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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: WITCHCRAFT on March 26, 2014, 09:06:23 am
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Eastern horse has so many reasons for no one to ever use it. First of all, the eastern horse has a difficulty requirement of 8 riding. Hardly anyone levels riding skill up this high. Only dedicated horse archer/xbow or dedicated light cav can even use this horse. It is the only item in the game that requires 24 of a stat and 8 points in a skill to use.
The eastern horse has speed and maneuver stats that look tempting. However, there's no reason for light cav to pick it over a courser - speed bonus is king when you are couching or lancing. The arabian horse is slightly cheaper with 4 more maneuver and 3 less speed. Seems like a viable choice... but then you look at the other stats. Less HP and less armor than a fucking sumpter horse. Less charge damage than a rouncey. It is so weak that it will die when you look at it wrong. The donkey has equal HP and 1 less armor.
Should the eastern horse be buffed? Even with better stats, I doubt that would convince people to go for a build with 8 riding. For the vast majority of the population, this horse isn't even possible to use. Maybe reducing the riding cost to 6 or 7 and tweaking other stats to bring it up to parity with the arabian? Overbuffing could lead to HA supremacy, but I think that it should be reworked into an equal alternative of the arabian horse.
As it stands now, the eastern horse is never used. It fills no niche role. The only thing it's good at is dieing.
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I agree that the eastern horse and arabian are too different, but the problem imo is not that the eastern is bad, but rather than the fairy pony (gayrabian) is fucking bullcrap. Nerf them both!
Also, fucking cav OP
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From NA card thread
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If it is UP then nerf the others until it is no longer UP
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Give it c4 so you can ride it into someone and blow it up.
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Give it c4 so you can ride it into someone and blow it up.
It already has the wings, just give them a hitbox and damage value of 55c. http://imageshack.com/a/img850/2013/wingsb.png
On a more serious note, fix the damn model and then fix the darn stats or just remove it from the game and add one of those DaveUKR's horses. Right now the Eastern Horse has a model that has partial plate armor, but the same armor value as a donkey.. 44 speed, 44 maneuver would be pretty nice option imo, but it has to have at least the same armor value as the Arabian Gokart.
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Should rebalance as a 7 riding horse. Arabian is best horse in game (on battle servers) IMO, but it's still not worth it to go 7 riding. I can't imagine any fool going 8 riding (unless they are horse crossbow, but even then I'd still use the arabian).
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One thing is extremely funny, it costs more than arabian. The horse requirement is irrelevant, as it's a shittier and more expensive horse already.
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it will never happen, you can beg and grovel all you want, i did it, and they never did shit.
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/eastern-horsez!/
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while i say the arabian ist too strong, the eastern horse is by far to weak. At least it should be cheaper with this stats
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It could have better armour, HP, charge, and make it cheaper, and it still fit within balance.
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it will never happen, you can beg and grovel all you want, i did it, and they never did shit.
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/eastern-horsez!/
I can't remember if Tydeus was doing item balance by then, but I think he wasn't yet. Between him and San, I feel that bringing up old issues that haven't been addressed is worth it again.
Does anyone use an eastern horse at all, ever? I haven't seen one in-game for months.
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I can't remember if Tydeus was doing item balance by then, but I think he wasn't yet. Between him and San, I feel that bringing up old issues that haven't been addressed is worth it again.
Does anyone use an eastern horse at all, ever? I haven't seen one in-game for months.
Pretty sure the horse stats was Tydeus in the first place, who thought better stats would make it overpowered, and figured it would be the best horse in the game. Battle server reality showed that its simply never used ever because its too weak and requirements too high, but it hasn't been rebalanced since.
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I can't remember if Tydeus was doing item balance by then, but I think he wasn't yet. Between him and San, I feel that bringing up old issues that haven't been addressed is worth it again.
Does anyone use an eastern horse at all, ever? I haven't seen one in-game for months.
yes he was, but when i presented the issue, though he might have been trolling, he claimed it was too good and needed a nerf if anything.
I think im probably one of the only players who uses/used it on the NA servers, and as far as im aware, there are only 3 people who own a +3 eastern, Mcdeath, Sdzkfln, and myself. Those two only use it to be an annoying HX.
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yes he was, but when i presented the issue, though he might have been trolling, he claimed it was too good and needed a nerf if anything.
I think im probably one of the only players who uses/used it on the NA servers, and as far as im aware, there are only 3 people who own a +3 eastern, Mcdeath, Sdzkfln, and myself. Those two only use it to be an annoying HX.
To be fair sdfjkln has nearly ever horse in the game loomed. Our clan stables are bitchin.
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I can't remember if Tydeus was doing item balance by then, but I think he wasn't yet. Between him and San, I feel that bringing up old issues that haven't been addressed is worth it again.
Does anyone use an eastern horse at all, ever? I haven't seen one in-game for months.
I used it, it got one shot.
Back to armored horses.
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Hahaha its so shit, its actually hilarious.
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When I was HA ages ago, I had 8 riding (mostly because I already had 24 agi for 4 HA skill). I would have loved to use the eastern horse if it had more HP. More armor would be nice, but just more HP would be enough to make it viable. Speed and maneuver stats are great but it dies so fast that it isn't worth all the speed and turning ability in the world.The steppe horse and desert horse are pretty frail, but they worked alright for me. At least bring it up to par with them...
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Well, in general the reward for going over 5 riding is pretty awful anyway. It should probably be looked in to.
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Well, in general the reward for going over 5 riding is pretty awful anyway. It should probably be looked in to.
I disagree. But if you insist, my 8 riding HA won't complain.
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i put money on it, nothing in the new patch will have anything to do with the eastern horse.
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+1 Definitely needs a buff.