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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Chosen1 on June 14, 2014, 11:16:37 pm

Title: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Chosen1 on June 14, 2014, 11:16:37 pm
I'm still confused why you added this weapon, and then based it on the most broken mechanic in warband.  I'm sick of getting killed by inter-dimensional lolstabs that should do no damage, but take half of my hp.

I propose that you add swing damage and decrease thrust damage.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Canary on June 14, 2014, 11:32:25 pm
Is this because of Riran?
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Chosen1 on June 14, 2014, 11:38:04 pm
Riran is not the only estoc user in NA and EU. but yeah that guys lolstabs are crazy though
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Apsod on June 15, 2014, 12:26:25 am
If anything it should be buffed. Its pretty much shit.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: San on June 15, 2014, 12:44:25 am
+3 estoc is 107 length, 100 speed, 32 pierce, and 30 cut. It's just a long espada with +2 pierce. Even compared to regular espada, it only has +1 cut, the same pierce, and -2 speed. For polearms, compare it to any spear.

Stabs complement swings, which is what makes the feints so tricky. When the swings are that weak, that limits some of its adaptability since it has to rely on stabs so much.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Lannistark on June 15, 2014, 01:59:38 am
2h stab has been so nerfed in this mod, and STILL people cry about it. I get the feeling until stab isn't completely removed from 2h, people will still complain.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Krex on June 15, 2014, 11:27:40 am
Now...lets get to Realism for a second,
as far as I know,the purpose of the Estoc was to be a stabbing-weapon...
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Austrian on June 15, 2014, 11:59:20 am
Quote from: Namakan on June 15, 2014, 11:27:40 am
Now...lets get to Realism for a second,
as far as I know,the purpose of the Estoc was to be a stabbing-weapon...
Does crpg has any realism?
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Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Gurnisson on June 15, 2014, 12:04:10 pm
Quote from: San on June 15, 2014, 12:44:25 am
Stabs complement swings, which is what makes the feints so tricky. When the swings are that weak, that limits some of its adaptability since it has to rely on stabs so much.

Basically this.

I'd take a (War) Spear over an Estoc myself if you compare it to stab-oriented weapons.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Rico on June 15, 2014, 02:20:02 pm
The only thing I dislike about the Estoc is +2 stats compared to +3

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Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Rebelyell on June 15, 2014, 02:52:53 pm
Quote from: WarLord on June 15, 2014, 02:26:31 pm
In EU nobody uses Estoc, because it's simply the shittiest 2h sword in this mod. How can someone seriously complain about it?
teribiuru weapon
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Kalp on June 15, 2014, 05:30:58 pm
stats are  fine fuck off
it's sweet weapon if you have right build/armor weight
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Johammeth on June 15, 2014, 07:45:34 pm
The only solution is to change the Estoc's model from a sword to a gigantic syringe.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: marcus on June 15, 2014, 07:50:36 pm
Quote from: Johammeth on June 15, 2014, 07:45:34 pm
The only solution is to change the Estoc's stab sound to crying noises.

fixed
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Tigero on June 16, 2014, 10:32:40 am
Quote from: Chosen1 on June 14, 2014, 11:16:37 pm
I'm still confused why you added this weapon, and then based it on the most broken mechanic in warband.  I'm sick of getting killed by inter-dimensional lolstabs that should do no damage, but take half of my hp.

I propose that you add swing damage and decrease thrust damage.

No shut up, it's my class and i have crafted a new exellent agiwhoring character just for this noble weapon. The estoc can be overreached with a fucking dagger so gain some skills before making such a claim.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Thryn on June 16, 2014, 11:56:42 pm
When San sees a nerf thread

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Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: spiritus on June 20, 2014, 11:28:21 pm
lol i use the estoc on my stf and i do just fine with it 0: its not a bad weapon but it def isnt super strong since of the swings but but the wonky 2h stab animation plus 32 pierce is pretty amazing, maybe its just because of my normal build that i do well with it but but but for fuck sake it isnt underpowered!
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: San on June 20, 2014, 11:56:43 pm
It's a great weapon. Base stats are only -1 compared to the heavy bastard sword, but the small differences in length, weight, and stab-focus help offset that. I don't think I agree with those calling it terrible.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Apsod on June 21, 2014, 12:15:14 am
Quote from: San on June 20, 2014, 11:56:43 pm
It's a great weapon. Base stats are only -1 compared to the heavy bastard sword, but the small differences in length, weight, and stab-focus help offset that. I don't think I agree with those calling it terrible.
HBS ain't looking too great either atm. After the -1 speed to the Longsword type weapons and +1 speed to a lot of other 2hs the SoW has become the new "OP" 2H sword.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Kafein on June 21, 2014, 01:09:05 pm
Quote from: Apsod on June 21, 2014, 12:15:14 am
HBS ain't looking too great either atm. After the -1 speed to the Longsword type weapons and +1 speed to a lot of other 2hs the SoW has become the new "OP" 2H sword.

Just because the bastard swords lost 1 speed doesn't mean they "aint looking too great", they are still excellent weapons.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Apsod on June 22, 2014, 03:02:29 am
They lost 1 speed while all the other good swords gained 1 speed. 2 speed is quite a bit. They used to be the best weapons for dueling, good for siege and average for battle. Atm they are bad in all situations compared to SoW except for when fighting in very tight places.

But to be fair, SoW is OP compared to most 2h swords that can stab. Only swords that can match it is the Claymore and the GS, but even those falls a bit too short.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Kafein on June 22, 2014, 12:08:16 pm
Maybe the bastard swords are more in line with the rest of the 2h arsenal now, as they were way too powerful before. Saying they are bad just because they are not as good as whatever 2h you consider to be the best is stupid. They aren't bad just because they are not the best. Besides the SoW has one of the worst models in the game. It's large and shiny, easy to follow.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Thryn on June 22, 2014, 04:41:49 pm
Quote from: Kafein on June 22, 2014, 12:08:16 pm
Maybe the bastard swords are more in line with the rest of the 2h arsenal now, as they were way too powerful before. Saying they are bad just because they are not as good as whatever 2h you consider to be the best is stupid. They aren't bad just because they are not the best. Besides the SoW has one of the worst models in the game. It's large and shiny, easy to follow.

Ladies and gentlespergs, I present to you: Logic.

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Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Apsod on June 22, 2014, 06:44:40 pm
Quote from: Kafein on June 22, 2014, 12:08:16 pm
Saying they are bad just because they are not as good as whatever 2h you consider to be the best is stupid.
I agree, which is why I didn't say that they are bad in general, but instead that they are bad compared to the SoW.
Title: Re: Nerf estoc stab
Post by: Kafein on June 22, 2014, 11:46:03 pm
Quote from: Apsod on June 22, 2014, 06:44:40 pm
I agree, which is why I didn't say that they are bad in general, but instead that they are bad compared to the SoW.

Quote from: Apsod on June 21, 2014, 12:15:14 am
HBS ain't looking too great either atm.

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