/45, 15 shield, 14 athletics at level 36.

For the non-bugged shield bashers out there, 6/42 + 14 shield is the earliest build you can get 30 damage (6/3 + 14*2) with, achievable at level 33.

Sadly you can only get 9 athletics at 36 with 6/42.

I'm a bit interested in what crpg_nudge_knock_into_crouch_threshold is, it's only referenced once in the link.