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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => EU (Official) => Topic started by: Sir_Frank on April 22, 2014, 04:07:24 pm
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Dear reader
I got banned today, I am unsure why I got banned? I believe the admin "Patoson" (Sorry if that was spelled wrong) banned me. If this was indeed for leeching then I do wish to say that going afk for 2 minutes is not against the rules of the server. There have been people being afk from the start of that map that did not receive a ban. mere clarification from the admin would be much appreciated. I still stand my point that I have broken no server rules.
Thank you for reading
Frank_Of_Brack
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I already kicked you for leeching before and you kept leeching. If you have to go AFK for so long, join spectator, untick "ready to spawn" (if you have to leave right before spawning), or leave the server, please.
DTV is not a free ticket to leech while the rest of the team gets you xp and gold.
You were banned for 1 hour, so it will expire in half an hour more or less.
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There is no rule against going afk for a minute Patoson. There is a clear difference between staying every round or going away for 1 minute. I even spoke to you in that same ROUND. Is it still called leeching when no money is being made from not playing a single minute?
EDIT: Could an admin put the chat logs of me saying my last words in global before being banned. This will clearly proof the unjust of this ban.
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I've just checked the log, and you didn't write anything, but you did kill a bot between my warning and the banning, which I did not see. I just saw you looking like AFK most of the time, and, if you think it wasn't a good reason for the ban, consider it a punishment for how you ended the previous map.
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What punishment? You can't make up a new reason for the ban because the last one backfired on you. Please do post the logs I am very interested to know how long the timespan is to become a leacher in patoson his eyes.
Patoson if you admit your mistake and say sorry, I will drop this thread
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Patoson is actually one of the best admins, and always do his job the right way. If you got banned, you are the only one to blame, so, instead of being a shithead on forums , follow the rules next time.
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Patoson is actually one of the best admins, and always do his job the right way. If you got banned, you are the only one to blame, so, instead of being a shithead on forums , follow the rules next time.
Please refrain from posting on this thread if it doesn't involve anything that has to do with the ban, thank you
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On the previous map to this ban, you were the last one alive. After some time searching the bot, you see it, but decide to jump off the wall and commit suicide, making us lose. If you think that's not a good reason...
I let it slide at that time, and, when I saw you leeching again, I banned you (and I had already kicked you before for leeching).
Again, if you have to go AFK so much, go spectator, please.
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On the previous map to this ban, you were the last one alive. After some time searching the bot, you see it, but decide to jump off the wall and commit suicide, making us lose. If you think that's not a good reason...
I let it slide at that time, and, when I saw you leeching again, I banned you (and I had already kicked you before for leeching).
Again, if you have to go AFK so much, go spectator, please.
But you didn't ban as you just said yourself. You banned me for leaching that I clearly did not. Please post the logs to back-up the truth.
Also to clarify that was an accident my Z key got stuck so I fell off the wall. Killing yourself isn't against the rules is it?
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You jumped running forward... lol
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To try and evade from falling off the wall. What else was there for me to do Patoson? I am really sorry but these things happen every now and then.
Now could you post the logs please, thank you.
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Tamra_the_Grey:
First of all you can be sure that Patoson knows what leeching is and when somebody actually is leeching, and he definitely didn't banned/kicked you just because you went afk for a minute.
And you clearly did suicide on that map;
You saw the stucked bot down the ladders; quite funny how you tried several times to jump over the invisible wall, and when you realized its not working you just jumped down on the other side - I was wondering why you didn't get banned at this point already...
The ban reason may not only be leeching, its griefing too.
Kinda weird that you doing such a topic about a 1 hour ban anyway.
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Tamra_the_Grey:
First of all you can be sure that Patoson knows what leeching is and when somebody actually is leeching, and he definitely didn't banned/kicked you just because you went afk for a minute.
And you clearly did suicide on that map;
You saw the stucked bot down the ladders; quite funny how you tried several times to jump over the invisible wall, and when you realized its not working you just jumped down on the other side - I was wondering why you didn't get banned at this point already...
The ban reason may not only be leeching, its griefing too.
Kinda weird that you doing such a topic about a 1 hour ban anyway.
Please refrain from posting on this thread if it doesn't involve anything that has to do with the ban, thank you
I got banned because I was leeching as clearly stated by Patoson himself. Also if you would read the thread you would have seen Patoson admiting himself that I killed somebody during the time I was warned to be banned.
But if you can prove otherwise please do post the logs.
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Please refrain from posting on this thread if it doesn't involve anything that has to do with the ban, thank you
I got banned because I was leeching as clearly stated by Patoson himself. Also if you would read the thread you would have seen Patoson admiting himself that I killed somebody during the time I was warned to be banned.
But if you can prove otherwise please do post the logs.
Jezus guy...
I was there, I saw what happened; So I am kinda involved in this useless case, especially because you blaming one of our few EU-DTV-admins.
I've just checked the log, and you didn't write anything, but you did kill a bot between my warning and the banning, which I did not see. I just saw you looking like AFK most of the time, and, if you think it wasn't a good reason for the ban, consider it a punishment for how you ended the previous map.
Just always reply if an admin asks for you.
You got banned for leeching before and griefing, I'm sure this is acceptable
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Logs:
[15:44:33] kill,Frank_Of_Brack,Bandit,melee,Maul,hb_spine
[15:45:46] kill,Bandit,NIKI_HRE,melee,Mighty Great Maul,hb_thigh_l
[15:46:25] kill,Nomad,dagu807,melee,Red Tassel Spear,hb_calf_l
[15:49:46] msg,[ADMIN][Patoson] dont leech Frank
[15:49:55] kill,Frank_Of_Brack,Nomad,ranged,Tatar Bow,Tatar Arrows,hb_head
[15:50:21] msg,Patoson banned player Frank_Of_Brack for 1h. Reason: Leeching.
A 5 minute gap, not the same wave (I don't quite know how DTV works, but I assume that bot change, i.e. Bandit to Nomad means you respawn)
So, that means at the switchover, you were standing around for 3 minutes, 21 seconds (someone correct that, I'm probably wrong) before you were told off.
Now, that's the logs alone, and personally, having stood around for that long, and given that you were kicked earlier, I personally, wouldn't have bothered warning you again, I'd have booted you right off the bat. Just because you came around, doesn't mean you're not breaking the rules.
As Patoson says, if you need to go AFK, go to spectator, especially since you were kicked previously for it. Once is understand, twice is just pushing your luck.
My own person opinion, the ban was reasonable. 1 Hour is nothing.
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[15:49:46] msg,[ADMIN][Patoson] dont leech Frank
[15:49:55] kill,Frank_Of_Brack,Nomad,ranged,Tatar Bow,Tatar Arrows,hb_head
[15:50:21] msg,Patoson banned player Frank_Of_Brack for 1h. Reason: Leeching.
Doing nothing for 26 seconds seems reasonable for a ban to you? This only proves that I was not afk hence I didn't break the rule patoson said. There is no rule against standing still. There is a rule against leeching aka doing nothing which I did not do if you look at the logs above.
having stood around for that long
You do know the enemies that spawn has to come for you? Also there was a shieldwall holding off the attackers. I couldn't get them while not wounding my own teammates, prefer not to break the rules.
the ban was reasonable. 1 Hour is nothing.
The hour doesn't bother me. This ban is now on my record while I have done absolutely nothing wrong as shown in the logs.
If you really believe that this ban is reasonable then you can ban every player on DTV because I am pretty sure Patoson himself has been standing still for over 20 seconds.
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I admit that I have "stood AFK" sometimes in DTV, but it's just for a wave of the three, and it's to roll a cigarette, but then, for the rest of the round, I fight. Other times it might have been admin duty and other times I have clearly leeched, but, then, if I could, before the end of the round, or at the next one, I left the server as some sort of punishment (so I don't get the xp and gold) (kinda like kicking myself).
I try to avoid leeching myself, but sometimes you forget to go spectator or leave, but I think I don't do this very often, and the common cases are those where I roll for a wave then fight.
But the people I kick and ban for leeching, they do it for entire rounds, and I think they don't deserve the xp and gold if they do nothing to earn it.
I kicked you earlier today for that reason, and, this second time, every time I looked at you, you looked AFK. If I was wrong about that, I am sorry, but, like I said, if that is not good reason for you, consider your previous kicks for leeching and how you committed suicide on the previous map the reason.
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I accept the apology consider this thread done and dealt with
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You were afk before that between;
[15:46:25] kill,Nomad,dagu807,melee,Red Tassel Spear,hb_calf_l
[15:49:46] msg,[ADMIN][Patoson] dont leech Frank
Given that the first kill there is the nomad, being close enough for you to kill, and that the first thing with nomads, where you DIE was at;
[15:49:55] kill,Frank_Of_Brack,Nomad,ranged,Tatar Bow,Tatar Arrows,hb_head
that clearly shows that you weren't participating in the battle.
The logs show that you weren't responding, the last record of you beforehand was you again, dying to the bots;
[15:44:33] kill,Frank_Of_Brack,Bandit,melee,Maul,hb_spine
So, this whole incident spans roughly 6 minutes, for which you show in the logs only four times, one of which is Patoson banning you, the other, warning you and the other two where you died, having done nothing else. I'm strongly inclined to say that you were leeching, you did not respond nor did you kill anything, no one is that bad at level 30 with teammates around you.
The bottom line is, you're leeching, the logs back that story up, and the ban was miniscule, you broke the rules and thus you deal with the consequences.
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So how can I stop leeching after I died? I died in combat from a headshot by one of those HA this does clearly indicate that I was in combat. I am pretty sure that AI bot archers can't kill you from spawn when the shieldwall is covering you.
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Holy hell. One more time;
You were alive before the Bandit killed you, when the bandit killed you @ [15:44:33] you waited until roughly 10 seconds after [15:45:46] (when the last bandit died) to spawn, the first Nomad was killed at [15:46:25], therefore close enough for you to kill.
Next thing that happens is Patoson warning you for leeching @ [15:49:46] before you die again @ [15:49:55] and finally you're banned @ [15:50:21].
So, you had ample opportunity between 15:46:25 to 15:49:46 between the time the first nomad was killed to the time you were warned to be active, to do "something", you were warned and then died before finally being booted from the server.
I cannot make it any more simple for you to understand that all the evidence is against you, the only reason I've put this much effort into explaining this is because it is not my ban, I was asked to present the logs as an impartial admin, with only the evidence to make judgement on, and that evidence supports the ban.
I'm locking this thread, the ban was justified, I cannot put this in any more of a plain way.