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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => EU (Official) => Topic started by: Bildur on June 03, 2014, 10:26:05 am

Title: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Bildur on June 03, 2014, 10:26:05 am
Dear Community, dear Admins,

A few months ago an ex clanmember of my old clan "Jomsborg_Vikings" who has now the name Eques_Jogelgogel robbed the clanbank. I tried to get in contact with him, but he didn't answer... I tried to do it on the regular way. It is better to speak with people i thought... But he never answered and now I write here a ban request. I'm really disappointed. Please check my incrimination in your logs. It would be correct, when an admin writes a message to this criminal ;). I want my money back or a long ban of Eques_Jogelgogels mainchar.

Yours faithfully,

Bildur
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Lennu on June 03, 2014, 04:44:16 pm
I thought that dick moves like these would get manually reverted by admins.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Latvian on June 03, 2014, 04:47:59 pm
how much did he steal if we may know?
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Lennu on June 03, 2014, 04:52:26 pm
And did he really steal anything? Or just take back his donations since he was going to leave the clan?
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Harald on June 03, 2014, 05:08:47 pm
We won't interfere in clan-internal matters.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Penitent on June 03, 2014, 07:08:21 pm
We won't interfere in clan-internal matters.

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Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Bildur on June 04, 2014, 05:48:01 am
He stole ~350'000 Gold. Harald: You don't interfere in clan-internal matters? Your argumentation is your opinion but i think it is a little bit funny, because we earned the gold ingame of the mod c-rpg. And this is in the workspace of the admins. Harald, imagine: You cannot donate 100$ for a cancer foundation and say after a week, that you need all the money of this foundation (~1'000'000 $) for your swimming pool in your garden. How i said, he stole all the money from all donators and our amount was ~350'000 Gold... So Harald, if you don't want to interfere in clan-internal matters, it's your choice. When you don't want to interfere in our matters, why are you writing here?
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Bildur on June 04, 2014, 05:50:43 am
So, I respect the job of the admins and i hope they look after this problem of their workspace...
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Krex on June 04, 2014, 06:32:20 am
Bildur,do you notice how stupid you are?
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Gribnir_Thorwaldson on June 04, 2014, 07:04:11 am
sorry you're so ridiculous Namakan.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Harald on June 04, 2014, 09:43:03 am
So Harald, if you don't want to interfere in clan-internal matters, it's your choice. When you don't want to interfere in our matters, why are you writing here?
Because game admins can't help you. Someone gave him permission to take gold from the bank. I don't know if he actually stole it, that is your side of the story.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Bildur on June 04, 2014, 11:29:49 am
Because game admins can't help you. Someone gave him permission to take gold from the bank. I don't know if he actually stole it, that is your side of the story.
Yes he was one of the founders. But it is not fair to all players if someone does that. It's for me a breach of faith and you would be also disappointed if someone steals your money.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Radament on June 06, 2014, 12:20:41 am
sorry to interefer but....if you gave him permission it's  only your fault man.
btw 350k ? wtf i was clan robbed on darkfall online for gold/thing worth months if not years of gaming and i gave 0 fucks.

if you were spending this time to grind money on rageball/dtv instead of whining here you could probably own 500k for sure now.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: sF_Guardian on June 09, 2014, 02:33:38 pm
I'd suggest trying to get in contact with his clan's leaders, maybe they are mature enough to try working out the issue in a civil way.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: woody on June 10, 2014, 02:56:30 pm
I "stole" 300k from Fenris bank as a leader.

This stolen money was used to buy clan banners. If he was a clan leader he may have done the same before leaving. not saying he did but worth checking if he did then theres no issue.
Title: Re: Clan-bank robbery
Post by: Nessaj on June 10, 2014, 04:50:50 pm
Because game admins can't help you. Someone gave him permission to take gold from the bank. I don't know if he actually stole it, that is your side of the story.

That's really the end of the discussion.

Don't give someone access you don't trust, full access to your banks etc isn't something that should be given lightly, only to those you trust.

There is of course no absolutes, if there's some straight forward evidence of wrong-doings then action would be taken, but that is true for maybe 0.01% out of 99.9% cases.

Yes he was one of the founders. But it is not fair to all players if someone does that. It's for me a breach of faith and you would be also disappointed if someone steals your money.

Yeah, it sucks, I'm sure we've all been there in some sort of capacity, except that those situations were in fully-fledged big company games, and they likewise (and unfortunately rightfully so) did nothing.

He broke your trust? I'm sure he did, or maybe he didn't? How would anyone know? It's your word versus his and there's no evidence game-wise that can support your claim, on the contrary actually.

This isn't a judicial case with lawyers, evidence exhibits and what not. We can't go in and investigate something like this, it would require chat logs, screenshots, etc, a whole huge ordeal that's a HUGE task that goes way beyond simply game administration which means no company or otherwise project etc would ever touch it, unless they're getting paid a salary of course but even then investigating something like this could be considered intrusive because it goes beyond the game (meta). Not to mention that each part of that sort of evidence could easily be tainted, e.g. fake chat logs, photoshopped screens and what not.

I'm baffled as to how people think that giving others full access to their resources is an administration issue on the game development/management end. Literally the only cases that's ever been resolved in regards to something like this (which only happens in MMOs mostly) is if a clan leader takes everything in a bank, e.g. items and gold, and then splits, that would seem suspicious and be possible but not certain to sanction, however given c-RPG only has gold accessible via clan banks that's an entirely different story.


Please be more careful in your future online endeavors.