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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Soldier_of_God on May 02, 2014, 09:37:05 pm

Title: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 02, 2014, 09:37:05 pm
So, on paper, which is the best? clearly pierce or blunt, right? but as we all know, say from CS:S (or GO if you're cool), snipers and ak's have the best damage. why by something else? thats what this thread is about.

My opinion:
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Do tell why you voted the way you did if you'd like.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: bavvoz on May 02, 2014, 09:55:34 pm
Try for example a bec de corbin :)
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Adamar on May 02, 2014, 10:27:55 pm
Damn it I thought you were talking about the effect, not the weapons themselves.

Swords are unrealistically op yeh.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Teeth on May 02, 2014, 10:34:26 pm
Blunt is technically the best, deals slightly higher damage than pierce up to 80 raw damage, a value which I guesstimate to be higher than what an average attack does. I am a huge blunt/pierce whore, with average armour values being like 60 in EU, 30b/p trumps 40c on average. When taking into account the kind of weapons that are usually cut/blunt/pierce my favourites are pierce stab weapons or cut four directionals, simply because these get the most length.

Also you are wrong about thrusts not maximizing damage. Speed bonus carries over best to thrust attacks and you can pull of the sickest one shots with a 27p Pike because of speed bonuses. 33p Awlpike feels a lot more damaging than a 34p Bec.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Gurnisson on May 02, 2014, 10:39:26 pm
Cut. Generally better weapons overall.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Moncho on May 02, 2014, 11:43:17 pm
While cut weapons have in general better stats overall, knockdown gives blunt an edge and gets my vote.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Johammeth on May 03, 2014, 12:17:39 am
The right tool for the right job.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 03, 2014, 04:26:48 am
Quote from: Teeth on May 02, 2014, 10:34:26 pm
Blunt is technically the best, deals slightly higher damage than pierce up to 80 raw damage, a value which I guesstimate to be higher than what an average attack does. I am a huge blunt/pierce whore, with average armour values being like 60 in EU, 30b/p trumps 40c on average. When taking into account the kind of weapons that are usually cut/blunt/pierce my favourites are pierce stab weapons or cut four directionals, simply because these get the most length.

Also you are wrong about thrusts not maximizing damage. Speed bonus carries over best to thrust attacks and you can pull of the sickest one shots with a 27p Pike because of speed bonuses. 33p Awlpike feels a lot more damaging than a 34p Bec.

what i meant is its much harder to get the sweet spot on stabs. I use stabs to great effect with my MW spathion, and its great, but not often in dueling combat.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Uumdi on May 03, 2014, 04:58:23 am
Quote from: Johammeth on May 03, 2014, 12:17:39 am
The right tool for the right job.

For sure.  Too many variables to vote one as the best.  1h sword thrusts can't be compared to long polearms and their 2h counterparts.  Blunt weapons really aren't that slow; especially if you include side swings from staves, spears, and hafted maces.  Weapon length is usually their drawback.

With the way armor soak values are, you can cut through plate even with a 1h slash, therefore everyone's able to maximize on a balanced weapon.  Personally I like the pierce on support polearms - when they're caught off guard its over in 2-3 hits, regardless of armor or heirloom level.  Playing 1h you can get away with high speed / high damage cut weapons, trading speed for length or thrust for swing as you see fit; personally I liked high swing on the Niuweidao and the Nordic Champion / Arabian Cav.  Its possible to kill someone in milanese with an agi build and a wakizashi - but if there's 3+ of them, better off cheaping them out with high pierce and a teammate to interrupt their blocks.

In the end its about what's a fun and effective play style for you.  As much as I have a boner for support polearms, I can't stand pikes.  I can't stand the shorter balanced spears like the warspear, but other people do wonders with their speed and versatility - I'd rather swing a heavy cut 2hander like a Claymore or Dadao if I were going to swing at 120 length, but even then 2h stab is one of the best attack directions in the game.  My only loomed 1 hander is the goofy iron mace, solely because it looks like an onion.  The way armor works in this game, you can get away with anything, it's more about the rest of your team and how much room you have to maneuver.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Osakasa on May 04, 2014, 07:20:13 pm
Pierce
You can watch as steel pick shielderbot comes and melts away your HP with few hits regardless you are wearing light or heavy armour. Plus it doesn't really matter whether he has PS4 or PS8, both are deadly as hell. Same goes also for morningball, few hits and you have one fresh kill.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Algarn on May 04, 2014, 08:53:07 pm
Blunt and pierce weapons, best weapons. Piercing weapons tend to have a lot of damage, short range, high speed, whereas blunt ones got knockdown, less damages, better range, and slower speed. But some weapons like Spokatospathion or the military hammer got good reach, and a decent speed when it's loomed. For me, blunt is superior for the knockdown perk, that always get you a kill more or less free. Plus the graphic about damage reduction shows the best kind of damage is blunt.

Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Thryn on May 05, 2014, 05:01:30 pm
In the ghetto:

You can smoke blunts.
You can get cut.

But after you go to prison, nobody wants to get "pierced".
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Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Sniger on May 05, 2014, 06:01:30 pm
do like the clones...

• just enough str to use, rest goes to agi
• max ps
• max shield
• max wpf
• feel the epeen erection

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Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Templar_Steevee on May 06, 2014, 06:17:33 pm
pierce have very long reach, you need to take bodkin arrows  :twisted:
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: HarunYahya on May 08, 2014, 09:57:21 am
45+ cut damage. Lots of variety,fun and that awkward boner when you onehit people (Especially with Mighty Persian Battle Axe's 52c)
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Thryn on May 08, 2014, 02:54:18 pm
Quote from: HarunYahya on May 08, 2014, 09:57:21 am
45+ cut damage. Lots of variety,fun and that awkward boner when you onehit people (Especially with Mighty Persian Battle Axe's 52c)

I saw some guy with an axe a few days ago run through a pack of enemies upswinging. He killed like 5 and the rest ran off; he came out unscathed.

I laughed my ass off b/c it looked like pacman went in there and ate some nerds
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 19, 2014, 07:59:54 am
Yeah cut is pretty beastly, except against plate people.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 20, 2014, 05:25:20 pm
Cut, because better weapons.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: DumpsterNerd on May 31, 2014, 05:38:23 am
I voted for pierce because it's feels like it's the most consistently lethal damage type.  My favorite weapons are the multi-damage type weapons though:

I really dig the 1h axes that do cut/pierce and the military hammer with blunt/pierce.
Weapons that have stab pierce and swing blunt/cut (most swords/spears)
In general I use pierce to open tincans, blunt weapons just don't feel versatile enough.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 31, 2014, 06:27:31 am
I'll take any weapon since I run absurdly high PS builds with no IF. 33 cut seems pretty shitty, right? With 9, soon to be 10 PS and 103 speed coming at your face, nah. It'll kill any platemy old friend in 3-4 hits if I get 'em good.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Ronin on May 31, 2014, 02:05:03 pm
Why choose one type when you can have both of them? Use swords. Slash and pierce as you see fit.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: 722_ on May 31, 2014, 03:22:46 pm
Quote from: Ronin on May 31, 2014, 02:05:03 pm
Why choose one type when you can have both of them? Use swords. Slash and pierce as you see fit.

or use a poleaxe and get all three
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 31, 2014, 04:10:27 pm
Not sure what all this cut, pirce blunt stuff is but Abdulla hits things and they die, that is all I know.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 05, 2014, 08:55:41 am
I am a fan of weapons that have cut swings but a very strong pierce stab. Stab-oriented 1H, spears, poleaxes. Blunt weapons are a lot of fun because knockdowns give you a cheap win 1v1 and cause chaos in team fights. The loss of speed and reach keeps them from being my favorite though.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Thryn on June 05, 2014, 03:45:15 pm
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on May 31, 2014, 06:27:31 am
I'm a platemy old friend

*cough* *cough*
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Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: the real god emperor on June 05, 2014, 04:02:51 pm
Pierce is my favourite, because Morningstar, bitches.

No seriously, pierce is good because if you get cut (except abdulla great o mighty) your hits will only tickle tincans , then they will itch you. Or If you get a blunt weapon, a ninja(a skilled one) will come and kill you before you can even swing,and tell you what you wont knockdown anyone after the latest patch, so If you go with pierce, you will have enough damage to open tincans, and significant speed against fast guys, also pierce glances less than the other two , from what I see.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: Penitent on June 05, 2014, 04:21:33 pm
I like blunt.  Not because it's the most deadly, and not because of knockdown (it's too rare to make a difference most times).

I just like the thunk.  I love the sound of blunt-on-head trauma.
Title: Re: Cut, Blunt, and Pierce; which is better in game, not just on paper?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 06, 2014, 06:26:01 am
Quote from: Penitent on June 05, 2014, 04:21:33 pm
I like blunt.  Not because it's the most deadly, and not because of knockdown (it's too rare to make a difference most times).

I just like the thunk.  I love the sound of blunt-on-head trauma.

My favorite is the crushthrough sound. Thunk-thunk-thunk-thunk-thunk-thunk.