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Title: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 07:02:00 pm: Why? Because with the introduction of rolls and the decreased chance for knockdowns, blunt weapons have indirectly taken a hit in their damage and lethality.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Rico on May 09, 2014, 07:08:10 pm: Onehanders are mostly using faster sideswing spam weapons like Niuweidao, stab swords and steel pick/military pick atm. Except for the Warhammer maybe, I think blunt onehanders could get 1b more. The secondary mode of the Bec seems pretty strong as it is, however. No idea about blunt twohanders though.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 08:22:02 pm: Quote from: anotherGhost on May 09, 2014, 08:10:27 pm
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Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Teeth on May 09, 2014, 08:27:33 pm: Thank fuck I can roll away now from your three hits for one Goedendag bullshit.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 08:30:17 pm: Quote from: Teeth on May 09, 2014, 08:27:33 pm
Thank fuck I can roll away now from your three hits for one Goedendag bullshit.

That's EXACTLY why I want it to have that one more point in damage
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Gurnisson on May 09, 2014, 08:34:20 pm: Goedendag was just insanely op for its price before. At least with knockdown being tweaked, it's not as strong.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 08:40:52 pm: And how does that change that virtually ALL the blunt weapons in the game have become less attractive with those 2 changes? I think giving them 1 point consolation damage would be an ok trade-off.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Elio on May 09, 2014, 08:45:18 pm: visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Damage / Weight: 12.4
Speed rating / Length: 1.492

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Damage / Weight: 5.375
Speed rating / Length: 1.191

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Damage / Weight: 5.286
Speed rating / Length: 0.616

A buff of course, but for Long Maul first, because injustice!
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Teeth on May 09, 2014, 08:49:12 pm: I do not understand how you envision divisions of weight and damage and speed and length explain the need for a buff without any clarification.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: San on May 09, 2014, 08:53:11 pm: I believe knockdown is higher than what it was originally as long as you hit the head or legs.

There are many blunt weapons that I don't think should get +1. This includes those with 95+ speed, 33+ blunt (and most 1hs). This leaves some of the mid-range to long clubs/maces.

@Elio

randomly dividing numbers isn't going to do much. Even multiplying is probably a better estimation, but still says nothing.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Elio on May 09, 2014, 08:55:42 pm: Quote from: Teeth on May 09, 2014, 08:49:12 pm
I do not understand how you envision divisions of weight and damage and speed and length explain the need for a buff without any clarification.
Well for me, blunt damage is directly affected by the weight of the weapon.

So the ratio damage/weight seam appropriate for blunt weapons.

And about the speed rating, according to the blunt weapons balance, it's directly affected by the length, not by weight nor his aerodynamic shape.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 08:59:13 pm: Quote from: San on May 09, 2014, 08:53:11 pm
I believe knockdown is higher than what it was originally as long as you hit the head or legs.

Oh really? Can you back that up with something (I'm legitametly interested)?
Still leaves blunt weapons with an overall decrease in their attractiveness due to people rolling away from what before would have been an additional hit, though.

Quote from: Elio on May 09, 2014, 08:55:42 pm
Well for me, blunt damage is directly affected by the weight of the weapon.

But it's not for the game engine lol
Unless of course, knockdown is the word you're looking for.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Gurnisson on May 09, 2014, 09:12:45 pm: Problem is, looking at 1h balance specifically, that +1 to all blunt weapons would definitely make picks too weak, and buffing both picks and maces might make short swords too weak, and buffing them might make medium length swords too weak etc.
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: Tore on May 09, 2014, 09:16:06 pm: buff cav
Title: Re: Global +1 damage for all blunt weapons
Post by: San on May 09, 2014, 09:24:03 pm: Quote from: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 08:59:13 pm
Oh really? Can you back that up with something (I'm legitametly interested)?
Still leaves blunt weapons with an overall decrease in their attractiveness due to people rolling away from what before would have been an additional hit, though.

The rolling part is true. I think the input for roll should start and end earlier, since it feels like you have to wait before you're allowed to input the roll. It should be tougher to roll if you're taken by surprise.

As for knockdown %, it's around double. 0.07 = 7%, etc. 2h/polearms should probably aim for the legs and 1h should aim for the head.

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