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cRPG => cRPG Technical problems => Topic started by: 1907435 on June 27, 2014, 02:08:57 am
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This fucking bug is so so so terrible to the balance of the CRPG.
About 4 months ago , we found a archer who can shoot with a very high damage and we all know that he own 10 Power Draw skill.
Now we can see lots of archers can shoot and give the enemy the same damage as him in some server.
This is not the point.
The key point is that these archers can shoot on the target accuracy from more than 200 yards far away.
They can only own 30 str and 15 agi when they are Lv.32 which means they can just own 5 WM skill and about 140 WP.
I doubt they can shoot with a longbow so so so accuracy in a long distance.
So we try to have a test.
The result is that when the char own 9 PowerDraw skill and 5 Weapon Master skill ( all 140 WP in archery ), we CAN NOT shoot accuracy even if the target is only 50 yards away from us.
But when we own 10 PowerDraw skill and still 5 Weapon Master skill ( all 140 WP in archery ), we CAN shoot the target 200 yards away so easy and accuracy.
Ok the base of the test is the same char with the same WM skill, the same WP in archery, the same equiment weight, the same weapon ( longbow ). Therefore We are sure 10 POWER DRAW skill creat a fucking BUG that the skills do not punish the WP to the char.
We all know the 1 PD skill must reduce 14 WP points to the archery, 10 PD skill must reduce 140 WP points to the archery.
In this test we found 9 PD skill reduced about 130 WP points to the archery and make us can not shoot accuracy.
BUT 10 PD skill reduced 0 WP points to the archery then we can still shoot accuracy and creat a terrble damage to our target.
The difference between 10 PD and 9 PD is the distance from the heaven to the hell.
We are sure the a char with 10 PD has NO punish in archey.
This is the BUG of 10 PD
We hope Development Group can creat a char and test this fucking BUG.
We can not face a archer with fucking high damage and fucking high accuracy.
It is impossiable to image and unbalance to the game.
Thanks for help.
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This fucking bug is so so so terrible to the balance of the CRPG.
About 4 months ago , we found a archer who can shoot with a very high damage and we all know that he own 10 Power Draw skill.
Now we can see lots of archers can shoot and give the enemy the same damage as him in some server.
This is not the point.
The key point is that these archers can shoot on the target accuracy from more than 200 yards far away.
They can only own 30 str and 15 agi when they are Lv.32 which means they can just own 5 WM skill and about 140 WP.
I doubt they can shoot with a longbow so so so accuracy in a long distance.
So we try to have a test.
The result is that when the char own 9 PowerDraw skill and 5 Weapon Master skill ( all 140 WP in archery ), we CAN NOT shoot accuracy even if the target is only 50 yards away from us.
But when we own 10 PowerDraw skill and still 5 Weapon Master skill ( all 140 WP in archery ), we CAN shoot the target 200 yards away so easy and accuracy.
Ok the base of the test is the same char with the same WM skill, the same WP in archery, the same equiment weight, the same weapon ( longbow ). Therefore We are sure 10 POWER DRAW skill creat a fucking BUG that the skills do not punish the WP to the char.
We all know the 1 PD skill must reduce 14 WP points to the archery, 10 PD skill must reduce 140 WP points to the archery.
In this test we found 9 PD skill reduced about 130 WP points to the archery and make us can not shoot accuracy.
BUT 10 PD skill reduced 0 WP points to the archery then we can still shoot accuracy and creat a terrble damage to our target.
The difference between 10 PD and 9 PD is the distance from the heaven to the hell.
We are sure the a char with 10 PD has NO punish in archey.
This is the BUG of 10 PD
We hope Development Group can creat a char and test this fucking BUG.
We can not face a archer with fucking high damage and fucking high accuracy.
It is impossiable to image and unbalance to the game.
Thanks for help.
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Everyone can creat a char to test it if u just want the char is Lv 30.
30 str and 12 agi 10 PD skill and 4 WM skill.
U can shoot fucking accuracy and kill lots of enemies.
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No Discussion ！ Just creat a char and test it.
This bug is so damn.
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Rape of Nanking best day of my life
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Its intentional afaik, PD increases accuracy just like wpf does, so you can decide what build you want to focus on, agile or slightly more damage. Im pretty sure the 10PD build hits just a slight bit harder.
Using an agi based archery build is still probably a lot better because of the survivability movement speed ads, while str just gives some hp and that doesnt really help much for an archer. Maybe you tank another arrows or so but you also get slowed down archery duels so you have a harder time dodging.
ITT: chinese people who havent been keeping up with patches, i guess..
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Huh? i thought PD REDUCED wpf (accuracy).
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Huh? i thought PD REDUCED wpf (accuracy).
YES PD reduce wpf
BUT when your char own 10 PD it will not reduce wpf
This is the BUG
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PD 9 -> 10+ is only special because the PD formula currently used gives you slight WPF boost when you increase it.
I don't think it actually gives you a boost for 11-15 PD since no bows are capable of being drawn out to that point (and because there have been no reports of crazy super fast + accurate + damaging 12-13 PD builds running around) but it does work for 9-10.
It's a bit of a stretch to call a 6 WPF boost game breaking though.
PD WPF Penalty
0 0
1 12.5
2 25.8
3 38.6
4 50.9
5 62.4
6 72.6
7 80.9
8 86.4
9 87.6
10 82.3
11 67.5
12 38.3
13+ 0
var penalty = 0;
if(weaponType == "Bow")
penalty = - Math.round((Math.max(14 * ps - Math.pow(1.5,ps), 0)) * 10) / 10; //round to nearest decimal place
if(weaponType == "Throwing")
penalty = - (ps * 11);
return penalty;
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Just gave this a try with my STF and it did seem to be more accurate than you would would think it should be with 10PD and 121WPF.
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PD 9 -> 10+ is only special because the PD formula currently used gives you slight WPF boost when you increase it.
I don't think it actually gives you a boost for 11-15 PD since no bows are capable of being drawn out to that point (and because there have been no reports of crazy super fast + accurate + damaging 12-13 PD builds running around) but it does work for 9-10.
It's a bit of a stretch to call a 6 WPF boost game breaking though.
PD WPF Penalty
0 0
1 12.5
2 25.8
3 38.6
4 50.9
5 62.4
6 72.6
7 80.9
8 86.4
9 87.6
10 82.3
11 67.5
12 38.3
13+ 0
var penalty = 0;
if(weaponType == "Bow")
penalty = - Math.round((Math.max(14 * ps - Math.pow(1.5,ps), 0)) * 10) / 10; //round to nearest decimal place
if(weaponType == "Throwing")
penalty = - (ps * 11);
return penalty;
You are so professional .
Inface if u try to create a char with 10 PD u will find that the ture is more terrible than the formula shows.
Easy shoot easy kill. High accuracy high damage.
So the PD formula is a fucking big BUG.
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1 point of PD increases accuracy by 1.5 accuracy points (+20 for PD and +13 for an accuracy point for some reticule function)
If those reductions are correct, I imagine the combination of +1 PD accuracy increase and reducing the wpf reduction all the way down to 82.3 provides a slightly better final accuracy to 7PD builds with better missile speed.
Edit:
Using
proficiency -= max(14*PD - (1.4 ** PD), 0);I think the wpf curve that had 0 for 13 PD was changed soon afterwards. Might need to check in-game to make sure it's correct.
1: 12.6
2: 26.0
3: 39.3
4: 52.2
5: 64.6
6: 76.5
7: 87.5
8: 97.2
9: 105.3
10: 111.1
11: 113.5
12: 111.3
13: 102.6
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1 point of PD increases accuracy by 1.5 accuracy points (+20 for PD and +13 for an accuracy point for some reticule function)
If those reductions are correct, I imagine the combination of +1 PD accuracy increase and reducing the wpf reduction all the way down to 82.3 provides a slightly better final accuracy to 7PD builds with better missile speed.
Edit:
Using
proficiency -= max(14*PD - (1.4 ** PD), 0);I think the wpf curve that had 0 for 13 PD was changed soon afterwards. Might need to check in-game to make sure it's correct.
1: 12.6
2: 26.0
3: 39.3
4: 52.2
5: 64.6
6: 76.5
7: 87.5
8: 97.2
9: 105.3
10: 111.1
11: 113.5
12: 111.3
13: 102.6
I suggest u create a char to test .
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could it be that because of some bug 10 PD are read by the game as 1 or 0 PD?
This was an old bug once upon a time, perhaps your server is not updated. I would check that first. Can you confirm that the server you play on is updated?
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I am that "About 4 months ago , we found a archer who can shoot with a very high damage and we all know that he own 10 Power Draw skill."
Why i can't play with 10 Power Draw and less accuracy and slower draw?
Do you think 10 Power Strike or 10 Power Throw or 13 Power Throw is a BUG? They have a good speed/accuracy and have the same most damage.
AT last
The Bow Difficulty will be reduced 14 WP not Power Draw.
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Having rolled a 30/12 STF, accuracy seems ridiculously good for having 10 PD. I must say I have not much experience with the accuracy of other archer builds, but I don't see the need of ever getting high wpf if 120 and 10 PD is that good. Archer just seems incredibly easy-mode like this and perhaps this is the cause for the atrocious amount of archers recently.
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Accuracy is quite good, but still not nearly as good as using a high wpf build with a Horn Bow, that literally is dead accurate.
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Teeth, thrust me, there aren't any other build than 18/24 on EU1. Also, 30/12 is a shit in melee.
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Teeth, thrust me, there aren't any other build than 18/24 on EU1. Also, 30/12 is a shit in melee.
I know at least two high level 9PD archers on EU1. Still they are the minority, but there a prolly a few of those.
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Teeth, thrust me, there aren't any other build than 18/24 on EU1. Also, 30/12 is a shit in melee.
I have tried a 30/12 archer recently. I did way better than with an agi archery build. But that is not because 30/12 is overpowered, but because I just cannot be arsed to shoot the same person 5 times until he dies. Most of the times I shoot whoever seems to be an easy hit rather than a one-shot-kill.
I personlly think it is a quite nice build.
However, like you said, it is not as vertasile as a 24agi build.
I guess that one post about the 10PD "bug" made that build fairly popular, but many people either just suck at Archery (cannot hit anything so even the 10PD do jack shit for them) or they get bored of not being able to do well in melee. So the short influx of Archers will soon settle and it will only be the normal 18/24+ archers left (With one or two exceptions or so)
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This bug is true. NTWa is one of our players. Powerful archer.
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To chinese players, check that your servers are patched up to the latest version of cRPG!
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:mrgreen: I have 8 PD and 155 WP points. I can win the Archers' deul of more than 200 yards far away with 300ping.
:cry: But! why it's so hard to kill anyone in 20 yards for me?
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This bug is true. NTWa is one of our players. Powerful archer.
NTWa is the first one own 30 str and 10PD but not the only one of them.
If u get a light equiment weight and 10PD, u will find out the accuracy is fucking high.
I suggest u can build a char and test it the difference between 10PD and 9 PD in the same equiment weight and the same WTP.
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Teeth, thrust me, there aren't any other build than 18/24 on EU1. Also, 30/12 is a shit in melee.
Trust me , u can become the 1st player in melee in CN server.
For example, the archer with 10PD can kill a +3 Mamluk Horse with 3 shoots on the horse body but not the horse head in 100 yards.
Try it, u will feel being fucked.
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To chinese players, check that your servers are patched up to the latest version of cRPG!
To dear Thomek, we are the common players in CN server that get no right to contrl update or not.
The only thing we can do is to report the problems or bugs of the CRPG game and make CRPG become better and better.
I am not the only one who found this bug in the actual combat of the game, u can see at least 3 CN player found this bug in this subject.
We had test it and it is ture in CN server at least.
Please investigate this bug and make the game be more balance.
Thank u so much.
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Made an alt and got it up to 30/09 so far.
I must say that the difference between 9PD and 10PD is not really noticeable to me. I have 100 wpf in archery and levelled to get the 10PD today. Feels pretty much the same.
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I know at least two high level 9PD archers on EU1. Still they are the minority, but there a prolly a few of those.
Maybe they can become the 10PD archer than u will find out that they will shoot powerful and accurately.
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Made an alt and got it up to 30/09 so far.
I must say that the difference between 9PD and 10PD is not really noticeable to me. I have 100 wpf in archery and levelled to get the 10PD today. Feels pretty much the same.
U can find out the difference if u own the lower equiment weight. try it.
and 30/09 is hard to find out the difference but 30/12 or 30/15 will be obvious。
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U can find out the difference if u own the lower equiment weight. try it.
and 30/09 is hard to find out the difference but 30/12 or 30/15 will be obvious。
I am using a Green Tunic, Woolen Cap and Rus Cav Boots, cannot get any lighter than that :D
And I guess the only way it makes a difference is getting 20 more wpf by having 12 agi.