cRPG

cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Joseph Porta on June 02, 2014, 12:59:03 am

Title: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 02, 2014, 12:59:03 am
Ok, today I (finally) got my crossbow alt to 31, aswell as my ninja alt.

Xbow:

16/24

2if
5ps
8ath
8wm

I have 1 spare point to spend, going for 18/24 6ps at level 33.

3 IF was my first, nd obvious, thought, but maybe anyones got something fun to suggest.

My ninja:

15/24

5if
5ps
8ath
8wm

I already chose to go for weapon master but i'm not sure what to do yet. As of now I have 149 2h wpf and +- 550 free wpf points, now either i'd go for 164 2h wpf nd 119 pole wpf or just stack the shit out of 2h for maximum spammyness.

But I do like the thought of having polearm wpf, as I often get bored after 1 or 2 rounds of playing the same class. And at 33 he will hve 6 riding so i will be able to 2h and lance cav..

Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Spoony on June 02, 2014, 01:42:42 am
I would comment - but I've been told my build sucks (honestly! by some random called Faerie... lol!) and I'm hated too for offering advice!

Sorry! :-)
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Rico on June 02, 2014, 03:05:37 am
Spoony, please don't... NOOOOOO!!
Quote
repeat after me:
I am as sweet and cute and funny and peculiar as any little ape or dolphin.
I will never forget that.
Even if nobody is making me feel precious, that’s exactly what I am.

@Joseph: If you are planning to use the Arbalest, you need ~185 wpf in xbow for good accuracy. Heavy xbow reaches max acc at ~170. I hope you put your wpf into the right thing. If you have only around 170, it is better to use Heavy Crossbow instead of Arbalest. Ironflesh would be the most obvious choice, but shield would also work. The Leather Covered Round shield is quite ok on +3, and if you like the style, go for it. If you have spare wpf, you can do 1 PD and some throwing wpf for daggers or knives. It is obviously just4fun, don't expect too much out of it - but you asked for alternatives ;)

For your ninja, it would be most ninja-ish to max out WPF of one category. Splitting it can work too, though. My prepatch xbow char had ~180 xbow skill, ~70 onehand and ~50 twohand, and the additional diversity of available weapons felt good, so sacrificing a tiny bit of damage and speed was worth it. But if you are one of the people who like changing their opinion a lot, it is probably best to go with the boring all-in solution, or you might regret it later.
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 02, 2014, 09:55:04 am
Hmmm... I currently have about 150 xbow wpf and my accuracy feels fine! Is 170 just the maxed out number or is it the point where accuracy starts? I did think about shield skill, I could have 18/24 (2if, 6ps, 2shield, 8ath, 8wm) on lvl 33, which is a nice touch to go and shield with a hunting xbow. I might do that, sounds might fun picking up a leather covered once in a while and go xbow shielder brid for a few rounds. Choices choices.

What exactly is the difference between 149 and 180 2h wpf? Is the spam ability increased alot?
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Rico on June 02, 2014, 03:41:58 pm
150 WPF means that your accuracy with Hunting Crossbow and Light Crossbow is at its maximum. The Crossbow's accuracy is nearly at its maximum, and Heavy Crossbow and Arbalest will gain much more precision if you invest more into your WPF. What feels fine to you depends obviously on the crossbow you pick, and on your play style. If you are skirmishing, you might not need more. If you are going to stay far away from the enemies you shoot, it is better to increase your WPF and go for Heavy Crossbow or Arbalest.

About the shield, all I could do is list you some choices. But the decision is up to you. Good luck to do the right thing, and whatever you pick, try not to regret it later.

If you use 149 WPF in twohanded, use the formula
Code: [Select]
raw damage before armor = 1.5029*(weapon damage)+3
If you use 180 WPF, use the formula
Code: [Select]
raw damage before armor = 1.568*(weapon damage)+3
The raw damage before armor is the damage a naked enemy would suffer when your swing has no speed bonus or malus. Since your PS is fixed at 5 and the WPF is either 149 or 180, I simplifed the general raw damage before armor formula to weapon damage as the only input variable. Keep in mind though that wearing heavy armor will decrease your raw damage before armor slightly.

The speed increase from 149 to 180 WPF is approximately 2.015%. Keep in mind that heavy armor will make your swings a bit slower.

Can I have a cookie now? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 02, 2014, 05:30:37 pm
I havent picked for my xbow yet, though getting 4 if instead of 2 at level 33 sounds kind of pointless playing with only 20 body armor and 15 head armor plus the shield skill opens a whole new range of possibilitys and fun.

Ill leave it for now though, cant make my decision!

Dude, you deserve a box of cookies for that! So wpf only increases base damage? It doesn't add to the speed whatsoever?
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Rico on June 02, 2014, 06:40:13 pm
Quote from: Joseph Porta on June 02, 2014, 05:30:37 pm
Dude, you deserve a box of cookies for that! So wpf only increases base damage? It doesn't add to the speed whatsoever?

 :mrgreen: -->

Quote
The speed increase from 149 to 180 WPF is approximately 2.015%

It increases both speed and damage :D
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 02, 2014, 07:07:38 pm
Quote from: Panuru on June 02, 2014, 06:40:13 pm
:mrgreen: -->

It increases both speed and damage :D

Im not sure how I missed that  :oops: 2% is quite nice though, might go for that.. Hmmm.. Contemplate life
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 03, 2014, 05:50:48 am
When I clicked the thread I was expecting some insane goofy 31 strength 33 agility build.  :P
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 03, 2014, 10:48:05 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on June 03, 2014, 05:50:48 am
When I clicked the thread I was expecting some insane goofy 31 strength 33 agility build.  :P

Wy would you think that Witchcraft?  :o I have an alt for that aswell though!

(click to show/hide)

But its still in the making :/

Or wait, actually I have two!

(click to show/hide)

Gotto respec it though as with the recent heavy horse changes I cant go 27/15 cav anymore so imma build it for 33 ->

Code: [Select]
Strength: 27
Agility: 18
Hit points: 62
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 9
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1


For lvl 30 itll be this

Code: [Select]
Strength: 24
Agility: 18
Hit points: 59
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 3
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Btw, if theres something i dont do its boring builds, i need diversion to not get bored!
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Macropus on June 03, 2014, 11:30:08 am
The first build is good.

The second one is good, but it's hard to develop on further lvls, it can only become better at lvl 34.
So, if you're aiming for lvl 34:
1) To get better at melee, get 18 str and 1 more PS. Split wpp between 2h and polearm ofc, it's fun and useful too.
(click to show/hide)
2) For cav, get 8 riding.
3) For crazy 1h-2h shielder build with longsword or morningstar, get the free weapon points into 1h and get 8 shield.
Title: Re: 31/33 builds more help needed!
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 03, 2014, 11:50:10 am
Quote from: Macropus on June 03, 2014, 11:30:08 am
The first build is good.

The second one is good, but it's hard to develop on further lvls, it can only become better at lvl 34.
So, if you're aiming for lvl 34:
1) To get better at melee, get 18 str and 1 more PS. Split wpp between 2h and polearm ofc, it's fun and useful too.
(click to show/hide)
2) For cav, get 8 riding.
3) For crazy 1h-2h shielder build with longsword or morningstar, get the free weapon points into 1h and get 8 shield.

34 is farrr too high for me! I would be mindblown if id get to 33 tbh. And I decided on the 2h wpf, as I already have one or two alts who do 2h/pole 1h/pole builds, so this one will be a full blown katana spam build. :) as for 33, ill get 6 riding on my ninja, for some quick horse action.