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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Thryn on June 19, 2014, 09:02:57 pm

Title: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Thryn on June 19, 2014, 09:02:57 pm
Hi there! I was looking at the Khyber Knife and scratched my head a little bit. I've decided to come up with this thread and see what you guys think. I'll keep it as concise as possible and leave the walls of text out.

So, let's start off with some stats:

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According to these weapon lengths, the Khyber should be able to block (after all, it's more like a shortsword).

Now, regarding the use of the weapon in a historical context, I found a pretty solid video about the Khyber Knife:
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What I propose (with a tidbit of information on each stat):
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1* We'll keep the weight down even though it's historically fairly heavy. It's 4d while the Short Falchion is only 3d.

2* Let's compare to the Wakizashi (which I consider overpriced for its stats):
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This will make the Khyber inferior in every way except: Gold, speed rating, difficulty

3* I'm honestly stuck at the cut damage; 29 will outperform the hand axe, but hand axe has damage v shields

If anything, this weapon just needs to have blocking.
Total Buffs v. Nerfs: 3 buffs (blocking, cut damage, weight) against 3 nerfs (cost, thrust damage, speed)

Let's show some love to Middle Eastern warriors :D

Artyem's thread that I dug up:
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/khyber-knife-blocking/
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Thryn on June 19, 2014, 09:03:37 pm
reserved for other ideas and

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Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Macropus on June 19, 2014, 10:01:16 pm
It weighs 0.5 kg though, no other weapon of such weight can block.
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Thryn on June 19, 2014, 10:52:30 pm
It weighs 0.5 kg though, no other weapon of such weight can block.

Some places have the Khyber listed around 2 lb (about .9 kg)
The heaviest I've seen so far is just under 1.25 kg

Can you block with a sickle?

A 60 cm knife with a thick spine doesn't look very much like a .5 kg piece of metal to me.

Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Macropus on June 19, 2014, 11:29:29 pm
Some places have the Khyber listed around 2 lb (about .9 kg)
The heaviest I've seen so far is just under 1.25 kg

Can you block with a sickle?

A 60 cm knife with a thick spine doesn't look very much like a .5 kg piece of metal to me.
Ah, forgot about sicke.
Well yeah, now that I gave it a thought, a pretty legitimate request.
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: San on June 20, 2014, 12:49:51 am
Sure
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Thryn on June 20, 2014, 12:54:57 am
Sure

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Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on June 20, 2014, 09:16:40 am
Did you just loom one and want it buffed now?  :wink:
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Thryn on June 20, 2014, 03:30:46 pm
Did you just loom one and want it buffed now?  :wink:

No
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Killer on June 20, 2014, 04:06:35 pm
Oh if this happens i don't have to long spear duel vs two archers at the end of the round to win now i can pull out my sidearm THAT CAN BLOCK and use that instead
Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Thryn on June 20, 2014, 06:30:52 pm
Oh if this happens i don't have to long spear duel vs two archers at the end of the round to win now i can pull out my sidearm THAT CAN BLOCK and use that instead

Nope

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Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: Austrian on June 20, 2014, 07:15:58 pm
Oh my god, this would be the first time a from me used weapon gets buffed.
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Title: Re: [Re-Work] Khyber Knife
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 21, 2014, 05:43:40 pm
When I was 1H/shielder I had a collection of knives and daggers loomed, including the khyber knife. 30 cut / 60 length / 109 speed is amazing if you have a shield to block with. It has its own little niche between dagger and short sword.

If any of the "can't block" weapons gained the ability to block, I would vote for this one. However, the stats are not bad in their current state. Rarely see anyone using it in-game though.