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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Sir_Hans on June 27, 2014, 08:16:07 am
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Ok so I'm finally getting around to upgrading my almost 10 year old PC.
This will be my first time building a PC.
I want to know what other people think of this particular build... Maybe tell me if anything is going to be incompatible (that would be a huge help).
My targeted budget is about 1000-1100$, but would be much more pleased to get it as low as 800-900$ without sacrificing too much performance.
Also I've always used AMD systems, in the past. But this time I opted for Intel, my reasoning for this is I've heard performance can be a little better than AMD's once you go above the 150$-200$ processor price range. Also I've read that the Intel processor runs a lot cooler than the comparable AMD processors I was looking at. (My room/house often gets up to 80f-85f during the day/afternoons)
I'd always prefer to have the system be idiot-proof. Easy installation of drivers etc... The software side of things is what intimidates me of building a rig. So any suggestions to help this be an idiot proof rig would be appreciated as well.
And I know some of you are going to say I should get a SSD... I'll save that for a future upgrade. I'm pretty patient when it comes to boot/load times...
So here's what I came up with.
Mobo: MSI Z97-GD65 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (179.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130769 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130769)
MSI Z97-G45 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (144.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130771
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell Quad-Core 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K (239.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899)
GPU: XFX Double D R9-270X-EDFC Radeon R9 270X 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 (224.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150704 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150704)
MSI Gaming N770 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 (349.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741)
Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory (83.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Extreme Power Plus - 600W Power Supply (59.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039)
CORSAIR RM Series RM650 650W ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply (119.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139054 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139054)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 - High Air Flow Mid Tower (59.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233)
NZXT Phantom 410 Series CA-PH410-W1 Black/White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (89.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146087 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146087)
HD: WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (69.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236625 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236625)
Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm (34.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM (99.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416806 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416806)
SSD PNY Optima SSD7SC240GOPT-RB 2.5" 240GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (109.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178720
Total Cost: $1348.89
That's all! Thanks in advance for input.
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your CPU is your Mobo
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your CPU is your Mobo
Oh werd... thx for pointing that out.
fixed*
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1) Yes, I'm running an R9 270x with an i5-3570k
2) Power is sufficient, though if you plan to add an extra card, you'll need upgrading. I believe your PSU isn't modular, so wiring will be more of a hassle. If I were you, I'd put extra cabling in the lowest drive bay on your 912.
3) Don't shit out on cooling. Your case (and the gfx card's fan itself) will handle most of what the GPU gives off, and your CPU will last longer with better cooling. Preventative maintenance also helps with the longevity of your machine.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me. I have many of the parts you're looking to get.
600w is plenty of power for this current build, and good cooling will help with OCing your CPU.
edit: a new feature to the R9 series is that AMD has removed crossfire bridging, your motherboard takes care of that now :D
If you end up adding another GPU, go ahead (your motherboard has 2 x16 slots)
edit 2: I used to use AMD CPU's, but after some trouble I've had - never again.
regarding drivers: AMD Catalyst is easy enough to install, but I know people who have had trouble using either AMD or Nvidia software.
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Oh great thanks for those answers... What would u suggest a good upgrade to that heatsink would be?
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Oh great thanks for those answers... What would u suggest a good upgrade to that heatsink would be?
That heatsink is just fine for your build. The place you could save money would be in the motherboard, gpu, and cpu areas. But if your build is already in your budget, your PC will work out nicely.
Currently, the only games I get FPS drops on is the ArmA series.
I also did get some FPS drops on M&B, but that's when I had 2000 bodies on xD
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XFX got a bad reputation for their GPU heatsinks last generation so make sure you do a little research on their performance this generation before you send any money their way; especially if you live in a warmer climate. Also, don't skimp on the PSU. A faulty PSU can cause a lot of damage to your system and may even do it repeatedly if you can't figure out the cause right away. I only trust Seasonic or Seasonic rebrands (Corsair) myself but there are probably other good manufacturers out there too. Johnny Guru (http://www.jonnyguru.com/) is the best site for reviews and other information on PSU's and I highly recommend purchasing only PSU's that he rates well.
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Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out Nehvar... Was contemplating getting a better PSU just to get a modular one and lessen the mess of wires I'll have to deal with.
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XFX got a bad reputation for their GPU heatsinks last generation so make sure you do a little research on their performance this generation before you send any money their way; especially if you live in a warmer climate. Also, don't skimp on the PSU. A faulty PSU can cause a lot of damage to your system and may even do it repeatedly if you can't figure out the cause right away. I only trust Seasonic or Seasonic rebrands (Corsair) myself but there are probably other good manufacturers out there too. Johnny Guru (http://www.jonnyguru.com/) is the best site for reviews and other information on PSU's and I highly recommend purchasing only PSU's that he rates well.
The CoolerMaster listed above (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039) doesn't seem to have an 80 plus certification (it's not very energy efficient). For a few extra dollars, you can find some other PSU's (Corsair makes fine ones) that may end up working for the benefit of your PC.
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Cool, well I just found out today I'm getting some cash from a shipping company who damaged my car wheel when shipping... So my budget is a bit higher now.
I revised the parts I'm purchasing... Different Mobo, Case, PSU, and graphics card. And I decided to throw in an SSD as well.
Any thoughts on the new setup?
I might throw in a few extra 120mm or 140mm fans because the case has room for extra ones.
Will I be able to overclock the cpu safely with that heatsink?
Also for the GPU, I Was looking at an EVGA GTX 770, which gets better reviews on newegg than the MSI GTX 770 I have listed...
But the MSI Mobo claims there is some sort of extra boost when it is paired with a MSI GPU, know anything about this or is it likely an un-noticable gimmick?
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But the MSI Mobo claims there is some sort of extra boost when it is paired with a MSI GPU, know anything about this or is it likely an un-noticable gimmick?
That sounds like crappy marketing move to me.
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That sounds like crappy marketing move to me.
pretty much
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I think on couple hardware review websites the MSI beats out EVGA on noise and temperature forgot which ones
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I think on couple hardware review websites the MSI beats out EVGA on noise and temperature forgot which ones
Oh ya?
That would justify the MSI one being 20$ more than the EVGA one...
Not sure which one i should go for...
Another question: Do you there would be any noticeable difference between a Intel Core i5-4670K haswell, and the i5-4690k haswell?
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EVGA doesn't build with AMD GPU's O.o
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EVGA doesn't build with AMD GPU's O.o
I was referring to the EVGA Geforce GTX 770 vs the MSI Geforce GTX 770.
I switched GPU's
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I was referring to the EVGA Geforce GTX 770 vs the MSI Geforce GTX 770.
I switched GPU's
ah ic
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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ah ic
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
The price/performance on the.. let's say top 4-5 always make me lol a bit.
especially the Quadro K6000. The hell is up with that thing?
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I like where the GTX 770 sits on that list in relation to its price.
Looks like a substantial upgrade from the R9 270x I was looking at first.
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The price/performance on the.. let's say top 4-5 always make me lol a bit.
especially the Quadro K6000. The hell is up with that thing?
workstation gfx
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So the NZXT Phantom 410 computer case I'm planning on grabbing has a 3 speed fan controller built in...
Will any additional 120mm fans I pick up, plug into the case and be controllable with this fan controller? Or do I need a specific type of 120mm fans to be compatible with the 3 speed fan controller?
(these are the additional 120mm I'm looking at picking up...)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103022 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103022)
Also, going back to the GPU... I'm gonna pick up a GTX 770. Are there any websites that compare all the different manufactured GTX 770's?
I want to find the one which has the best/most effective fans/cooling.
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Case fans aren't great in my opinion. They make noise for very little benefit. However, the best way to reduce noise is to replace that wind turbine (evo 212, I have the same and it's LOUD) with a water cooler. I'm pretty sure you can get one for just 40$ more, and also win 20 celcius in your cpu.
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Case fans aren't great in my opinion. They make noise for very little benefit. However, the best way to reduce noise is to replace that wind turbine (evo 212, I have the same and it's LOUD) with a water cooler. I'm pretty sure you can get one for just 40$ more, and also win 20 celcius in your cpu.
You'll still need case fans, regardless of the CPU cooling.
If you are really worried about noise, then get a case with 140mm fans like the Fractal R4. 140mm fans tend to be more expensive though, but have a lower rpm for the same flow rate. Getting some decent 140mm fans with a decent case, you'll barely hear a thing.
I generally find the loudest thing in a case is the PSU, followed by the GPU and then CPU.
Not much you can do about the PSU (never quiet :P), you'd be best off getting a decent one for a myriad of reasons aside from noise. The best tend to be a bit quieter. (A good case can make all the difference though)
CPU wise, a closed loop watercooler is slightly quieter than a good aircooled setup and has better cooling (Zalman CNPSX10 = <55C, Corsair H90 = <50C ; 4770k). However price is anywhere from 2x and up dearer.
GPU is similar to PSU, you'll want to get a decent one for reasons other than noise, but it should also lessen the noise issue :).
So the NZXT Phantom 410 computer case I'm planning on grabbing has a 3 speed fan controller built in...
Will any additional 120mm fans I pick up, plug into the case and be controllable with this fan controller? Or do I need a specific type of 120mm fans to be compatible with the 3 speed fan controller?
(these are the additional 120mm I'm looking at picking up...)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103022 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103022)
Also, going back to the GPU... I'm gonna pick up a GTX 770. Are there any websites that compare all the different manufactured GTX 770's?
I want to find the one which has the best/most effective fans/cooling.
I'd assume you'd be fine with any 120mm fan, they all have generic sockets. However if it asks for PWM fans, get those (4 pins instead of 3; meant to plug into the CPU fan sockets and vary speed with temp).
Graphics card wise; ASUS, EVGA and Gigabyte have solid cards. (MSI are worth a mention, but a little on the cheap side)
The ASUS DCU II is a really solid cooler, with a good flow of air in your case, this will probably run coolest. (It also OCs well)
EVGA ACX is another solid cooler, maybe not the coolest, but close. It blows all the air out the back of the case, so works better in worse cases compared to the DCU II (it blows the air out in every direction).
Gigabyte windforce is great at cooling, though it's a tad on the noisey side. I think it has air dispersal like a DCU II.
I personally favour the DCU II, solid warranty and card.
EDIT:
Read OP, get a samsung evo SSD, it's significantly better!
Corsair RM PSU's are new cheapo modular PSUs, I'd go one up if you could.
E.g. HX
http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012
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Well it depends on exterior temp, but in general each case fan is only going to help with heat dissipation by a few percent, with the first ones helping the most. If you really need that, whatever OC you are doing is dangerous anyway. Without case fans the inside of your case should be at a stable 60 celcius after hours of max CPU load, especially if it's a good case. That's low enough to keep your CPU cooled appropriately. That case already comes with 3 fans. Adding even more serves no purpose.
A correctly functioning good brand PSU is never, ever going to be the main noise source if you have a cpu fan. If your PSU does make fan noise, check for dust. Maybe it needs some oil, too.
CPU water cooling kits with PWD fans are going to be much, much quieter than CPU fans (with PWD too ofc.). The heat transfer is much more efficient so you hardly need much airflow to keep everything super cool.
I also highly recommend getting an SSD. 128 or 256 is the best choice in my opinion as it allows you to install the OS and a few things on it then leave the heavy things to a HDD.
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Well it depends on exterior temp, but in general each case fan is only going to help with heat dissipation by a few percent, with the first ones helping the most.
Wrong, case fans are extremely important for proper airflow in order to avoid the formation of hot air pockets. The only thing worse than no case fans is randomly placed case fans (e.g. 3x intake, 0x exhaust).
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Cool, thanks for these suggestions.
I switched the PSU to a corsair HX 650w... was 10$ cheaper than the RM 650w.
Switched the SSD to a SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW 2.5" 250GB SATA 6Gb/s TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD).
and for a CPU cooler, I changed to CORSAIR Hydro Series H75 CW-9060015-WW Water/Liquid CPU Cooler 120 MM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181058 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181058)
Is this a decent closed loop water cooler?
Should I pickup 2 extra 120mm fans? The case comes with 3 fans preinstalled... One intake 120mm in the front, and 2 exaust fans 120mm, in the back, and I think a 140mm (might be 120mm) on the top above the mobo.
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Yes, that's a good water cooler.
And I don't think you need to worry with extra case fans, the ones in your case should do the job quite well already. CoolerMaster's HAF 912 is a solid case, and it's designed to help your PC breathe (HAF = high air flow)
If you're really trying to go for a battlestation pc, get a full tower #pcmasterrace
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Another question...
Can someone give me a comparison of these two mobo's?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130771 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130771)
vs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130692 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130692)
The Z87 (the second link) is currently bundled with a core i7 4770k cpu for savings of 76$, which only makes it about 30 dollars more than the CPU (i5 4690k) and the mobo (the Z97, the first link) I currently have in my cart...
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Newegg has a built in comparison tool. Check it out.
biggest difference in my quick glance was the chipset (z87 is good if you want to get that bundle)
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Ok I think I'm pretty satisfied with all the parts I've chosen...
Any last thoughts on this build? Here is a link to all of the parts I'm going to purchase... Final price is about 1,450$ (unable to add combo deals to wish list, so it appears a little bit higher in the link)
I'm gonna pick up a couple extra 120mm fans just because they are so cheap, there is room for them in the case and I want more blue LED's in my case :P
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=19278854 (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=19278854)
I think I'm gonna purchase at the end of the day today, as long as everything looks good... and the combo deal on the processor/mobo doesn't expire.
One more question about OS... I read that windows 7 home premium supports only a max of 16gb of ram.
Do you think it would be beneficial to go with another version of windows 7 or even windows 8 so I can get more than 16gb of ram in the future if I ever need it?
Or will I almost never need more than 16gb of ram for gaming?
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You won't need more than 16GB of ram (in the near future)
Home Premium is 16gb
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Just ordered all the parts off newegg.
Case: NZXT H440 Black/Red Midsize ATX (Not the best in terms of airflow/performance... or price... but I love the aesthetics so much i was willing to make a sacrifice.)
CPU: Intel i7-4790k 4ghz (4.4ghz turbo) haswell (devil's canyon)
Mobo: MSI Z97 Gaming 7 LGA 1150
GPU: MSI Geforce GTX 770 2gb
Ram: 2x4gb G. Skill Ripjaws X Series DDR3 2133
PSU: SeaSonic M12ll 620 Bronze 620w Modular
HDD: 1tb WD Black Series 7200rpm
SDD: Samsung 840 EVO 250gb
OS: Windows 8.1 full version
Also picked up a Red 140mm fan by Corsair... and a couple sleeved red led strips by NZXT.
And I also plan to pick up a Kraken X61 closed loop Liquid Cooler once I get a little more cash...
Price of everything once I pickup the Kraken X61 will be just about $1700, including the shipping cost to hawaii... case was 70$ for shipping :(
(but Shoprunner+Newegg Prime trials gave free shipping on everything else.)
Can't wait to get everything to start building!!!
Thanks for the advice which helped me tweak by build until it was in the right spot! :mrgreen:
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Just ordered all the parts off newegg.
Case: NZXT H440 Black/Red Midsize ATX (Not the best in terms of airflow/performance... or price... but I love the aesthetics so much i was willing to make a sacrifice.)
CPU: Intel i7-4790k 4ghz (4.4ghz turbo) haswell (devil's canyon)
Mobo: MSI Z97 Gaming 7 LGA 1150
GPU: MSI Geforce GTX 770 2gb
Ram: 2x4gb G. Skill Ripjaws X Series DDR3 2133
PSU: SeaSonic M12ll 620 Bronze 620w Modular
HDD: 1tb WD Black Series 7200rpm
SDD: Samsung 840 EVO 250gb
OS: Windows 8.1 full version
Also picked up a Red 140mm fan by Corsair... and a couple sleeved red led strips by NZXT.
And I also plan to pick up a Kraken X61 closed loop Liquid Cooler once I get a little more cash...
Price of everything once I pickup the Kraken X61 will be just about $1700, including the shipping cost to hawaii... case was 70$ for shipping :(
(but Shoprunner+Newegg Prime trials gave free shipping on everything else.)
Can't wait to get everything to start building!!!
Thanks for the advice which helped me tweak by build until it was in the right spot! :mrgreen:
damn you really kicked the price up on that xD
dont worry, only like 3 more monitors and a few more nerdgasms will get you to pcmasterrace
enjoy your new pc
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Haha, ya, thanks!
There's this insurance company who shipped my car, and I got them to pay like 1250$ for scrapes on the wheel and tire (just found out a few days ago)... So it increased my budget. :mrgreen:
was aiming for 1500$ after I found out about the insurance payout... costs about that if you deduct the price of windows and the shipping cost on the case :rolleyes:
Next upgrade will probably be another 250gb SSD to run in raid0, or maybe another 1tb HDD for raid0. I also need to pick up a new monitor, mouse and keyboard... (long overdue.)
Ohyeah I had another question. The case the NZXT H440 doesn't have slots for optical drives... but I can still plug in an internal CD/DVD drive and just have it hang out the side of the case while I install windows OS right? Optical drives plug straight into the Mobo I'm guessing? I was gonna buy an external usb CD/DVD drive but I don't think I'd ever use it aside from installing windows from CD...
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Ohyeah I had another question. The case the NZXT H440 doesn't have slots for optical drives... but I can still plug in an internal CD/DVD drive and just have it hang out the side of the case while I install windows OS right? Optical drives plug straight into the Mobo I'm guessing? I was gonna buy an external usb CD/DVD drive but I don't think I'd ever use it aside from installing windows from CD...
Yeah you just need a HD power cable and a SATA cable. Those are normally long enough to put the drive next to your pc while installing
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Don't bother with raid 0, not worth it.
CD drives plug into the mobo with a sata cable (so yes).
You can install windows with a usb btw :p.
Looks solid.