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Title: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: NJ_Legion_Icedtea on March 19, 2014, 03:22:17 pm
So I was just looking at the stats of the Spathion and Long Arming Sword.

The Spathion has 1 more cut and pierce damage but the LAS has +2 speed and is much cheaper!
To me the LAS seems the nicer choice but I love the model of the Spathion.
Is it really worth it?
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: San on March 19, 2014, 03:34:47 pm
The spathion has a 2 pierce advantage when loomed to +3. I'd say the tradeoff is worth it, although which one you should use is up to your preference.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Soldier_of_God on March 19, 2014, 06:24:42 pm
Spathion has better stab and cut, but loses 2 speed. If you are looking for superior damage, get the spathion (I just traded up to a MW Spathion from a MW Knightly). if you are looking for superior speed and cut, consider the nord chapion's sword or the broad 1 handed axe.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: HarunYahya on March 19, 2014, 06:43:27 pm
Long Arming Sword is one of the best 1h swords.
It's upkeep is low,fast,long and powerful enough.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: NJ_Legion_Icedtea on March 19, 2014, 07:03:32 pm
in that case how much WP would be enough for the Spathion?
(however I suppose all 1h are pretty fast)
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Macropus on March 19, 2014, 08:07:16 pm
155 WP (6WM) felt nice for me, but the more the better.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on March 19, 2014, 08:32:22 pm
Remember that this game is about who hits faster, not who hits harder.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 20, 2014, 05:51:42 pm
Quote from: NJ_Legion_Icedtea on March 19, 2014, 03:22:17 pm
So I was just looking at the stats of the Spathion and Long Arming Sword.

The Spathion has 1 more cut and pierce damage but the LAS has +2 speed and is much cheaper!
To me the LAS seems the nicer choice but I love the model of the Spathion.
Is it really worth it?

Go in between and get the Knightly Arming Sword, best sword in game (I'm biased).
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Jarlek on March 20, 2014, 06:54:37 pm
Quote from: NJ_Legion_Icedtea on March 19, 2014, 03:22:17 pm
So I was just looking at the stats of the Spathion and Long Arming Sword.

The Spathion has 1 more cut and pierce damage but the LAS has +2 speed and is much cheaper!
To me the LAS seems the nicer choice but I love the model of the Spathion.
Is it really worth it?
You prefer the look of the spathion over LAS? You disgust me...

Quote from: koyama on March 19, 2014, 06:43:27 pm
Long Arming Sword is one of the best 1h swords.
It's upkeep is low,fast,long and powerful enough.
LAS one of the best 1h swords? Not really cause of the low damage. But the price, reach and speed makes it by far THE best secondary 1h. Do you use your hammer/mace/pick 99% of the time? Take the LAS as your secondary for those occacions when reach is more important than damage (aka, fighting light armoured AGI guys).

Personally I usually go with military hammer, LAS, khyber knife (gotta look cool!) and a shield. Great for both infantry and cav.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Macropus on March 20, 2014, 11:26:32 pm
Quote from: Jarlek on March 20, 2014, 06:54:37 pm
Take the LAS as your secondary for those occacions when reach is more important than damage (aka, fighting light armoured AGI guys).
Honestly I can't imagine how that could be effective. I mean, the heat of battle, you see a fast moving guy. "Oh, he's gonna attack me, I better switch to my sword". Agi guy runs past you. "Oh he's not, where is my steel pick...".

Carrying additional 1.7 kg just for an arguable advantage of reach in some very limited cases doesn't seem worthy to me.
You'd want to have some more use of a weapon you have to carry with you all the time (like horse rearing in case of spears).
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Jona on March 21, 2014, 12:00:11 am
The spathion is far superior simply due to its sexier model. Case closed.  :wink:
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Jarlek on March 21, 2014, 01:14:07 am
Quote from: Macropus on March 20, 2014, 11:26:32 pm
Honestly I can't imagine how that could be effective. I mean, the heat of battle, you see a fast moving guy. "Oh, he's gonna attack me, I better switch to my sword". Agi guy runs past you. "Oh he's not, where is my steel pick...".

Carrying additional 1.7 kg just for an arguable advantage of reach in some very limited cases doesn't seem worthy to me.
You'd want to have some more use of a weapon you have to carry with you all the time (like horse rearing in case of spears).
Two questions for ya:
1. What are you smoking?
2. Why are you not sharing?

You already got a 5+ weight shield slowing your ass down, so that 1.7 extra weight doesn't really matter unless you are high agi, super runner. And while a spear is nice against cav, a nice long (arming) sword is almost just as good, especially if you don't have pole wpf (or, you can just, like, jump to the side and dodge 99% of incoming cav).

You don't switch weapon as someone is attacking you, but if you start fighting and you realize/recognize that the enemy will just hold S key all day long, together with some kicks, you can just take a step back and safely switch. If you are in a situation where switching weapons will give the enemy a free hit, you are also in a situation where you're short weapon is also inside range of him. Or if all fails, jump, backpedal yourself or shove the enemy away and then switch.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: HarunYahya on March 21, 2014, 01:32:19 am
Quote from: Jarlek on March 20, 2014, 06:54:37 pm
LAS one of the best 1h swords? Not really cause of the low damage. But the price, reach and speed makes it by far THE best secondary 1h.
Low damage ? 25p 30c is low ? What the fuck are you using Jarlek one handed flamberge ?

LAS=        25p 30c speed = 98 7k
KAS=        24p 31c speed = 97 97
Spathion=26p 31c speed = 96 10k

All 3 has same lenght.

If you ask me LAS is superior to those 3 .

+1 cut +1 pierce damage aren't enough to compansate 2 speed difference and nearly double upkeep.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Cicero on March 21, 2014, 09:58:52 am
Quote from: Nightmare798 on March 19, 2014, 08:32:22 pm
Remember that this game is about who hits faster, not who hits harder.
Let me 1 hit you.

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Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Phew on March 21, 2014, 02:37:31 pm
I always considered Spathion/Paramerion/ACS to be cavalry weapons, since a slow weapon actually gives you an advantage on horseback (the swing "hangs out there" longer, so you have a bigger window to hit people).

With the nerfed sideswing sweetspots, I find that slow 1h swords are even harder to use than before for infantry. Everyone and their mother is polearm now, and pole now has that lightning-fast overhead (coupled with the right swing which has always been crazy fast), so with a slow 1h you have to sit there forever waiting for your swings to connect (since you can't really turn into your sideswings anymore). Meanwhile your agi polearm opponent has already swung at you 6 times.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Penitent on March 21, 2014, 03:17:32 pm
Quote from: Macropus on March 20, 2014, 11:26:32 pm
Honestly I can't imagine how that could be effective. I mean, the heat of battle, you see a fast moving guy. "Oh, he's gonna attack me, I better switch to my sword". Agi guy runs past you. "Oh he's not, where is my steel pick...".

Carrying additional 1.7 kg just for an arguable advantage of reach in some very limited cases doesn't seem worthy to me.
You'd want to have some more use of a weapon you have to carry with you all the time (like horse rearing in case of spears).


No way man.  Sometimes you just know that the guy approching from the distance is a super fast ninja dude.  Or maybe he's fighitng one of your teamies, and you see him spamming and S-keying his ass off.  You know -- he's a super fast light armored spam attack ninja machine, and you're going to have trouble hitting him.

That's when you do it.

You move your mouse wheel slightly to pull out your FLY SWATTER™.  It just takes a split second, but you go from slow-moving shield turtle to a slow-moving shield turtle with really long arms.  It helps a lot.  Try it, you might like it.

In terms of which sword to use, I always say speed is king.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Phew on March 21, 2014, 03:37:25 pm
Yeah, the benefits to carrying multiple weapons always outweigh the negatives. I'll never understand the people that run around with 2 free slots then complain about cav/archers/shielders/kiters/whatever. Bring a spear/shield/axe/xbow you idiots!
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 21, 2014, 03:47:20 pm
To be fair Phew, Macropus did suggest using a spear/spear-like weapon as a secondary weapon.  He suggested it was more useful than carrying another 1h weapon.  But there's pro's and con's to both points of view.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Phew on March 21, 2014, 04:03:39 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on March 21, 2014, 03:47:20 pm
To be fair Phew, Macropus did suggest using a spear/spear-like weapon as a secondary weapon.  He suggested it was more useful than carrying another 1h weapon.  But there's pro's and con's to both points of view.

Yeah, I wasn't disputing Macropus; a spear is the proper sidearm if deterring cavalry if your objective (although a long 1h stabbing sword is a pretty good deterrent as well). My rant was aimed more at the min-maxers with empty slots that always complain about x class.

I alternate between a broad 1h axe and a heavy xbow with my free slots, depending if I'm on siege attack or D, respectively. Those options cover nearly every scenario you're likely to encounter in siege (pierce secondary mode for tin cans, xbow for enemy ranged, axe for shielders, etc.). The only class I feel ill-equipped to handle is agility polearmers, which unfortunately are everywhere now. I suppose I'd need a longer 1h sword as my primary weapon to have a prayer against them.
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Jarlek on March 21, 2014, 08:08:29 pm
Quote from: koyama on March 21, 2014, 01:32:19 am
Low damage ? 25p 30c is low ? What the fuck are you using Jarlek one handed flamberge ?

LAS=        25p 30c speed = 98 7k
KAS=        24p 31c speed = 97 97
Spathion=26p 31c speed = 96 10k

All 3 has same lenght.

If you ask me LAS is superior to those 3 .

+1 cut +1 pierce damage aren't enough to compansate 2 speed difference and nearly double upkeep.
My LAS is 33c speed (+3), my military hammer is 31b (+3).

That's a pretty big damage difference on anyone not naked.

1h swords in general have pretty low damage. 33c (even at +0) on anything but a 1h is just considered ridiculously low, and I always used to take a look at my longsword and my long arming sword and just be baffled at the difference (especially since longsword used to be CHEAPER than LAS).
Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on March 22, 2014, 10:00:07 pm
Quote from: Cicero on March 21, 2014, 09:58:52 am
Let me 1 hit you.

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Title: Re: Spathion vs Long Arming Sword
Post by: NJ_Legion_Icedtea on March 25, 2014, 02:21:08 am
Decision was Spathion in the end.
Thoughts so far are I like it, its pretty nice, especially when I got a bit more accustomed to the length of it