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Title: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Utrakil on May 27, 2014, 07:46:29 pm
I am 21Str 18Ath 1h/shield now. And I am not shure which path to go if I keep levelling this charakter.
So what do you guys think? is is better to get 1 PS more (including 3 STR and 3 HP) or to get 7 IF (14 HP)?

Please give advise and let your wisdome shine.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Patoson on May 27, 2014, 07:51:24 pm
Well, by boosting IF you get +14 hp, but, by getting another PS point, you can also get +2 IF (+4 hp) (+7 hp total counting the hp from STR).

I say that the additional PS for just 7 hp less is worth it, but that's just me.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Macropus on May 27, 2014, 08:03:31 pm
Well, by boosting IF you get +14 hp, but, by getting another PS point, you can also get +2 IF (+4 hp) (+7 hp total counting the hp from STR).

I say that the additional PS for just 7 hp less is worth it, but that's just me.
I don't get your calculations. It's 7 IF or 3 str + 1 PS, where did you get another 2 IF points from?

Anyway, it's up to your personal preferences, both ways are viable.
Why not go for lvl 34-35 and get both by the way?
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Patoson on May 27, 2014, 08:34:20 pm
I suppose he means staying 21/18 and boost IF, or keep levelling up and after 3 levels he gets another PS, and, for the first two levels, he can raise IF.

For short term, getting +3 IF from one level to another is nice, but, if you are patient and get to 24/18, I think it's worth it. Besides, training lessons are expensive.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Macropus on May 27, 2014, 08:46:32 pm
I suppose he means staying 21/18 and boost IF, or keep levelling up and after 3 levels he gets another PS, and, for the first two levels, he can raise IF.
Yeah, but I don't see how these spare 2 skillpoints are an argument for going 24-18 instead of 21-18.
They can be used in both cases, if not for Iron Flesh, then for any other skill.
7 skillpoints are equal to 3 stats + 1 skillpoint, you should only consider these numbers when deciding to convert or not convert.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Utrakil on May 27, 2014, 08:58:42 pm
I suppose he means staying 21/18 and boost IF, or keep levelling up and after 3 levels he gets another PS, and, for the first two levels, he can raise IF.

For short term, getting +3 IF from one level to another is nice, but, if you are patient and get to 24/18, I think it's worth it. Besides, training lessons are expensive.
I meant levelling 2 more levels (lvl31 atm). now i have 1 point left. so after 2 more levels I could either have 7 IF (14HP) or 3 Str + 1 PS (3HP )more.

So it really is the question wether 11 HP (14-3) or 1PS is the better choice.


Why not go for lvl 34-35 and get both by the way?
Because that is such a long way and I don't want to make any plans that go too far to the future.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: HarunYahya on May 27, 2014, 11:43:40 pm
7 IF.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 28, 2014, 12:50:26 am
My character is 24/21 with no ironflesh and I do not regret this choice. 24 strength alone gives you a decent pool of hit points, and another level of powerstrike is better than any amount of IF in my opinion. Whether you are aggressive and spammy or defensive and wait for that one perfect attack, higher PS will benefit you.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Tojo on May 28, 2014, 02:55:49 pm
0 iron flesh is definitely the way to go. However, since you have already spent your points, you should get more power strike. You are also a shielder which makes having iron flesh less practical since you block with shield and not manually.



Iron flesh can be substituted for better armor and once you have masterwork armor you will never need IF again.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Macropus on May 28, 2014, 07:51:08 pm
You are also a shielder which makes having iron flesh less practical since you block with shield and not manually.
IF is equally useful for all classes, except that it's a little more useful for agi builds than for any others, since it increases your hp for a higher percentage when you have low base hp. So it doesn't really matter if you're shielder or not.

Iron flesh can be substituted for better armor and once you have masterwork armor you will never need IF again.
Well, no. Iron Flesh stays just as useful when you loom your armour.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Tojo on May 28, 2014, 08:01:25 pm
Hmm well  If you are a fucking pro at crpg like me you don't need iron flesh cuz you know how to block good and take 0 dmg anyway.

Tldr: L 2 manual block noob

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Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Macropus on May 28, 2014, 08:14:54 pm
Hmm well  If you are a fucking pro at crpg like me you don't need iron flesh cuz you know how to block good and take 0 dmg anyway.

Tldr: L 2 manual block noob
Well the point is - Iron Flesh would increase your surviveability by the same percentage as for any noob, because it increases your HP.
Looks at it this way: if you're pro and rarely ever take hits, additional 10 HP would prolong your life for a whole lot of time, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Tojo on May 28, 2014, 11:50:00 pm
Well the point is - Iron Flesh would increase your surviveability by the same percentage as for any noob, because it increases your HP.
Looks at it this way: if you're pro and rarely ever take hits, additional 10 HP would prolong your life for a whole lot of time, wouldn't it?

Right and having more armor would have the same effect.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Gurnisson on May 28, 2014, 11:55:03 pm
Right and having more armor would have the same effect.

and slow you down.

Also, high armour and high hp walks hand in hand. They work best together.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Falka on May 30, 2014, 05:49:15 pm
0 iron flesh is definitely the way to go

Dead people deal no damage.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Tojo on May 31, 2014, 12:58:43 am
well I guess NA plays more balls to the wall, most of the top players in our servers have 0 IF builds.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: oreshy on May 31, 2014, 01:31:14 am
..neither , 8 riding.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Phew on May 31, 2014, 10:39:51 pm
Any time you would consider 7IF, just add 3 agility and an extra athletics instead, then wear 7kg heavier armor. You will be tougher with +7 armor than you would be with +14 HP. I only use IF for "leftover" points; I would have to attain lvl 36 to get up to 7IF, which won't happen before the mod dies.

More power strike is always a good option as well, moreso to limit glances than the extra damage. A glance often means death.
Title: Re: 7 IF or 3str+1PS ?
Post by: Berserkadin on June 01, 2014, 07:08:25 am
If you plan on using heavier armours, I would suggest taking the IF.