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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Blackbow on April 24, 2014, 02:07:28 am

Title: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Blackbow on April 24, 2014, 02:07:28 am
Yes that is all, more dmg more ammo range.

Cause? Cause throwing archery is shit.

1. Lowest ammo damage count in the game, compared to the other ranged classes the ammo damage is a complete fucking joke in weight comparison / Check

2. Complete crap accuracy / Check

3. Dmg is a joke due to the low ammo armor penetration nerf, you carry a shit ton of weight to maybe kill 1 or 2 players with your entire stack of +3 throwing weapons arrows / Check
 
4. Crap range, due to missile speed / Check
since all the time rus and long had the best range and tydeus came and revers all bows the less powerfull bows have now the bigest  and a powerfull bow like long have the lowest range do u think it's logic ?

Throwing archery in general is just a class for shit n gigles an byzantium spartan roleplay events or strongman troll thrower builds. counter cavs but now 10 arrows cant kill an horse or the horseman ...

Make throwing archery a decent viable class, thinking how old this mod is, its about time thx.

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EDIT: Love how the horde of 2h´s pole´s Cav´s are misusing me for showing up a case of crappy balance.....

EDIT 2 : i forgot about the removed stun on arrows what a great idea
i think to balance a game each class have to be the predator of an other one
i guess 2h was this class but now with this bunch of agi dancing 2h it's impossible to kill them
between the ghost arrows and their 10 ath ...
so archers cant kill nothing anymore...
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: korppis on April 24, 2014, 07:09:35 am
Buff it. Just come to EU2 and see how UP those Drz and Quincy archers are.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Brrrak on April 24, 2014, 09:26:00 am
Honestly, I'm still waiting for my animated suits of gothic plate with Vaegir War Masks that can shoot lasers out of their eyes.  They aren't actually players, they're just NPCs, and they randomly occur on the battlefield.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Chasey on April 24, 2014, 09:33:30 am
I respecced 1 of my characters to archer recently and I'm doing fine with it, feels balanced and not under powered at all.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Bulzur on April 24, 2014, 10:51:19 pm
Quote from: Chasey on April 24, 2014, 09:33:30 am
I respecced 1 of my characters to archer recently and I'm doing fine with it, feels balanced and not under powered at all.

Even Chase is only doing "fine" with his archer.

Buff plox.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Tojo on April 25, 2014, 05:54:49 am
Quote from: blackbow on April 24, 2014, 02:07:28 am
cant kill an horse


so archers cant kill nothing anymore...
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Cant kill nothing means archers kill everything including teammates

That is all I got out of that
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Azuma on May 16, 2014, 05:25:29 am
Archery is DOWN !

And the balance btween all bows+3 are fucking shitted. For the next patch/nerf... I'm expecting the worst...

exemple : Bow+3 (5k gold) is 44/30/44 and the Rus+3 (10k gold) is 43/30/43... What the fuque ?


BUFF IT AND ABOVE ALL, STOP NERF IT PLEASE !

And if you are a 2h or Thrower :arrow: Stop QQ, get a shield !!

Thank you !   
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Adamar on May 16, 2014, 06:03:57 am
gEt GoOd .

-bodkins seem useless, takes about 5 headshots to kill Butan from long range.
-Horses are the same, headshots are generaly pointless, making skill and accuracy pointless.
-That horribly stupid weight nerf still doesn't make sence. Wanna punish kitting, fine, but footwork got punished too. Good job crippling gameplay.

-dis and that archer r still doing well-   Well maybe they should be doing a lot better!
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Mendro on May 16, 2014, 11:51:27 am
Quote from: Adamar on May 16, 2014, 06:03:57 am
-bodkins seem useless, takes about 5 headshots to kill Butan from long range.

All ranged get damage nerfed . With 10 Pt I need 4 jarids to kill a plated guy

Quote from: Adamar on May 16, 2014, 06:03:57 am
-Horses are the same, headshots are generaly pointless, making skill and accuracy pointless.

Same for every ranged. Horse are too tanky with ranged damage. I hope the next patch will nerf them
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: jtobiasm on May 16, 2014, 12:39:09 pm
Archery doesn't need a buff at all. I usually get into the top 3 on the scoreboard 9 times out of ten and so can other archers. No offense but, you're using a hornbow it's terrible for score/kills unless you really know how to use it like Nebun.

Sorry not sorry 4 e-peen - My best score in the past 4 daysish but i usually get 10+ kills a map. Robinhuud gets like 15+ a map hahah
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17 kills not 12 ;D
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Azuma on May 16, 2014, 02:37:17 pm
Quote from: jtobiasm on May 16, 2014, 12:39:09 pm
Archery doesn't need a buff at all. I usually get into the top 3 on the scoreboard 9 times out of ten and so can other archers. No offense but, you're using a hornbow it's terrible for score/kills unless you really know how to use it like Nebun.

Sorry not sorry 4 e-peen - My best score in the past 4 daysish but i usually get 10+ kills a map. Robinhuud gets like 15+ a map hahah
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17 kills not 12 ;D

Yo, jtobiasm is a skipdafun char or what ? everyday u r changing class. ^^ whats the date of your screenshots mate ?

Anyway, i need to shot 3/4 bodkin in head for kill a ~45 head armor.

You struggle against kitting but that the principle of the Archer class by the way :arrow: Archer is lightweight .

10kg or 8kg quiver is a pure joke.

But i'm not disagree with the anti-kitty btw cuz 2hders and 1hders QQing, I understand them.
The problem of the nerf is not the weight but damages.

I'll not talkin 'bout Yumi... Best joke ever... Short bow too...

Buff the most skilled class of this game and Stop QQ get a shield. There is already 75% of them.


Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Azuma on May 16, 2014, 02:47:51 pm
ok jtobiasm/jtoblasm, :)
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Mongolista on May 16, 2014, 04:32:49 pm
Im using the nomad bow and Im doing awesome even after the last patch, the damage is a bit low thats true but Ive been playing cav and I was raging so much for people killing my horse just by giving it a mean look, people on eu2 usually use stronger horses which are expensive as fuck even for repairs so I think having to shoot them at least 5-6 times before taking them down seems like a logical thing to do. Although having the horse decrease its max speed when low on hp would be awesome but thats a different topic I suppose.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Algarn on May 16, 2014, 05:06:43 pm
If you use the horn bow like that, you're doing something wrong. Horn bow is a huge beast when it's manned with builds like 15/30 or 27/15 (no need of wpf, PD gives +56 % damages and bonus speed on this one). I can tell you that's not the way to use the horn bow. With horn bow, you have to pick up targets with light armor if you use the first build I wrote, or simply aim for boots if they wear much less leg armor than body armor etc, and use it with 5 PS and a melee weapon to spam enemies and out maneuver them with your athl skills. If you use the horn bow with the second build (PD based), you'll kill people in plate in 6 shots in the BODY(about the same than with long or rus bow) and 2 or even 1 hit on the head.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: jtobiasm on May 16, 2014, 05:18:19 pm
Quote from: Algarn on May 16, 2014, 05:06:43 pm
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Whats the point in them builds? horn bow is good with 18/21 18/24 18/27
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Algarn on May 16, 2014, 07:53:52 pm
the str build is simply the one that will completely max out damages with the horn bow

req 5 ;  5 + 4 = 9 ; 56% bonus damage given to horn bow. Also, PD is not necessary on high levels and with looms, since damages that come from wpf are huge. Test the first one and enjoy all the hate  :lol: Well, you can use any of them if you know how to play them to be honest, simple as that.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Mongolista on May 16, 2014, 08:08:10 pm
Aim for the boots? lol wish you could see the graphic on my laptop, Im aiming according to the sound the shot makes :D
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Algarn on May 16, 2014, 10:29:42 pm
If the guy got a rus scale armor and rus shoes, I shoot the legs, seems logical that someone will take much more damage in legs if he got such kind of combo than on the torso (imagine that rus scale armor +3 and heavy gauntlets +3 are around 70 body armor). The shot will often make more damages and it will cause an intense rage since he did pay a whole heavy stuff but boots.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Azuma on May 17, 2014, 04:06:20 am
Archery needs 21 of agi MINIMUM to be useful.  :shock:
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Algarn on May 17, 2014, 12:19:59 pm
And that's where you're wrong. Having 129 wpf only because the PD penalties go down with 9 PD is far to be a bad choice.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Torben on May 17, 2014, 12:37:07 pm
I value your opinion as a veteran archer,  and thus support your cause.  although i still feel highly mistreated by huge amounts of arrows darkening my every day : )
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Azuma on May 17, 2014, 03:26:55 pm
Ok, thank you Algarn. I'll test it  :wink:

If that's the only way to make damages, i'll try.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Tydeus on May 17, 2014, 03:53:19 pm
Only took about a year before people started to realize high PD is more viable when bows have increased accuracy?
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: BlueKnight on May 17, 2014, 04:04:02 pm
Quote from: Tydeus on May 17, 2014, 03:53:19 pm
Only took about a year before people started to realize high PD is more viable when bows have increased accuracy?
All is lost, retreat!
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Adamar on May 17, 2014, 04:23:40 pm
Quote from: Tydeus on May 17, 2014, 03:53:19 pm
Only took about a year before people started to realize high PD is more viable when bows have increased accuracy?

It's not new, tatar and hornbow where always superior. Some might insist on using the longbow for style only.
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: jtobiasm on May 17, 2014, 04:40:45 pm
Quote from: Adamar on May 17, 2014, 04:23:40 pm
It's not new, tatar and hornbow where always superior. Some might insist on using the longbow for style only.

Or maybe cos the longbow is the easiest bow ;D
Title: Re: Archery needs a serious buff <------------------------------
Post by: Adamar on May 17, 2014, 04:41:40 pm
Quote from: jtobiasm on May 17, 2014, 04:40:45 pm
Or maybe cos the longbow is the easiest bow ;D

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