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Title: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Life on April 30, 2014, 07:06:07 pm
My previous thread (http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/change-duel-map/) received lots of support (in the form of +'s).
So here is the poll to show the devs what we want.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Warborn304 on April 30, 2014, 07:13:09 pm
I voted to rotate the two.

While they are at it they should get rid of NA rageball and reinstate na community.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: HarunYahya on April 30, 2014, 07:22:07 pm
No because Duel server is same as Strategus server when there is a battle, 30-40 players join EU3 to duel till Strat battle starts. Arena is too small to support it in my opinion.
Maybe a larger arena map ?
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 30, 2014, 08:03:28 pm
Damn it i want arena back
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: San on April 30, 2014, 08:28:15 pm
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No, Keep the ruins map.                   2 (8.3%)

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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Herezy92 on April 30, 2014, 08:30:58 pm
Good idea, you have my vote.

+1 for arena
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Moncho on April 30, 2014, 08:33:32 pm
I voted no because arena is flat with props, whereas Ruins is much larger (for when people join before strat battles), and contains in addition to flat areas and areas with props like ruins, also slopes and other more varied terrain that is sometimes fun and interesting to fight on. Most duels happen in the flat area, but having the option to go to those other areas is very good imo. It also allows for cav and ranged duels, which arena is too small and not open enough for.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Testicleez on April 30, 2014, 08:34:45 pm
Can't practice with catapults as efficiently on Arena :c
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: the real god emperor on April 30, 2014, 08:37:02 pm
Can't imagine when people build siege towers,catapults etc in arena.Perhaps will work if a new larger arena map is made.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Life on May 01, 2014, 03:10:34 am
a rotation between the two maps seems to satisfy everyone
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 01, 2014, 03:17:28 am
If you go through the list of maps, I'll bet that there's a few others that would work for duel. Probably only a few though. I really like the idea of having some variety in the duel server.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Snufalufagus on May 01, 2014, 03:55:04 am
I like the arena idea less of a walk to duel :-) Good idea life!
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Alaire on May 01, 2014, 04:00:49 am
Or, could there be a constant option for poll for specifically either Arena or Ruins depending who is on? Edit* or whatever maps are wanted.
(so that siege practice can continue whenever needed/few players can do arena)

And the Default would be whichever wins the poll?

Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 01, 2014, 04:06:22 am
change back to arena?
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Taser on May 01, 2014, 07:31:27 am
I just want arena in the battle rotation..
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thryn on May 01, 2014, 03:39:16 pm
Howdodis

1) Make a flat area map
2) Put some props n shit (ruins) on one side for people to screw around (practice cattlepaults)
3) Make the other side purfuct for dools (maybe some dooling squares so that we has set areas to fights in)
4) No rain, fog, night, etc. Purfuct weather only
5) get dat dev epeen for doing something right

ez

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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Tydeus on May 01, 2014, 03:44:44 pm
Just need a larger arena map. Shouldn't be too hard, maybe one of the scene editors can make another with a diameter 2x the size of the current one.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Teeth on May 01, 2014, 03:53:13 pm
All the duel server needs is flat space to duel. I do not see the practical difference between Arena and Ruins, except that Ruins is large enough to allow cav duels and catapult practice. The only issue I have with Ruins as a duelling map is that the spawn points derp hard occasionally, especially when there are very few people on the server. I realize now that I could adjust this easily and edit the spawn points to form a more central ring or something so you never spawn too far away from the center.

4) No rain, fog, night, etc. Purfuct weather only
Weather effects are decided server wide and have nothing to do with the map itself, which is why you have a little weather indicator on your character page. Map only decides which form the weather takes, rain -> snow, fog -> agent orange.

Just need a larger arena map. Shouldn't be too hard, maybe one of the scene editors can make another with a diameter 2x the size of the current one.
There is no shortcut for enlarging maps, would require dragging and enlarging all the items or adding more items, would be more work than making one from scratch. Still leaves the question why. Does having empty spectator benches make duelling more epic?
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thryn on May 01, 2014, 04:00:46 pm
Weather effects are decided server wide and have nothing to do with the map itself

I understand this, I was just hoping that *if* you create a map from scratch, you can also rid the duel server of the plague that is weather.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 01, 2014, 04:04:48 pm
People want a larger map to practice siege, but for the rest of the time Ruins is too big really, people spawn too far away.

The best compromise would be a map like ruins where the spawn are all just set much closer. So duelers can duel and not have to run across the map, but siege practice can still happen elsewhere.

This could work for ruins or if they had an extended arena with an *outside* for siege and strat but everyone spawned inside still for duels.

Funny. I was just thinking this or something quite similar.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on May 01, 2014, 04:19:43 pm
Arena looks cooler and makes me feel like a gladiator. Has closer spawn points.

Other than that its useless.

The current map also lets cav, ranged, and siege people practice/fuck around. Better to just put all the spawn points close together on the current map. Ideally we'd have a big map that also looks cool, like an arena with a big grassy area outside with some trees and shit. Adjustable spawn points so ranged, cav, and infantry can spawn where they want. This will never happen, and its not worth the effort anyway.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Kafein on May 01, 2014, 05:30:31 pm
A larger, completely flat arena map without those silly props everywhere. The problem with Arena as we know it is that it's much too small and cluttered for cav duels.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 01, 2014, 06:10:45 pm
Arena type maps aren't really my expertise (not that any type of map is  :lol:) and I usually need some kind of inspiration to hit me for a map. Nevertheless, I threw a little something together because it's easier for me to make a map than it is for me to sketch one in paint. =P

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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: njames89 on May 01, 2014, 09:31:30 pm
I definitely think it would be great to rotate through both maps. Maybe even a third and forth to allow for duels in different scenarios, ie. in castles, on stairs, in fields, in arena, and more useful situations that could serve as practice for strat.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: AllTimeFail on May 01, 2014, 09:47:27 pm
Thranduil's map looks sick. That's what I was hoping for.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 03, 2014, 03:36:48 pm
If it gets agreed to have a duel rotation, even if it's just between a few maps for a change of pace, I'll contribute the map I posted above with any modifications the community suggests. Maybe even one or two different kinds of maps for duel as well, such as a castle (like njames89 mentioned) or a small dungeon type map.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 03, 2014, 06:41:24 pm
I like it, but the center needs entrances for people wanting to duel, instead of having to jump over the wall.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Taser on May 03, 2014, 07:11:47 pm
I like it, but the center needs entrances for people wanting to duel, instead of having to jump over the wall.

If you can't do parkour, don't even bother trying to duel.

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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Butan on May 03, 2014, 07:13:51 pm
Ruins is getting tedious true.

There should be a map rotation even for duel server, for variety sake.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 05, 2014, 08:31:46 pm
I like it, but the center needs entrances for people wanting to duel, instead of having to jump over the wall.

There are small entrances or rather, gaps in the wall, but those may not be big enough. I can make the walls a little smaller. This would also give a slight bit more battle room.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Harpag on May 05, 2014, 08:58:48 pm
Where is Thomek when we need him?  :)
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Lannistark on May 05, 2014, 09:08:36 pm
I'd prefer making a new map out of all this. If not, I settle for the rotations since everyone likes siege towers and shit.   :P
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: HarunYahya on May 11, 2014, 06:11:43 am
Arena type maps aren't really my expertise (not that any type of map is  :lol:) and I usually need some kind of inspiration to hit me for a map. Nevertheless, I threw a little something together because it's easier for me to make a map than it is for me to sketch one in paint. =P

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That's what I wanted !
Neat work and please add bullseye targets for archers to practice aswell.
That arena is small and those walls are unnecessary I think.
Thanks for doing that mate.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: engurrand on May 11, 2014, 08:36:58 am
It is pretty obvious to me that a new "duel" map needs to me made...

One that can glorify the c-rpg community.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 11, 2014, 07:07:57 pm
That's what I wanted !
Neat work and please add bullseye targets for archers to practice aswell.
That arena is small and those walls are unnecessary I think.
Thanks for doing that mate.

Soooo....

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****EDIT****
So yeah, it feels too empty without something there, so I threw in a much smaller wall set. Only enough room for 2 people to duel inside it, and plenty of room to fight around it. Plus a few rocks and some steppe grass.
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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Taser on May 11, 2014, 07:36:14 pm
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Nice stuff Thranduil. We don't deserve you mate.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Life on May 11, 2014, 08:40:46 pm
YESSS. ADD IN THRANDUILS MAP.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Herezy92 on May 12, 2014, 04:15:31 pm
What about making more screenshots of your map, and then starting a new poll : "YES/NO we want this as our new map."
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Teeth on May 12, 2014, 04:38:41 pm
bullseye targets for archers to practice aswell.
You really think an archer is going to join the duel server and shoot at a bullseye target?
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Tydeus on May 12, 2014, 04:53:56 pm
You really think an archer is going to join the duel server and shoot at a bullseye target?
Well, it's convenient for accuracy tests(effective accuracy is more than simply reticule size). I doubt too many people will do it, but there are already people who do range/accuracy tests on the duel server as is, might as well give them an actual target to shoot at(put the bullseye outside of the keep).
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Fips on May 12, 2014, 05:00:36 pm
Guess i could throw in thranduils map, ruins probably never got actually chosen to be the map for duel anyway.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 12, 2014, 05:10:45 pm
Guess i could throw in thranduils map, ruins probably never got actually chosen to be the map for duel anyway.
Well, I'll go ahead and upload it then.  :wink: Gimme 5 minutes. =P

*****

oh yeah.. naming the file... errrr...... I got nothin'.  :|


Okay, the download link is here: http://www.nexusmods.com/mbwarband/download/1000003743

That's a direct download. If that doesn't work for w/e reason, there's this: http://www.nexusmods.com/mbwarband/mods/5899/?

As for new pics,...well, it's pretty much the same as before, but w/e.

I moved spawns closer to the arena so less running to find a fight.
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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Moncho on May 12, 2014, 05:19:33 pm
Training grounds
Donkey's academy
Thranduil's training dojo
Fips please don't break this one
Buff me
The Land of QQ

Just a couple of suggestions of the top of my head
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 12, 2014, 05:26:23 pm
Training grounds
Donkey's academy <-- If we get a rotation, I'll make a castle type map and call it this
Thranduil's training dojo <-- for this one
Fips please don't break this one
Buff me
The Land of QQ <-- and if I do a dungeon type map

Just a couple of suggestions of the top of my head
dammit.... 1 minute earlier.... well, I like all of those better than "Duel_T",  :lol:
*** I decided to go with Thranduil's Training Dojo
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Herezy92 on May 12, 2014, 05:26:31 pm
Training arena seems to be a nice name.

Even if the moncho's names are really cool too !
(Especially the one with fips :) )

FrenchKiss
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Rebelyell on May 12, 2014, 05:31:44 pm
ffs so where peps can practice with catapults?
ruins are the best because of multiple reasons, there is space for everyone to do whatever they want. Imagine some newcomer trying to bulid to se what is that, peoples will burn him on stick before he realize what they want from him, cav duels will be pointles on such small map, there is just way to many drawbacks with that map.


topics like that meakes me mad because i realize how stupid peoples are or egocentric enough to ignore needs of other peoples on purepose
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: engurrand on May 12, 2014, 05:44:15 pm
ffs so where peps can practice with catapults?
ruins are the best because of multiple reasons, there is space for everyone to do whatever they want. Imagine some newcomer trying to bulid to se what is that, peoples will burn him on stick before he realize what they want from him, cav duels will be pointles on such small map, there is just way to many drawbacks with that map.


topics like that meakes me mad because i realize how stupid peoples are or egocentric enough to ignore needs of other peoples on purepose

You are blind..

Jump to conclusions.

Don't review evidence.

And are mean.

Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Thranduil on May 12, 2014, 05:45:12 pm
ffs so where peps can practice with catapults?
ruins are the best because of multiple reasons, there is space for everyone to do whatever they want. Imagine some newcomer trying to bulid to se what is that, peoples will burn him on stick before he realize what they want from him, cav duels will be pointles on such small map, there is just way to many drawbacks with that map.


topics like that meakes me mad because i realize how stupid peoples are or egocentric enough to ignore needs of other peoples on purepose

So take you horsies outside. There's a bridge and plenty of room out of the arena. And the good news is, it won't be a long run on a horse!  :mrgreen:  We burn newcomers at the stick stake regardless, and visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 ... err.. I mean 4 construction sites. You don't have to build a catapult if you don't want to. People usually bring their own construction site. I'm just placing construction sites and material sites to make it cheaper and quicker (of course, I can't test whether or not they will function without them being server side, but I'm hopeful).

As for what was a tiny text that I've blown up, I made this map based on what people posted in this topic. It's been here for 2 weeks. If you had an opinion or suggestion, you've had plenty of opportunities to give it. Just saying.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: HarunYahya on May 12, 2014, 06:08:29 pm
Soooo....

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****EDIT****
So yeah, it feels too empty without something there, so I threw in a much smaller wall set. Only enough room for 2 people to duel inside it, and plenty of room to fight around it. Plus a few rocks and some steppe grass.
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Flawless job man thank you very much for this contribution !!!
Also, I think having great space is better. I feel clausthrophobic otherwise  :lol:

You really think an archer is going to join the duel server and shoot at a bullseye target?
Yes ! It's for weight-wpf tests. I already had a suggestion thread about it here (http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/add-a-bullseye-practice-target-to-duel-server/msg978574/#msg978574)

Guess i could throw in thranduils map, ruins probably never got actually chosen to be the map for duel anyway.
Jaaaa bitte do it naoooooo
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 12, 2014, 06:23:23 pm

Dont care how I want it now.
Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Herezy92 on May 12, 2014, 08:07:04 pm
ffs so where peps can practice with catapults?
ruins are the best because of multiple reasons, there is space for everyone to do whatever they want. Imagine some newcomer trying to bulid to se what is that, peoples will burn him on stick before he realize what they want from him, cav duels will be pointles on such small map, there is just way to many drawbacks with that map.


topics like that meakes me mad because i realize how stupid peoples are or egocentric enough to ignore needs of other peoples on purepose

Rebel is a  changement hater. :)
The good thing is, thranduil can take your opinion/consideration, and fix the map with all the whishes he receives.
We should thanks him to make a dedicated map.
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Title: Re: CHANGE DUEL MAP TO ARENA [OFFICIAL POLL]
Post by: Rebelyell on May 12, 2014, 10:32:27 pm
So take you horsies outside. There's a bridge and plenty of room out of the arena. And the good news is, it won't be a long run on a horse!  :mrgreen:  We burn newcomers at the stick stake regardless, and visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 ... err.. I mean 4 construction sites. You don't have to build a catapult if you don't want to. People usually bring their own construction site. I'm just placing construction sites and material sites to make it cheaper and quicker (of course, I can't test whether or not they will function without them being server side, but I'm hopeful).

As for what was a tiny text that I've blown up, I made this map based on what people posted in this topic. It's been here for 2 weeks. If you had an opinion or suggestion, you've had plenty of opportunities to give it. Just saying.
I was talking about arena(there is only one true arena in  warband) , not about map that you made.
I like your design and i would support it but topic is about arena and i really dont like that idea becaue that map is way to small for that game mode even if we all love to play battles there.