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Title: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 19, 2014, 04:09:53 pm
I just retired again last night, and I've decided to go 1h. I played 21/15 on my STF, and a KHS + BSS felt too easymode for me. I think I want to go 1h without a shield, and I'm looking for a good build. If you feel I need the shield (e.g. against archers), go ahead and include points on the build. Weapon suggestions are also helpful :D

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Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 19, 2014, 05:17:44 pm
No man will be your master.

Except those damn HA's. Fuck those guys.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Algarn on May 19, 2014, 05:19:47 pm
If you want to play like a beast, take 21/15 with military hammer and everything maxed out at level 30 (IF included, makes 70 hp at 30, which is huge hp pool for that level). Take every shield but cavalry ones or bucklers and everything will be ok.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Johammeth on May 19, 2014, 05:29:43 pm
Strength + spiked club.

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By the time they figure out that you aren't a peasant and that your weapon is actually a 4d pierce murderstick, it's too late.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 19, 2014, 05:44:37 pm
Strength + spiked club.

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By the time they figure out that you aren't a peasant and that your weapon is actually a 4d pierce murderstick, it's too late.

I'll also bring a torch with me, just to try and scare them away with my supreme peasant fire dance.

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Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Joseph Porta on May 19, 2014, 06:26:12 pm
24/15 is imo the best swashbuckler build you can roll with at lvl 30.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 20, 2014, 08:44:22 am
21-18, or 24-18 at higher levels. I'm doing 30-15 at level 33/34 and it's fun, challenging, and not unviable. However, you WILL get mercilessly s-key'd and weaponstunned by any and every melee. It sucks. I think the extra point in ath can really do a world of good.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Admiral Ballsack on May 20, 2014, 09:12:44 am
18-21 master race shield build
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 20, 2014, 05:46:42 pm
24/15 is a good 1H build with or without shield. I did a level 33 build before as 18/24 shielder and loved it. 8 shield skill + buckler + 8 athletics makes you crazy fast. You can drop the buckler and still do very well. Might be possible to do 18/24 at a lower level if you don't get shield skill.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 20, 2014, 06:54:02 pm
That's beast! What stats?

I do pretty well with 27/12, always positive K/D and i'm not a great player. But then again i'm used to 0 athletics so 4 athletics is fine for me, i feel more mobile than i'm used to. I do get mobbed though if i stray from allies against more than 2 enemies. Nothing i have is loomed also, i imagine the extra 10 body armour, 5 head and +3 damage +1 speed would be drastically better for a 1hand swashbuckler build.

I'll have 10 PS, 5 weapon master, 5 athletics, and 1 shield. Maybe 1 IF, haven't mathed it out.

It's not worth it to skip all the IF and grab 1 extra PS, but I don't care. I just want to be able to say "lol 10 PS" whenever someone is like wtf how u do so much dmg?

I get s-keyed a shit-ton so in battle my build isn't the best, but in NA_3 it is very effective. Only a select few players give me consistent trouble in duel. Like Kaoklai or Firebus.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 20, 2014, 07:13:47 pm
I think I'll 27/12 it. If you put up a trade for rocks for 15k Heskey, I'll send the gold over to you when I can. :D
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 20, 2014, 08:29:16 pm
gayyyy, now I have to find someone to give 15k to.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 20, 2014, 09:12:49 pm
gayyyy, now I have to find someone to give 15k to.

i heard someone was giving away free shekels?

oy vey!
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 20, 2014, 09:23:31 pm
i heard someone was giving away free shekels?

oy vey!

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Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 21, 2014, 04:10:13 pm
I'll look for a trade for 15k from you, Sandersswag, but first I need to know... What sword shall I use?

Sorry Heskey, I think I'll go for 24/15 (no shield swag). Now, all I need to know is your recommended swords. :D

I'll try to post for #freeHeskey:

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24/15?
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Spathion master swashbuckler
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Kafein on May 21, 2014, 07:32:01 pm
Things to pay attention to if you go 1h no shield :

You better not expect to do a lot of damage even with a crazy strength build.

If you still want shield skill, 3 or 4 is fine. 2 doesn't let you use any good shield. 5 and up is for turtles and bads, since it virtually only increases durability. You shouldn't have to care about durability at all if you plan to go 1h no shield anyway. In my opinion you should not spend skill points on stuff you won't use all the time if you want a best of breed build.

Swords are generally the best choice for a 1h no shield, especially if you go str. You trade a shield for better footwork and skill points, so you'll probably have more punch than the average shielder. However you need to block manually hence it's critical to keep your blocking disadvantage at a minimum. Therefore you need a long and a fast weapon.

Be wary of blockstun, that shit will get you killed. Weapons around 1 weight are very annoying to use due to this. Most medium sized swords are around 1.5 which means frequent stuns. 2 and up is mostly fine, but you'll only find axes, maces and picks there.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 21, 2014, 10:42:17 pm
I'll look for a trade for 15k from you, Sandersswag, but first I need to know... What sword shall I use?

Sorry Heskey, I think I'll go for 24/15 (no shield swag). Now, all I need to know is your recommended swords. :D

I'll try to post for #freeHeskey:

The short nordic war sword is great at MW, 103 speed and respectable damage, but at 81 length I find myself s-keyed to shit a lot. Of course, my other weapons are a +3 warhammer and +3 steel pick. I don't tend to use long weapons.

The very best sword for a swashbuckler is the italian, I have found. A warhammer is also very good because it doesn't get weapon-stunned at 3 weight. Every sword is gonna get weapon-stunned to shit.

You have any idea how frustrating it is to get weapon-stunned on every hit by bigsandwich using a +3 STAFF? Like holy fuck the master of speedy spam that is better than me anyway is weaponstunning me on every hit.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 22, 2014, 02:34:06 pm
The short nordic war sword is great at MW, 103 speed and respectable damage, but at 81 length I find myself s-keyed to shit a lot. Of course, my other weapons are a +3 warhammer and +3 steel pick. I don't tend to use long weapons.

The very best sword for a swashbuckler is the italian, I have found. A warhammer is also very good because it doesn't get weapon-stunned at 3 weight. Every sword is gonna get weapon-stunned to shit.

You have any idea how frustrating it is to get weapon-stunned on every hit by bigsandwich using a +3 STAFF? Like holy fuck the master of speedy spam that is better than me anyway is weaponstunning me on every hit.

http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/nerf-sandwich/
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Phew on May 23, 2014, 07:29:43 pm
always positive K/D

OT, but I see a lot of people using this phrase, and it doesn't mean what they think it means. A "positive" K/D just means that you get more kills than teamkills, which isn't necessarily something to be proud of with any build.

I think you (and others) mean "K/D>1", which is actually easier to type, so I'm not sure why people always go through the trouble to type "positive" when it's both wrong and takes longer to type.

If you actually meant "positive K/D", I apologize for correcting you and take pity on both you and your teammates.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Macropus on May 23, 2014, 09:50:09 pm
OT, but I see a lot of people using this phrase, and it doesn't mean what they think it means. A "positive" K/D just means that you get more kills than teamkills, which isn't necessarily something to be proud of with any build.

I think you (and others) mean "K/D>1", which is actually easier to type, so I'm not sure why people always go through the trouble to type "positive" when it's both wrong and takes longer to type.

If you actually meant "positive K/D", I apologize for correcting you and take pity on both you and your teammates.
dat post
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Falka on May 24, 2014, 10:12:56 am
OT, but I see a lot of people using this phrase, and it doesn't mean what they think it means. A "positive" K/D just means that you get more kills than teamkills, which isn't necessarily something to be proud of with any build.

Well, you  can not have negative kdr cause teamkills aren't registered by the website. So everyone have positive KD in this sense.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Konrax on May 24, 2014, 02:24:31 pm
Things to pay attention to if you go 1h no shield :

You better not expect to do a lot of damage even with a crazy strength build.

If you still want shield skill, 3 or 4 is fine. 2 doesn't let you use any good shield. 5 and up is for turtles and bads, since it virtually only increases durability. You shouldn't have to care about durability at all if you plan to go 1h no shield anyway. In my opinion you should not spend skill points on stuff you won't use all the time if you want a best of breed build.

Swords are generally the best choice for a 1h no shield, especially if you go str. You trade a shield for better footwork and skill points, so you'll probably have more punch than the average shielder. However you need to block manually hence it's critical to keep your blocking disadvantage at a minimum. Therefore you need a long and a fast weapon.

Be wary of blockstun, that shit will get you killed. Weapons around 1 weight are very annoying to use due to this. Most medium sized swords are around 1.5 which means frequent stuns. 2 and up is mostly fine, but you'll only find axes, maces and picks there.

I run 18/24, I also have 7 shield skill because I use the heavy round shield.

Without 7 shield skill that shield is way too slow for 1v1 fights against any decently fast build.

Each point of shield above the requirement will speed up a shields reaction speed, shields that are 100 speed usually cap at around +2.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Rico on May 24, 2014, 04:13:39 pm
I would not recommend using the Italian Sword, Arming Sword, Knightly Arming Sword, Long Arming Sword and the like. These weapons are okay at everything: Speed, length, cut, pierce. But sadly, they aren't outstandingly good at anything. ~25p is enough so it does not bounce, but the damage is far from threatening compared to Espada, Scottish, Side Sword, Crusader Sword, Steel Pick, Military Pick etc. With ~100 wpf and 5 PS, my swings with the Italian-Sword-family weapons bounce on armors like Heavy Kuyak and even heavy helmets on a regular basis, and it's not because I suck at aiming them. I heard others complaining about bouncing with 7 PS instead of 5 and the same wpf, so I wouldn't call these weapons reliable against anything but light armor.

Either go for something with a more devastating stab (even the Spathion is a valid choice for that, even though it does not look like a stabbing weapon), or aim for higher cut like Arabian Cavalry Sword, Nordic Champion's Sword or Grosses Messer. Or you abstain from the stylish cut weapons completely and go for blunt (Warhammer, Iberian Mace, Spathovaklion) or pierce (Steel Pick, Military Pick, Military Sickle).

I am not saying that weapons of the Italian-Sword-family are bad, but given the competition of other choices, I'd say there is better stuff around. When your character is OP because it is super-high level and it has a dedicated build, you might be able to do well with any weapon, including these swords. But then again, you can maximize combat efficiency by going for other weapons with more specialized or generally better stats.

Edit: When I described my experiences with bouncing from heavier armor, I forgot to mention I used MW versions of these weapons, not the +0 swords.
Title: Re: 1h build, need suggestions.
Post by: Thryn on May 24, 2014, 08:18:01 pm
I feel you Panuru, I'm going for the Nord Champion's