cRPG
cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Elmetiacos on April 24, 2014, 05:45:48 pm
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I've been playing this mod a long time. People were annoyed at the way old established players accumulated money and got to run about as super skilled tin cans or bump everyone to death on a plated charger like The_Finn used to do. So, in came Upkeep. Now you had to continually pay for expensive stuff nobody could do that anymore and in came the soft level cap so nobody would be able to get too far ahead in PS and WPF either.
This has worked for a while, but now, we are back where we were before upkeep. I don't think anyone back then saw the mod lasting another four years. With nobody much above above level 30 for very long, it's very hard to get ahead in terms of WPF or Health or Power Anything. Any build that is too successful gets adopted by everyone before being nerfed by the devs to balance things out. So, that leaves gear as the only way to get ahead and thanks to clan banks, sale of loompoints and transfer between alts, there are players with millions in gold for whom expense is no object at all; they can ignore the upkeep rules (four plated chargers out of 30 players on EU1 last night) and party like it's 2010.
We need some kind of new system, but I can't think yet what it would be... I don't want to see everyone wiped and restarted but it might come to that.
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your just gonna have to face the facts that the devs here DONT KNOW WTF TO DO
crpg is a mod with a HUGE identity crisis, with some of the players playing it as a serious war sim, and the rest just trying to have fun and joke around
i stayed away from crpg for years, cuz i heard it was an unbalanced joke...which can be a lot of fun if ur just looking to have a fun time / pub stomp
the problem is, the devs really dont know whether they want a war sim, or a ridiculous joke.
personally i think they should just make it a joke, 200 wpf in every thing, crazy lvl 50 builds for everyone, archers with shields and sheathable flamberges riding armored bears...armed with tommyguns
the more the try to "balance" things...the more i want to go back to native...crpg, u are not native, you will never get it right / have nearly the balance that native does....why not just admit ur mod is a fucking joke, and let everyone have fun with it...make everything and everyone op and ul never have to hear about how this should be nerfed, or that should be buffed, cuz in the end...who cares in this mod? its just a joke...isnt it?
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I'd rather fight 2 tins cans than an agility polearmer in leather. Plate makes you slow, and pierce/blunt weapons cut through armor like it's not there.
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OMG I CANT BELIVE WHAT I JUST READ!!!
SOMEONE IN CRPG ACTUALLY HAS A WORKING BRAIN!!! AMAZING!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!
GIVE YOUR SELF A PAT ON THE BACK PHEW!
not very often you find people with working brains in crpg...how refreshing
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The moment people realise Joker86 was right all along.
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your just gonna have to face the facts that the devs here DONT KNOW WTF TO DO
crpg is a mod with a HUGE identity crisis, with some of the players playing it as a serious war sim, and the rest just trying to have fun and joke around
i stayed away from crpg for years, cuz i heard it was an unbalanced joke...which can be a lot of fun if ur just looking to have a fun time / pub stomp
the problem is, the devs really dont know whether they want a war sim, or a ridiculous joke.
personally i think they should just make it a joke, 200 wpf in every thing, crazy lvl 50 builds for everyone, archers with shields and sheathable flamberges riding armored bears...armed with tommyguns
the more the try to "balance" things...the more i want to go back to native...crpg, u are not native, you will never get it right / have nearly the balance that native does....why not just admit ur mod is a fucking joke, and let everyone have fun with it...make everything and everyone op and ul never have to hear about how this should be nerfed, or that should be buffed, cuz in the end...who cares in this mod? its just a joke...isnt it?
OMG I CANT BELIVE WHAT I JUST READ!!!
SOMEONE IN CRPG ACTUALLY HAS A WORKING BRAIN!!! AMAZING!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!
GIVE YOUR SELF A PAT ON THE BACK PHEW!
not very often you find people with working brains in crpg...how refreshing
Two failed troll attempts just 1 post apart, you should probably give up mate :lol:
But yeah onto the subject, I don't think anything major is going to happen to the upkeep system or in fact anything major in CRPG. There aren't going to be any full wipes unless somehow all the data gets magically lost either ( i.e chadz accidentally on purpose destroys it all ). Just face it, mod is ded.
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I'd rather fight 2 tins cans than an agility polearmer in leather. Plate makes you slow, and pierce/blunt weapons cut through armor like it's not there.
come to EU
the top scorers are all full plate spamming with very high damage cut weapons (on horseback and on foot)
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I'd rather fight 2 tins cans than an agility polearmer in leather. Plate makes you slow, and pierce/blunt weapons cut through armor like it's not there.
Man... always gotta be hating on the polearmer. Not the agi spamming shitlord with a 2hander? Not the agi swashfuckler? C'mon Phew, don't discriminate!
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Two failed troll attempts just 1 post apart, you should probably give up mate :lol:
But yeah onto the subject, I don't think anything major is going to happen to the upkeep system or in fact anything major in CRPG. There aren't going to be any full wipes unless somehow all the data gets magically lost either ( i.e chadz accidentally on purpose destroys it all ). Just face it, mod is ded.
Those weren't troll attempts you idiot, those are my actual thoughts. The mod is a joke, and they shouldve kept it that way, when people talk about crpg's golden years, they are talking about the years i missed out on, when people actually did have 200 wpf in everything / had weapons like boulder on stick.
People always say those were the funnest times in crpg, and thats what crpg should be about, just a joky place to pub stomp and have fun in.
These days everyone just bitches at the list of things buffed, and nerfed in an attempt to make things more fair and balanced?
this is crpg ffs, there is NO SUCH THING AS A FAIR BALANCED RPG WITH PVP, there just isnt, there are just way too many variables to make it even close to fair / balanced.
You think any new player has a hope in hell vs all the high lvl, high agi super loomers?
And thats why crpg died, it drove its older players away with unwanted changes, and new players dont stand a chance.
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Man... always gotta be hating on the polearmer. Not the agi spamming shitlord with a 2hander? Not the agi swashfuckler? C'mon Phew, don't discriminate!
I don't see many agility 2h anymore, mostly guys in light armor with 9+ athletics and a +3 War Spear or similar. Something about spear sideswing animations make them appear to swing much faster than a Longsword, and 22b is still a lot of damage.
I can't think of many players that are better in plate than they would be in loomed medium armor (which is probably why most people wear loomed medium armor).
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I'd rather fight 2 tins cans than an agility polearmer in leather. Plate makes you slow, and pierce/blunt weapons cut through armor like it's not there.
plate does make u slow, but y should people be able to wear plate and have 7 or 8 athletics? they're not very slow anymore.
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I don't see many agility 2h anymore, mostly guys in light armor with 9+ athletics and a +3 War Spear or similar. Something about spear sideswing animations make them appear to swing much faster than a Longsword, and 22b is still a lot of damage.
I can't think of many players that are better in plate than they would be in loomed medium armor (which is probably why most people wear loomed medium armor).
EU has ninjas.
And, it seems you have not encountered a fully loomed plated guy with a swiss halberd spamming overheads while waiting for you to glance on him. Or others 1h or 2h weapon. It first gives you a huge boost to your survivability against range, and secondly gives you this "glance" possibility when ganking/being ganked/duelling.
Biggest problem with righ guys is cav though. People explained how cav was balanced BECAUSE it was expensive.
Nowadays, semi-heavy horse + plated guy + 1h/shield are roaming the battlefield on EU, and are just so tough to kill.
There's litterally NO 1h not usable on horseback, i believe, even though it's mainly ACS used. So, for all 1h/shielders, the "usual" evolution, at lv33 and beyond, is putting points in riding. That's all.
If there's one class, luckily, that can't "evolve" on horse at high level, it's range, since you actually need to invest points in Horse Archery too. So it's pretty expensive. But for all others, there's no real reason, except for fun, or liking the travel by foot, to not get a war horse or whatever.
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plate does make u slow, but y should people be able to wear plate and have 7 or 8 athletics? they're not very slow anymore.
Max armor full plate weighs about 38 kg, which negates about 5-6 athletics, plus the speed penalty due to weapon weight and length. So even with 8 athletics and full plate, you have the "effective athletics" of a peasant.
Meanwhile, someone in loomed medium armor and the same build has an "effective" athletics of 4-5, and only takes one fewer swing from a bec/pick/mace/etc to kill than the guy in full plate. That's why most people go this route.
Nowadays, semi-heavy horse + plated guy + 1h/shield are roaming the battlefield on EU, and are just so tough to kill.
Yet another reason to play siege instead of battle. Hardly any cav.
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Man... always gotta be hating on the polearmer. Not the agi spamming shitlord with a 2hander? Not the agi swashfuckler? C'mon Phew, don't discriminate!
While I agree with 90% of this, you've got to admit that the longaxe is a longsword now.
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I blame Strat!
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Better to balance the equipment rather than rely on deterrents like upkeep. If you don't want too many people using a particular item then give it adequate downsides to using it. Instead of making cav really expensive make it so there are more negative elements involved. The heaviest horses should be cheaper but not have so much HP/armour etc. Arbalasts should be more than point & click, and you should have more downsides to equiping one. We have the slot system to tweak with as well.
It goes the other way too..there are plenty of overpriced melee weapons and body armour that don't really justify such a price tag. Heavy armour isn't necessarily better than medium but its more expensive. A Flamberge isn't better than a Longsword, its just different. Having lots of Flamberges won't unbalance the game more than lots of Longswords
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Eh, upkeep is just fine as it is. Would hurt the mode even more if they changed the upkeep to be more rewarding for low-tier gear users than punishing high-tier gear users.
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It's damn typical.
Peasants crying out because knights wear plate and ride on horseback.
That's their birthright and outcome of their hardwork. Instead of growing weed in your fucking farm, sign into army and some day your name might be entitled a knight aswell.
Since all you need to kill a plated knight on a plated charger is just a fucking pitchfork,i find this QQ invalid.
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cRPG is in general just full of crybabies, angsty teenagers and old, bitter trolls.
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cRPG is in general just full of crybabies, angsty teenagers and old, bitter trolls.
Which is wy we love it, right? RIGHT?! RRIIGHTTT?! *crowd goes crazy*
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Sensible people, too, fortunately.
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come to EU
the top scorers are all full plate spamming with very high damage cut weapons (on horseback and on foot)
This should take care of "agi build" in plate:
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/increase-the-difficulty-requirement-on-medium-heavy-tier-armours/msg955585/#msg955585
Upkeep could be removed for another system to be put in its place and the game would continue to work seemlessly. There has been hundreds of alternatives proposed but to this day none has been pro-actively supported by the players or by the devs :cry:
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It's damn typical.
Peasants crying out because knights wear plate and ride on horseback.
That's their birthright and outcome of their hardwork. Instead of growing weed in your fucking farm, sign into army and some day your name might be entitled a knight aswell.
Since all you need to kill a plated knight on a plated charger is just a fucking pitchfork,i find this QQ invalid.
As a gen 16 gold millionaire myself I would agree - better still if there hadn't been an upkeep patch at all because my 2H hero would still be in play at some godlike level and able to choose between one shotting plated chargers with his sword or javelin. The upkeep system was created to make it hard to fight all the time in the heaviest gear and now it doesn't serve its purpose any more. Buff me and nerf everyone else, obviously, but my own weakness isn't the issue here.
People who are arguing heavy armour confers no advantage, does that mean we should abolish upkeep completely? After all, what's it for in the first place if it only stops players from nerfing themselves with heavy armour that makes you clumsy and useless?
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Didnt read all. Just read: working brain. fun mod vs medieval fighting simulator.
Conclusio: Make melee battlegrounds so that fun players can join in a pro brain way into the hardcore medieval stuff so it does make some sense. Dont ask me how. Dont blame me for trolling, since I have not much brain left after years of c-rpg.
For C-rpg: I dont think it will improve much. Upkeep seems fine to me. Everyone who sells a loom can make some money to play without worries.
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I blame Strat!
The last 2 strat fights were 15 vs 40 because the ai accepted people who didn't show up in the end. Implement an AI roster check and strat is cool again :mrgreen: