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Title: new PC
Post by: Vibe on April 23, 2014, 11:19:57 am
I usually keep PCs for at least a few years (5+), till they get (seriously) outdated. Well it's been about 5 years (might be more) at least since I changed my PC, so I'm coming up with a new build, that would last at least a few years in the future.

Motherboard MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming LGA1150 ATX     191.09€
Intel Core i7 4770K BOX processor, Haswell      321.10€
Memory Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB 2400MHz DDR3 KHX24C11T3K2/16X 159.85€
GIGABYTE graphics card GTX 780 OC, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-E 3.0 469.72€
Hard drive WD 3TB 64MB 5400 SATA3 Caviar Green WD30EZRX 102.35€
DVD-RW Asus DRW-24F1ST SATA     16.18€
Housing LC ATX midi PRO917B Titus X     70.66€
PSU Silentpower LC6650GP3-650W V2.3     63.85€
Crucial M500 240GB SSD SATA3 2.5'' disk 7mm + 9.5mm adapter     104.90€

Comes at about 1500€. While I do somewhat know what parts I want, I do know pretty little about which hardware companies make quality shit, or what exactly to be careful of.

Any advice is welcome.

Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Corwin on April 23, 2014, 11:22:46 am
No SSD? C'mon.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Vibe on April 23, 2014, 11:23:38 am
No SSD? C'mon.

Motherboard MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming LGA1150 ATX     191.09€
Intel Core i7 4770K BOX processor, Haswell      321.10€
Memory Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB 2400MHz DDR3 KHX24C11T3K2/16X 159.85€
GIGABYTE graphics card GTX 780 OC, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-E 3.0 469.72€
Hard drive WD 3TB 64MB 5400 SATA3 Caviar Green WD30EZRX 102.35€
DVD-RW Asus DRW-24F1ST SATA     16.18€
Housing LC ATX midi PRO917B Titus X     70.66€
PSU Silentpower LC6650GP3-650W V2.3     63.85€
Crucial M500 240GB SSD SATA3 2.5'' disk 7mm + 9.5mm adapter     104.90€

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Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Corwin on April 23, 2014, 11:23:58 am
Sry, I missed that.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Leshma on April 23, 2014, 01:22:27 pm
It's cool that you have big ass SSD but put some money into that HDD. Get the Red version, 7200 RPM.

Also that case...

Otherwise, mighty fine. I'll wait till end of the year to see will nVidia announce more Maxwell parts. Heard that mid range Maxwell GPU is going to be faster than GTX780.

Are you going to OC? Because unless you want go high with OC, that RAM is kinda redundant. Get some decent closed loop water cooling system for CPU.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: cmp on April 23, 2014, 01:43:57 pm
Ditch that RAM, massive waste of money. You can get "slower" 16GB for 50€ less and you won't feel a difference in games. nevermind, looks like RAM prices doubled (wtf?) compared to a couple years ago
Also, the PSU looks like trash. 650W is fine unless you plan to do heavy overclocking or upgrade to SLI, but get a Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, XFX or stuff like that (most are rebranded Seasonic anyway).
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Kafein on April 23, 2014, 04:33:11 pm
Your CPU is a K model so you'd be stupid not to overclock it. Get a all-in-one watercooling kit for it, you won't have any temperature problems and it will run more quietly than air cooling. The issue is that you must make sure you have space to put the radiator inside the case.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Vibe on April 23, 2014, 05:44:53 pm
Thanks for the feedback so far.

Ditch that RAM, massive waste of money. You can get "slower" 16GB for 50€ less and you won't feel a difference in games. nevermind, looks like RAM prices doubled (wtf?) compared to a couple years ago
Also, the PSU looks like trash. 650W is fine unless you plan to do heavy overclocking or upgrade to SLI, but get a Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, XFX or stuff like that (most are rebranded Seasonic anyway).

Yeah PSU is one of the parts I am most worried about as I have no clue which are good and which aren't. I just know that a bad PSU can destroy your PC.

Your CPU is a K model so you'd be stupid not to overclock it. Get a all-in-one watercooling kit for it, you won't have any temperature problems and it will run more quietly than air cooling. The issue is that you must make sure you have space to put the radiator inside the case.

Is overclocking really worth it? You have to realize I'll be using these parts for somewhat long time, and overclocking does reduce the lifetime of a part, doesn't it? What's the performance gain for OCing, I heard they're hardly noticable.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Tor! on April 23, 2014, 05:47:27 pm
I dont think you will have any need to OC that setup for a couple of years atleast  :wink:
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Molly on April 23, 2014, 06:16:49 pm
I'd wager that spending half the amount of money in higher mid-tier components now and doing the same in 3 years will have you end up with a better money/performance-ratio.
Considering the still rather fast development cycles of the industry, it seems the better choice to me.

On the other hand, if you got the money right now to spend freely, you'll end up with something really sweet. :)
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Leshma on April 23, 2014, 06:24:09 pm
Yeah PSU is one of the parts I am most worried about as I have no clue which are good and which aren't. I just know that a bad PSU can destroy your PC.

Only the cheapest chinese kungfu PSU can destroy your components. While it's not exactly what you need, LC doesn't fall in that category.

I've read the PC brand as Superflower at first, didn't notice it was actually LC.

Also, 1500 euros is a lot of money. But we live in Europe so we have to pay extra. For little more in USA you can get pretty much the same brand name configuration in form of official Steam Machine (Digital Storm Bolt II).

While we're at it, you should seriously consider different, smaller, more console like case but big enough so system doesn't overheat. Also think about buying Samsung EVO SSD 500GB and completely ditch the HDD. If you want a place to store movies, buy a proper NAS later down the road.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: //saxon on April 23, 2014, 06:56:34 pm
I do know pretty little about which hardware companies make quality shit

try scan bro, they have top customer service last time i used them for stuff.

http://www.scan.co.uk/
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Kafein on April 23, 2014, 07:56:24 pm
Is overclocking really worth it? You have to realize I'll be using these parts for somewhat long time, and overclocking does reduce the lifetime of a part, doesn't it? What's the performance gain for OCing, I heard they're hardly noticable.

Overclocking is very easy these days, with basically no negative impact. If you don't do it, better get a locked CPU for slightly cheaper. And the performance gain is actually still quite important, because multicore CPUs are usually sold at very low factory clock frequencies which are more energy-efficient.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Leshma on April 23, 2014, 08:00:04 pm
CPU should be less important in future games, if we take new and improved APIs into account.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Senni__Ti on April 23, 2014, 11:55:28 pm
try scan bro, they have top customer service last time i used them for stuff.

http://www.scan.co.uk/

Agreed, but I'm not sure what their service is like outside the UK. Might have export/VAT issues.

Build wise, I have pretty much what you're speccing out. I also made a revised (better) version for a friend.
I agree with what the others have mentioned;

You'll need a decent PSU, around 650W (your system will probably draw sub 500W w/o OC, but it pays to have some headroom and with a decent PSU, you'll probably hit a decent efficiency)

Don't get the WD green HDD (don't get me wrong, it does work, I have one), it's just the cheaper nastier eco version. Red/Black aren't much more expensive, but should pay off in the long run. (Hopefully will last longer :) )

RAM wise, 16gb is quite a lot. I have 8gb and I've never found it to be a bottleneck (I've even run multiple games at once :D). Unless ofcourse you plan to do a lot of rendering or video editing. (Not sure if you've picked a single 16gb stick, 2 x 8 or 4 x 4?)

That SSD sucks, no easy way to say it :p. Samsung is much more reliable (840), EVO being more cost effective and PRO being faster and with a longer lifespan (both have 3 year warranties [Thought it was 7, must have changed]).

Graphics card wise; if you're set on the 780, there are other options. Gigabyte doesn't officially endorse watercooling your card, so if you do that in the future, it may void the warranty. Another option is the EVGA or ASUS who are more lax on it (I think EVGA does endorse it). The EVGA ACX SC would run faster out of the box and is only slightly more, some tests have shown it to run cooler too. Finally the ASUS DCU II, slower out of the box, but with incredible cooling (it's much chunkier and doesn't blow the air out the back, but a good case can handle that) and OCs like a beast (my revised build had this, my friend managed to OC to 1.25GHz and 7GHz effective memory clock).
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/62915-asus-gtx-780-directcu-ii-oc-review-9.html

Wall of text I know :p, one last thing GPU wise; the AMD R9 290(X) with a decent aftermarket cooler are good contenders (though Xfire is still a bit meh). The R9 290 ASUS DCU II and Sapphire TRI X are great (similar temps to the 780 equivalents underload) and tends to OC quite well and it's a bit cheaper than the 780 (should perform almost identically, if not better in some games).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_r9_290_directcuii_oc_review,28.html

Same for the R9 290X, except slightly more and even faster. (Sapphire TRI X 290X is about the same price as the ASUS DCU II 780 and will outperform)

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Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Miwiw on April 24, 2014, 01:14:53 am
For my new pc I first wanted a i7 as well but decided to get i5 instead. It is fast and good enough and price-wise cheap. For games graphic cards are more important anyway.  :)

What Senni__Ti mentions, I got a R9 290X (3gb) as well, its a nice graphic card. I'm really satisfied. Had a Radeon 9750 before that which was broken.
469€ for graphic card is quite expensive.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Vibe on April 24, 2014, 09:37:04 am
This is a more "cheapo" build from scan, with some of the advice taken. I actually used one of the "custom" prebuilt PCs on scan page http://3xs.scan.co.uk/custom - but switched a few parts around.

    LN52598 120GB Samsung 840 EVO SATA III Basic Slim 7mm 3-core MEX Controller Read 540MB/s Write 410MB/s 256MB Cache 94K IOPS
    LN42410 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM
    LN46437 3 Year Warranty - 1st Year Onsite, 2nd & 3rd Year Return to Base (Parts & Labour)
    LN52187 3XS Asus Z87-K Motherboard * Integration ONLY *
    LN48087 3XS Custom Gamer 20
    LN48272 3XS Estimated Build - 10 Days
    LN54116 3XS Only CX600M Semi-Modular Bronze PSU
    LN55297 2 x 3XS Only Veng Pro Colour Clip - GOLD
    LN55295 2 x 3XS Only Veng Pro DDR3 4GB 2133Mhz C11 Module (No Colour)
    LN53822 4GB XFX Radeon R9 290 Boost Edition, 5000MHz GDDR5, GPU 947MHz, Boost 1000MHz, 2560 Streams, DPort/DVI/HDMI
    LN32753 Build/Config/OC/Test
    LN53981 Corsair Graphite Series 230T Compact Mid Tower Solid Side LED Gaming Case Black on Black with RED LED
    LN54558 Intel 4770K - 3XS Grade 4
    LN50975 Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD±R, 8x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM
    LN48522 SCAN 3XS 5.25" Brand and Card reader Aluminum Front Panel
    LN45708 Scan 3XS System - 3 Year Warranty (Mainland UK) - 1st Year Onsite, 2nd & 3rd Year Return to Base (Parts & Labour)
    LN55098 System

Some notes:
- I really don't need 3TBs of hard drive - switched it with a 1TB 7200 rpm disk
- SSD 120gb from 240gb, but Samsung now
- Switched GTX780 for Radeon r9 290, seems quite a bit cheaper but not that worse performance wise
- 8gb of RAM instead of 16gb
- stock (air) coolers

However I'm not sure about how international buying from scan works, as you can see warranty is only for Mainland UK :/



Now the new build from the page/shop I'm using (taking your advice and trying to cut some cost + above notes)

24540   Motherboard MSI Z87-G43 LGA1150 ATX   109.64€
26284   Intel Core i7 4770K BOX processor, Haswell   321.10€
31948   KINGSTON HyperX Predator 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 2400 CL11; XMP   88.00€
27488   Graphics card SAPPHIRE TRI-X R9 290 4GB DDR5 OC   429.06€
27390   Hard drive WD Black 1TB SATA3 3,5'' 64MB WD1003FZEX   78.05€
24728   DVD/RW Samsung SATA SH-224DB/BEBE bulk   16.60€
7429   Housing LC ATX midi PRO917B Titus X   70.66€
27654   PSU ANTEC High Current Gamer M 620W HCG-620M 80Bronze modular   103.34€
25264   SSD Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2,5'' SATA3 TLC MZ-7TE120BW   80.81€

This comes at about 1300€

A note, I saved the most money by reducing ram and switching mobos MSI Z87-GD65 -> MSI Z87-G43. I've read that the latter is sufficient enough. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Molly on April 24, 2014, 09:59:44 am
I am using a Radeon HD6870 and it's a fine card, still manages to display 90% of the current games with max details but...

...I'll switch to Nvidia with my next card simply for one single reason: PhysX.
Support, performance, pricing seems very comparable and similar between the two manufacturers, so why not go for the PhysX features?
Well, there is Mantle from ATi now but I guess Nvidia will come up with something similar in the near future.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: cmp on April 24, 2014, 11:33:07 am
If you really want to use that PC for 5 years or more, NVIDIA might be the better choice. AMD tends to drop driver support for older cards faster, and their OpenGL (which has been gaining popularity lately and could be relevant in a year or two) support is trash.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Kafein on April 24, 2014, 11:44:15 am
Nvidia has really better software also. And PhysX is easily worth 50 bucks :D. I've also heard SLI configurations tend to have fewer issues than CF.

I'd get 16Gb of RAM but most people don't seem to agree.

If you have a decent sound system or good headphones you should seriously consider buying a discrete sound card.

120Gb of SSD is a little bit thin if you want more than OS, utilities and documents on it. 240 lets you put a few games in, and that of course improves load times a lot. I have the Samsung 840 PRO 240Gb and it's neat. More space also means you can have more over-provisionning, increasing the lifespan and performance of the SSD.

Air coolers are inefficient and LOUD. Intel stock air coolers are the incarnation of the Devil. Really. You will have to change that eventually, and much sooner than 5 years from now.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Vibe on April 24, 2014, 12:04:53 pm
The initial 16gb RAM I had was planned for "the future", but you can always easily add more RAM, so I went with 8gb. If there's ever gonna be a need for more, I'll get more.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Leshma on April 24, 2014, 01:07:19 pm
Building for future is kinda pointless at this time. If you want to build for future, this isn't the right time because new Intel CPUs are coming in 2 months (confirmed), there's a chance of Maxwell high end 28nm parts will be released in September, DDR4 motherboards are coming at the end of the year...

Also, Steam machines are coming H2 2014. From what I've seen, everyone is trying to build a console counterpart. Big ass cases, power hungry parts, building your own PC isn't so popular these days. Yesterday I saw a video from PAX where Gigabyte demonstrated new Brix gaming with i5 4200H CPU and soldered 760GTX with 6 GB GDDR5 RAM, all packed in a tiny box.

Seriously think about 500 gb SSD and drop HDD completely. Since I got cured of hamster/hoarder syndrome, 500 gb of space is even more than I need.

And forget AMD. Besides poor SteamOS future, you won't have nVidia goodies in Watch Dogs and later in Witcher 3.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Molly on April 24, 2014, 01:21:49 pm
I don't think there is any support for 16GB ram on any OS - honestly don't know about Linux - but if you get 16GB, you can use 8GB ram as a RamDisk. Even install whole games on it for a great performance boost.
I've read an article, I think it was at Tom's Hardware, where they tested the performance gain from installing a game on a RamDisk and it 20% and more fps (iirc) and the loading times were split in half.
But I guess that's just a gimmick.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Vibe on April 24, 2014, 01:23:04 pm
FPS I highly doubt it, reading speed from drives improves loading times and texture loading in games, but doesn't really improve FPS.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Prpavi on April 24, 2014, 01:25:39 pm
you still don't need (yet) 16gb ram for gaming same as you don't need 4gb in your gpu unless youre running eyefinity setup.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Kafein on April 24, 2014, 03:23:22 pm
I don't think there is any support for 16GB ram on any OS

There is support, technically up to 2^64 bytes of RAM on 64b systems, which is I believe more than the total amount of RAM that has ever been produced. If these OS were not created by idiots that is. Given that modern Windows versions were not created by idiots, the issue will come down to how many sticks of RAM your mobo can fit.

The problem of how useful/useless large amounts of memory arises because few games are made to use such amounts of RAM, hence why in many games you could theoritically make use of all your RAM all the time with techniques such as dynamic view distances, but you don't because the developpers looked at hardware surveys and didn't bother adding goodies for the 0.5% playing with more than 8Gb RAM.

RAM disks are more trouble than they are worth in my opinion, unless you leave your PC on all the time, or make it start at scheduled times and fill the RAM disk with what you want automatically.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Molly on April 24, 2014, 03:28:13 pm
I had the free version of the ATi RamDisk tool running and it was completely fine:

It basically mounts the portion of RAM you defined before as a harddrive, usable just any other drive. I had my Steam installation running on it for a few weeks w/o a hitch.
Whenever you turn off your pc, the tool dumps the stuff on your ramdisk into a container which gets mounted with the starting OS.

No trouble whatsoever. 
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Senni__Ti on April 24, 2014, 04:02:49 pm

Now the new build from the page/shop I'm using (taking your advice and trying to cut some cost + above notes)

24540   Motherboard MSI Z87-G43 LGA1150 ATX   109.64€
26284   Intel Core i7 4770K BOX processor, Haswell   321.10€
31948   KINGSTON HyperX Predator 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 2400 CL11; XMP   88.00€
27488   Graphics card SAPPHIRE TRI-X R9 290 4GB DDR5 OC   429.06€
27390   Hard drive WD Black 1TB SATA3 3,5'' 64MB WD1003FZEX   78.05€
24728   DVD/RW Samsung SATA SH-224DB/BEBE bulk   16.60€
7429   Housing LC ATX midi PRO917B Titus X   70.66€
27654   PSU ANTEC High Current Gamer M 620W HCG-620M 80Bronze modular   103.34€
25264   SSD Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2,5'' SATA3 TLC MZ-7TE120BW   80.81€

This comes at about 1300€

A note, I saved the most money by reducing ram and switching mobos MSI Z87-GD65 -> MSI Z87-G43. I've read that the latter is sufficient enough. Any thoughts?

Everything seems ok.
You're right, the difference gaming wise between the g-65 and g-43 is negligible.
I do have a couple of concerns, the case and CPU cooling. With that OCed RAM, GPU and CPU; it's going to get toasty. Firstly, you'll need better than intel stock cooling (it'll hit 80C+ easily, really sucks), the Zalman CNPS10X Performa is pretty cheap and has really nice performance (it is chunky though).

Case wise, it doesn't really matter as most cases will tick all the needed boxes. You will probably need to buy some extra fans though, as they don't usually come with enough to get a decent air flow. (Corsair/Antec/Fractal/Silverstone are few decent brands to mention)

PSU, full modular isn't needed, save some money and get a hybrid or standard (you can hide most the cables in most cases). Antec is fine though.

And as others have pointed out, going AMD can mean lack of driver support (5 years should be ok though). And you'll be missing out on advanced physx (everyone can use basic), shadowplay (recording using chip on GPU) etc.

Counter argument could be; with the consoles running amd setups, might mean better optimisations for amd cards with ports :P. (And they'll be holding back game how demanding games can be, so I wouldn't worry about not being able to run games on high in 5 years with your setup w/ 290(X)/780)

Honestly it's up to you, I personally have grown up with AMD and switched a couple years ago, first with my laptop and then with a new desktop (I have since changed the laptops GPU to AMD :p). While physx is nice, it isn't worth forking out in the region of 100 euros.

It's also worth mentioning the deals you get with the GPUs, e.g. free games. Sometimes you can offset the cost by selling the bundled games :D.

Also I wouldn't suggest getting a huge SSD quite yet, their reliability and resilience still isn't something I'd recommend pushing :P. My friend finds his 120GB SSD is fine for windows + a couple of games.
Honestly most games will runs smoothly off a normal HDD with your setup.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: cmp on April 24, 2014, 04:23:07 pm
There is support, technically up to 2^64 bytes of RAM on 64b systems, which is I believe more than the total amount of RAM that has ever been produced. If these OS were not created by idiots that is.

It's quite the opposite: only an idiot would use the full 64 bit address space, since it leads to more page table levels and more complex TLB. Most (if not all) current x64 CPUs use a 48 bit address space.

Firstly, you'll need better than intel stock cooling (it'll hit 80C+ easily, really sucks)

What's wrong with hitting 80C? That's well below the CPU's thermal limit.

Counter argument could be; with the consoles running amd setups, might mean better optimisations for amd cards with ports :P.

Would be nice if it was like that, but consoles use different APIs. You can count on ports being shitty, no matter what graphics card you have.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Senni__Ti on April 24, 2014, 04:33:13 pm
Heh wondered as much.

Pretty sure the lifetime of the chip is reduced consistently hitting 80C? (thermal limit is 105C right?)
(pretty sure my chip started approaching 90C+ when I started putting some strain on it, though I didn't replace the thermal paste on the stock CPU cooler).

When decent air coolers are pretty cheap, just seems like a risk that isn't worth taking. CNPSX10 + Artic MX4 for ~30 pounds and you get a huge temperature reduction (I sit below the mid 50s [every core] even in arma).
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: cmp on April 24, 2014, 04:47:40 pm
I'm pretty sure you can run it at 80C 24/24 (not gonna happen) and it will still work fine after years.
I agree that aftermarket coolers/thermal paste can give nice results, but I wouldn't really bother unless you already have some experience with it (or if they build the PC for you).
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Kafein on April 24, 2014, 06:03:47 pm
It's quite the opposite: only an idiot would use the full 64 bit address space, since it leads to more page table levels and more complex TLB. Most (if not all) current x64 CPUs use a 48 bit address space.

I wasn't aware of that. However given that I was speaking about OS-level stuff and that as far as I know, low level memory management shenanigans such as the size of the address space isn't set in software, I wasn't technically wrong, right ? Right ?
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Leshma on April 24, 2014, 06:36:55 pm
Are you seriously discussing maximum amount of memory OS can support? Doesn't matter, most applications are still 32-bit which means you'll have a hard time using more than 16 GB while gaming. Even if game has 64 bit exe it isn't designed to use more than 4 gigs of RAM.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Kafein on April 24, 2014, 06:42:15 pm
Are you seriously discussing maximum amount of memory OS can support? Doesn't matter, most applications are still 32-bit which means you'll have a hard time using more than 16 GB while gaming. Even if game has 64 bit exe it isn't designed to use more than 4 gigs of RAM.

Well of course, that's the issue I was talking about two posts ago.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Gnjus on April 24, 2014, 06:53:28 pm
I need a new T-shirt and was thinking about something like this:

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Any of you guys know where to buy it ?  :oops:
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Molly on April 24, 2014, 08:01:47 pm
I need a new T-shirt and was thinking about something like this:

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Any of you guys know where to buy it ?  :oops:
Download the picture and use one of those "Make your own T-Shirt shops"...
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Tibe on April 24, 2014, 08:37:14 pm
you still don't need (yet) 16gb ram for gaming same as you don't need 4gb in your gpu unless youre running eyefinity setup.

I dunno man. Give it 3 years and im pretty sure that 16gb comes more then handy. Already games like Watchdogs is going to have like 8gb as recommended and Star Citizen is going to have 12 as recommended. As in u might need more. Somewhat true, right now 8 is enough I quess. If u arent some insane AAA fan who wants everything in ultra.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: [ptx] on April 24, 2014, 08:40:22 pm
What's the point in discussing memory? It can easily be extended at any moment, when needed, as long as your mobo has the appropriate slots.
Title: Re: new PC
Post by: Miwiw on April 24, 2014, 08:50:47 pm
As long as you dont buy 4x2gb you're fine.  :lol: