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Title: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: N8te on April 10, 2014, 11:08:00 am
Am I the only one who feels this way? All I've been doing is trying to keep up repair costs while trying to retire as well.  I see everyone trading hundreds of thousands of gold plus dozens of LP's on the marketplace and I feel like I will NEVER get to that point. I know they've been playing since the beginning, but this mod isn't very noob friendly for such a tight-knit community/playerbase...

I honestly don't think I'll ever see a MW weapon to call my own. Any advice?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Tzar on April 10, 2014, 11:09:41 am
Join Byzantium, we have like 123 mw items in our armory  :lol:

Actually that's 213 mw items an only 103 is available atm  :P
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: N8te on April 10, 2014, 11:49:55 am
Join Byzantium, we have like 123 mw items in our armory  :lol:

Actually that's 213 mw items an only 103 is available atm  :P

Are you guys NA?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Tzar on April 10, 2014, 12:00:25 pm
no
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on April 10, 2014, 12:40:57 pm
Here is one of my previous replies to an old similar post. My setup changed a little bit but the point stands. You should sell the very first loompoint you get, so that you have enough gold to try out any gear without worrying about upkeep, and then you should accumulate enough to get yourself a +3 item. Remember that 2 loompoints and some gold (100 to 150k) can get you a masterwork on the market. Also, you may take Tzar's offer and join them to benefit from their armory. Our armory is much much smaller and humbler but know that our doors are open to you as well. There is masterwork stuff in the armory you can freely use.

Also note that the upkeep sum of individual items is a major factor to take into account. If you have, for example, 4 pieces of armor (head, body, hand, feet) and a weapon with each of them coming with 500ish upkeep, you are likely to suffer at least a steady 500 gold everytime. And frequently, that will be 1000 and 1500. My advice is to keep the distribution low. Preferably, have only 1 item with high upkeep and use other items with 200-300ish upkeep. Also, I wouldn't even pay much attention to hand and feet armor.

I know you would like to use fancy gear and look fabulous in it. But financing good gear is a tricky bet that might drag you down. You will have to run after multi and valor all the time and it is not always possible to get it. I advise you to just accumulate some gold before you try to deal with high upkeep.

Another good advice is to play in lower gear and shift to better gear when you are on x5 or x4.

Also, here is my humble setup, with which I am doing quite fine and earning steadily even if I might spend the whole day with x1 from time to time.

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Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: N8te on April 10, 2014, 12:50:04 pm
Here is one of my previous replies to an old similar post. My setup changed a little bit but the point stands. I take it that you sell your loompoints. You should sell the very first loompoint you get, so that you have enough gold to try out any gear without worrying about upkeep, and then you should accumulate enough to get yourself a +3 item. Remember that 2 loompoints and some gold (100 to 150k) can get you a masterwork on the market. Also, you may take Tzar's offer and join them to benefit from their armory. Our armory is much much smaller and humbler but know that our doors are open to you as well. There is masterwork stuff in the armory you can freely use.

Wow thanks for the info man, I will probably sell my first LP then. Sounds like the better path to go. Thanks man! :D
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: //saxon on April 10, 2014, 01:16:38 pm
Join Byzantium, we have like 123 mw items in our armory  :lol:

Actually that's 213 mw items an only 103 is available atm  :P
Nordmen bigger!
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Butan on April 10, 2014, 02:07:42 pm
When you feel the game is a "Constantly poor, endless grind..." its time to play something else.


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Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: HarryCrumb on April 10, 2014, 03:39:43 pm
Hey N8te,

Look into joining Ravens, we're a Nordic themed NA clan that has a massive armory that is always looking for new members. Check out our faction page for our TS info and hop on to get to know more about us!

Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on April 10, 2014, 04:28:17 pm
Wow thanks for the info man, I will probably sell my first LP then. Sounds like the better path to go. Thanks man! :D

You are welcome dude. You should take a look at this very thread too: http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/gold-gain-vs-repairs/msg953470/#msg953470
It is the thread from which I quoted myself in my previous post. Lots of useful information there too.

Also, make sure you don't miss dear Heskey's helping hand here. He is offering you a loompoint. Just add a trade on the marketplace and ask for 1 loompoint in return for throwing stones.
(I know I am basically just repeating Heskey here. Just want to make sure N8te didn't miss it.)
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Macropus on April 10, 2014, 10:51:30 pm
How is upkeep a problem unless you're playing expensive classes like cavalry?
I mean, you could just use a cheaper equipment, no?
Would save you some money so that you could buy a +3 weapon for just 2 loompoints plus some gold.
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: N8te on April 11, 2014, 02:50:12 am
Go on then, have a loom.

Put a deal on marketplace offering stones for a loom, post the link to that trade here and i'll buy it later.

Wow thank you man, I remember you helping me out a few months back too. You're awesome.

Join Byzantium, we have like 123 mw items in our armory  :lol:

Actually that's 213 mw items an only 103 is available atm  :P

Hey N8te,

Look into joining Ravens, we're a Nordic themed NA clan that has a massive armory that is always looking for new members. Check out our faction page for our TS info and hop on to get to know more about us!



And thanks for the guild invites as well!

Tzar, Unfortunately I'm an NA player so I don't think I'd be able to join your guild, I have too shit of ping on EU. But thank you for the offer man. :D

Harry, I'll check you guys out. Sounds fun, and I always see you guys on NA so you guys seem pretty active.
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: MeatBunny on April 11, 2014, 03:52:26 pm
Keep your upkeep low dude. I wear a gambeson with some cheap boots and gloves and a mail coif. My K/D on my account is 1.8 (that's not too shabby for being cheap). Don't armor crutch, too expensive.
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: joshuapago on April 30, 2014, 07:20:02 pm
You could try going with non-expensive stuff and armour, that is what I do and it helps a ton since when you reach lvl 25 you have to repair stuff...
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Baskakov_Dima on May 03, 2014, 07:32:49 pm
Just go and pay DTV (Defend the Viscount) - you get tones of XP and money there, and you can even be useful with level like 10 there.
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Ujio on May 06, 2014, 03:03:01 pm
Here is one of my previous replies to an old similar post. My setup changed a little bit but the point stands. You should sell the very first loompoint you get, so that you have enough gold to try out any gear without worrying about upkeep, and then you should accumulate enough to get yourself a +3 item. Remember that 2 loompoints and some gold (100 to 150k) can get you a masterwork on the market. Also, you may take Tzar's offer and join them to benefit from their armory. Our armory is much much smaller and humbler but know that our doors are open to you as well. There is masterwork stuff in the armory you can freely use.

How much do loom points tend to go for?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Rico on May 06, 2014, 03:21:04 pm
The last one got sold for 340k

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Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Ujio on May 07, 2014, 01:57:37 pm
Not sure I get you.
Why wouldn't it be worth selling?
How would I go about getting a +3 after 2 retires?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Mlekce on May 07, 2014, 02:46:20 pm
57h 70b 60l
Armor
2/4
Slots
48,896 gold
Cost
3,420 gold
Upkeep (max)


And i make money with it. I earned 20k so far. Ofc i loose sometimes gold,but next day i get back what i lost.
You have problems because you are not in strong clan. Try joining byz,grey,eques,drz or some other clan that plays gamemode you like to play.
Eu2 is a gold sink,better play on eu1 and learn to survive longer.
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: F i n on May 07, 2014, 02:51:53 pm
U neee money? Krems has money. Put up moneyoffer. Or ban. (300k)
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Ujio on May 07, 2014, 02:58:31 pm
Many +3 items on the marketplace are sold for 2 looms + some gold, like 150k gold.

If you use gear that allows you to make gold then after 2 entire generations you'll easily have enough to buy a +3 of your choice on the marketplace.

Cheers for the explanation.
So if you were offering 1 loom point in exchange for a Masterwork/Lordly,
how much would you be expected to pay along with it?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Macropus on May 07, 2014, 03:26:49 pm
Cheers, for the explanation.
So if you were offering 1 loom point in exchange for a Masterwork/Lordly,
how much would you be expected to pay along with it?
Depends on what masterwork.
I have some experience with marketplace and I can say sometimes you can buy a +3 item for mere 650k gold (which equials ~ 1 loompoint + 300k), then you trade it for a better item, then again, so you end up with having a top-tier masterwork item for 650k, yet you can sell it for around 900k.

But on the topic, the best way to go for beginner is to retire 2 times and buy a good masterwork weapon (unless you play cav, then - a horse) for 2 lpts + 50-150k.
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Ujio on May 07, 2014, 03:35:46 pm
But on the topic, the best way to go for beginner is to retire 2 times and buy a good masterwork weapon (unless you play cav, then - a horse) for 2 lpts + 50-150k.

I'm hearing people say, that after your first retirement,
rather than use your loom point to +1 an item, you're better off offering
your loom point on the market for a +1 item and some gold. Is that true?

Also, I'm seeing an awful lot of people saying it's better to loom gauntlets before
body armor. Why is that?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Macropus on May 07, 2014, 06:03:43 pm
I'm hearing people say, that after your first retirement,
rather than use your loom point to +1 an item, you're better off offering
your loom point on the market for a +1 item and some gold. Is that true?
It might be true since, after some recent patch, you get the most bonus when you +1 an item, at +2 and +3 it only gets smaller bonuses.
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Now as I think about it, it might really be the best way to trade a loompoint for +1 item plus some gold. The only problem I see is that there are not too much +1 items on the market, so it might take some time. If you don't find someone to trade with for the next generation after retirement, then trade 2 loompoints + gold for a +3 item, that should take not much time.

Also, I'm seeing an awful lot of people saying it's better to loom gauntlets before
body armor. Why is that?
The main reason is probably that having a +3 gauntlets is much more versatile thing than having a +3 armour. People often change their outfits, and it's not easy to trade a full +3 set for another full +3 set, but since you can use most gauntlets with most sets, you will most likely not have to trade it. You can use the same gauntlets as an archer, as a cavalry or any other build. Thats why gauntlets cost just a little less than raw 3 loompoints and are the most expensive part of armour on the market.
However, loomed body armour gives you +5 to body and +5 to legs, while gauntlets only give +5 body armour. People often seem to underestimate the leg armour importance, but to me the armour bonus of body armours seems to be more important.

Anyway, my main point is: don't loom anything by yourself unless it's a very rare thing that is unlikely to be traded on the marketplace. And since body armour is cheaper than gauntlets - get body armour first.
Well, then again, after this patch I'm not so sure it's not worth it to loom something by yourself... need to think about it.
What weapon are you going to loom, by the way?
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Fredom on May 07, 2014, 08:34:18 pm
Lol, I felt this in my beginning time but now I got looms left, have mw item/s and one or two weeks ago I had 1.57million gold, now, as an archer I have reached 1.6million today... :mrgreen:
Hope you'll pass your 'poor time' and change to 'I dont care about upkeep'
Title: Re: Constantly poor, endless grind...
Post by: Ujio on May 07, 2014, 11:34:58 pm
Cheers for the detailed explanation.

I'm thinking of either looming a Ranseur or Heavy Japanese
lamellar armor.