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Title: About nudges
Post by: korppis on July 02, 2014, 08:38:59 pm
Is there any chance of getting 2h nudge aka pommel strike easier to perform?

If you compare it to other weapons:

- 1h can deal the nudge while holding any attack or any block, it's by far the easiest since it's always available.

- Polearms can shove while holding block to any direction. Up and down block make sense but turning the weapon instantly around from side-block to shove does not. Anyway, that makes shove very easy to do as well if you're not attacking.

But 2h can deal the nudge only while holding overhead attack. Not only is it the most useless nudge of them all but also least intuitive to use. Can we not have it available for other moves as well? At least up block makes sense animation-wise if that matters.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Thryn on July 02, 2014, 09:09:03 pm
First, go to the shrine of Tydeus and wait for 3 days. On the dawn of the fourth day, take your longsword and throw it into the blue fire. Look to the statue of Tydeus and chant 3 times, no more or no less, "give me run".
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Switchtense on July 02, 2014, 09:48:31 pm
Quote from: anotherGhost on July 02, 2014, 09:09:03 pm
First, go to the shrine of Tydeus and wait for 3 days. On the dawn of the fourth day, take your longsword and throw it into the blue fire. Look to the statue of Tydeus and chant 3 times, no more or no less, "give me run".

Does that work the same way when I say "Give us Testi back"?

Anyway, 2h is the easiest class to use. So having a nudge that is slightly more difficult and completely useless is only fair :D
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Grumbs on July 02, 2014, 10:01:52 pm
I wouldn't say 2 hander is the easiest, but it has a good presence in a fight with fast and long range swings. Making the nudge easier would probably not be good for balance.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Thryn on July 02, 2014, 10:04:23 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on July 02, 2014, 09:48:31 pm
Does that work the same way when I say "Give us Testi back"?

Anyway, 2h is the easiest class to use. So having a nudge that is slightly more difficult and completely useless is only fair :D

Testi's more like Jesus. On the day of reckoning, Testi will come from the heavens and finally gib us our l00ms.

Btw, if you're 2h, press X and go polearm for nudging.

Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Switchtense on July 02, 2014, 10:42:26 pm
Quote from: anotherGhost on July 02, 2014, 10:04:23 pm
Testi's more like Jesus. On the day of reckoning, Testi will come from the heavens and finally gib us our l00ms.

Shit that makes me become somewhat religious.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: korppis on July 03, 2014, 07:08:42 am
Quote from: Grumbs on July 02, 2014, 10:01:52 pm
I wouldn't say 2 hander is the easiest, but it has a good presence in a fight with fast and long range swings. Making the nudge easier would probably not be good for balance.

Honestly I don't see why it would affect in balance in any way.

In 1vs1 it's completely useless, and most 2h's (the long ones) will propably never use it anyway (s key + kick trap is better anyway). It's very hard to push people off the ledge with it either so that shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Switchtense on July 03, 2014, 08:54:24 am
I think if 2h gets a nudge that works for every attack direction such as the 1h nudge, but is still as useless as the pummel nudge then that would be absolutely fine.

But giving 2h a nudge that is useful, such as the pole shove nudge, the 1h punch nudge, or the shield bash nudge would make 2h way too overpowered. It already has the most advantages over pole and 1h, does not need another one.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: korppis on August 12, 2014, 06:29:04 pm
Bump for justice!

Give small weapons that don't have 1h or pole mode one of those or something. I mean if the weapon is carried in one hand, why the hell can't they have proper nudge? These weapons need it most because they spend all time hunting s key heroes with long weapons. Even those tea cup size bucklers can shove you 10 feet away without problem.

Siege is becoming more and more about pushing people down the ledges. Going against a wall of long ass poles and shields is pointless when your only option is to run up to it, stop and kick (or just throw your weapon away and nudge bare handed)...
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Palurgee on August 12, 2014, 06:41:18 pm
A while back I did some messing around with 2h nudging possibilities. Without the need to make a new animation the 2h nudge, the deployed shield nudge could act as a shoving-type nudge for the bastard swords. Simply remove the shield. The idea is demonstrated by this gif here:

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Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: korppis on August 13, 2014, 06:51:48 am
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on August 12, 2014, 11:47:04 pm
Nope, only useless pommel strike is allowed, if you want sexy nudge play a sexy class.

Or go the way of greatsword like majority... even they have pole shove.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: AwesomeHail on August 13, 2014, 10:12:00 am
you only want a better way for the Ninjas and bastard swords! i see that, played it for a while and indeed, the shorter 2hs have a big disadvantage over the longer reach weapons. they deserve some kind of nudge :)

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Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: AwesomeHail on August 13, 2014, 10:31:08 am
well yes, but there are some ninjas who nudge ;P
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: AwesomeHail on August 13, 2014, 03:58:41 pm
i didnt read it there, and most of the 2h heroes have eyes in their back nowadays
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Phew on August 14, 2014, 03:21:11 pm
2h still has the neutral nudge (same as every class), which is arguably the best one anyway. 1h can knockdown backpedalers, pole and shield can shove people off ledges, and 2h can deliver the longest stun (to open up turtlers so your teammates can hit them). All the non-neutral nudges leave you open to attack for a long time, so they are risky to perform.

Seems balanced to me.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:24:29 am
With most 2h weapons you can switch to halfswording and do a polearm shove.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Johammeth on August 15, 2014, 03:53:14 am
Who's got time for nudges when you're busy windshield-wipering the enemy?
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: korppis on August 15, 2014, 06:54:20 am
Quote from: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:24:29 am
With most 2h weapons you can switch to halfswording and do a polearm shove.

Yes but there are some weapons that don't have neither 1h nor halfsword mode. These weapons really need a proper nudge/shove.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: AwesomeHail on August 15, 2014, 06:32:54 pm
yes make katanas and bastard swords +400c and 3000p. give them a nudge that will fly the opponent off the map.

it is now balanced.

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Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: korppis on October 26, 2014, 01:46:50 pm
Bump!

Show some love for short 2h swords that don't have halfswording mode.  :(
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: BlindGuy on October 26, 2014, 01:59:02 pm
Been using bastard sword since Jesus was a pup, never had a problem, can shieldbash, neutral nudge, polearm nudge, and of course the glorious bounty that is the original 2h buttsmack.

I ask you, in all honesty, what could be MORE demeaning to your enemy than taking a second mid fight just to strike him with the pommel: it doesn't often lead to a free hit, doesn't do great damage, and its main function is to infuriate him, cause you just played him like a bone xylaphone.
Title: Re: About nudges
Post by: Camaris on October 26, 2014, 10:49:34 pm
Give 2h headbutt  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: