The idea of rationality is absurd anyway. We are very advanced machines, nothing more.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
The idea of rationality is absurd anyway. We are very advanced machines, nothing more.
Would you say that a machine sometimes makes irrational decisions and sometimes makes rational decisions ?No.
Would you say that a machine sometimes makes irrational decisions and sometimes makes rational decisions ?
No.
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So, how can humans do that ?Drugs are dangerous, Kafein.
Drugs are dangerous, Kafein.
Whatever it is you're on Kafein, I would dearly like to sample it
You made a thread to discuss an article, and then someone tries to discuss and you insult them. wut
You made a thread to discuss an article, and then someone tries to discuss and you insult them. wutNow, now, better rein in those ASSumptions a little bit.
Human brain is quite a lot like a computer. There are plenty of artificial intelligence/machine learning algorithms, based on how the human mind works.You say "quite a lot", Tagora says "almost nothing like", yet you two aren't necessarily even disagreeing. Depends on how you define it. Certainly, some processes are computer-like, but over all, the similarities aren't that striking. Learning how the human brain works would definitely help with developing AI, though. Which isn't guaranteed to be a good thing.
I lost my post by accident. Basically: "rational elite" can't be proven to exist because (as per article citations) there is no way to quantify them. Also, Kafein was wrong about humans because the nothing he so aptly refers to is what's responsible for all the technology and progress we've made today. Thank our consciousness (& the metaphysical pondering thereafter) for that. Finally -- anatomically/psychologically, the human brain is almost nothing like a computer. Look dat shit up, yo.
You say "quite a lot", Tagora says "almost nothing like", yet you two aren't necessarily even disagreeing. Depends on how you define it. Certainly, some processes are computer-like, but over all, the similarities aren't that striking. Learning how the human brain works would definitely help with developing AI, though. Which isn't guaranteed to be a good thing.
Source?
We already know pretty much all we need to know about the brain to develop AI that does the same as human brains. Neural networks are already a thing in AI, and theoretically those are universal learners. We just lack the computing power.
The current algorithms are nowhere near advanced enough for that, regardless of computing power. It's all ongoing research, afaik.Yep. To even claim that we understood brains well enough to build a computer capable of the same thing would be to claim that we understand consciousness perfectly and thus can replicate it -- nope.
Source?
Yep. To even claim that we understood brains well enough to build a computer capable of the same thing would be to claim that we understand consciousness perfectly and thus can replicate it -- nope.
A neural network can approximate any function down to arbitrary precision :That isn't how it works.
http://scholar.google.be/scholar?q=Neural+net+universal+approximator&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=ZpyZU9WuD6G9ygPD2oGgAQ&ved=0CB4QgQMwAA
Take "human behavior" as the function you want and voilĂ . Anything that has a finite number of inputs and outputs can theoretically be learned by a computer.
We don't need to understand consciousness to replicate it.Yes, we do.
That isn't how it works.
Yes, we do.
Your thesis is wrong. Machines are entirely rational because the languages that operate them are literal and have precise meanings. Do you think Boolean algebra is irrational? People, on the other hand, are quite susceptible to irrationality and bias. The only time a program seems "irrational" to you is when the person who wrote it made an error.
Computer is digital machine. It can run algorithm or not run it at all (due to malfunction). But what it does will not be affected by cosmic rays.
Well you got me there. Cosmic rays are broad concept.
Wouldn't that be like hacking?