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Title: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 15, 2014, 11:53:12 am


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****USHKURU****

A few days back the lovely green and good village of Ushkuru was given to the free men and women of Calradia, a free trading fief, a place to rest and a place to share an ale or two without being bothered by Shogunate Guards. The well known and trusted man Torben will be the one to handle the fief, and with him come followers to help him protect it from attacks.

All randomers and noclaners out there, small clans and clans that thinks this is a worthy cause - please stop by and trade or buy the loomed gear inside - also if you are able drop some soldiers in everytime so Torben has more to use for defence.

A day before it was given away the small people wearing dresses suddenly attacked it and we rushed to protect it from the men (short men) who call themselfs honorable and cannot say the letter R.

Now, if wewin this battle we are giving the fief away to Torben and the free men of Calradia



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Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Torben on March 15, 2014, 07:36:58 pm
Ill be on it from tomorrow on,  good lady grandmom.  Had some rl shit going on the last days.  Gl for tonight!

Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 15, 2014, 09:11:25 pm
The KalmarOnion stole this village (our homeland), one week ago, in a cowardly attack initiated after peace terms were offered. This village is Shogunate territory and will soon be retaken, I will negotiate with Torben on his 'stewardship' of the village so to speak; we will still encourage free traders here, and equipment will be free to buy for any and all.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 15, 2014, 09:59:45 pm
Free Trade Area = I don't have enough forces to control this area so do whatever you want  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: ARN_ on March 15, 2014, 10:10:37 pm
Free Trade Area = I don't have enough forces to control this area so do whatever you want  :mrgreen:
UIF = We are the biggest factions in strategus and control over half the players, but we have to ally and lick each others asses so we all can have a easy time and then look down on everyone else and tell ourself that we are so good :mrgreen:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Kalp on March 15, 2014, 10:19:14 pm
control over half the players

Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Bittersteel on March 15, 2014, 10:55:29 pm
y u do dis ppl? Its jst a gaim
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 15, 2014, 11:08:02 pm
Free Trade Area = I don't have enough forces to control this area so do whatever you want  :mrgreen:

We dont?  :mrgreen:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=570

Why dont you come and take it from us Harpag, since your lapdog cant........ 8-)

Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 15, 2014, 11:51:54 pm
We dont?  :mrgreen:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=570

Why dont you come and take it from us Harpag, since your lapdog cant........ 8-)

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=421

#BragWhenAppropriate
#SWAGYOLO
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Jarlek on March 16, 2014, 12:10:54 am
Waaaait, he seriously tries to give away fiefs he knows he wont control? While at the same time changing his night time settings so we have to fight 7 AM battles?

Stay classy!
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 12:17:47 am
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=421

#BragWhenAppropriate
#SWAGYOLO

Another fief, another clan, offtopic being your middlename or u just been sniffing to much of that sake that makes you short guys all fizzy in the head?
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 12:25:52 am
Waaaait, he seriously tries to give away fiefs he knows he wont control? While at the same time changing his night time settings so we have to fight 7 AM battles?

Stay classy!

Its not moving anywhere Jarlek, and neither are you guys - come get it instead of standing in Yalibe with a set of binoculars watching it from afar and shivering in your skirts - You have uncle Grey behind your backs covering you, alot of them actually  :mrgreen:

We are right here, bring it or stfu  :twisted:


Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Jarlek on March 16, 2014, 12:37:29 am
Its not moving anywhere Jarlek, and neither are you guys - come get it instead of standing in Yalibe with a set of binoculars watching it from afar and shivering in your skirts - You have uncle Grey behind your backs covering you, alot of them actually  :mrgreen:

We are right here, bring it or stfu  :twisted:
Waaaait, he seriously tries to give away fiefs he knows he wont control? While at the same time changing his night time settings so we have to fight 7 AM battles?

Stay classy!
I know reading (and pretty much everything) is hard for you swedes, but bolded part is because we are currently attacking you so GJ claiming we aren't attacking  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 01:04:21 am
I know reading (and pretty much everything) is hard for you swedes, but bolded part is because we are currently attacking you so GJ claiming we aren't attacking  :rolleyes:

What part dont you understand?

You claim we are giving away a fief cause we cant hold it - where do you see the signs of us not being able to hold it? In several days without troops inside you dared to send 300 men to take it.......and lost terribly ofc.......again.......put some effort into it, you call that attacking? - you have 1500 troops in Yalibe, use them or has your masters grounded you for your stupidity loosing their armies?

And about the nighttime settings, what are you babbleing on about? We attacked YOU at 7 for that battle, our nighttime had nothing to do with it, do you even know how strat works?

Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 01:17:20 am
Sorry Jarlek, just got home from work - didnt even see you had attacked teh fief again. And no, I havent changed my nighttime settings - so take the blame yourself m8
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 16, 2014, 01:31:01 am
What part dont you understand?

You claim we are giving away a fief cause we cant hold it - where do you see the signs of us not being able to hold it? In several days without troops inside you dared to send 300 men to take it.......and lost terribly ofc.......again.......put some effort into it, you call that attacking? - you have 1500 troops in Yalibe, use them or has your masters grounded you for your stupidity loosing their armies?

And about the nighttime settings, what are you babbleing on about? We attacked YOU at 7 for that battle, our nighttime had nothing to do with it, do you even know how strat works?

actually a 0.7kdr attacking a powerful village whilst armed only with peasant gear is pretty damn good if you ask me.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 16, 2014, 01:38:30 am
Grandmom version:

a) the Kalmar Union generously gives fief in the hands of free people
b)  bad UIF comes and attacks innocent free people .

Conclusion: Kalmars are good because they support freedom and democracy, and UIF and allies contemptuously called lapdogs, are bad.

Sophisticated intellectually. Simply outstanding!

reality:

a) Klamar Union loses control, so they're going to give fief to a free people.
b) in this way they trying to protect own ass, using free people as cannon fodder, + receive arguments to cheap propaganda for the gullible.

Conclusion: Kalmars cynically attempt to expose free people as a target, instead protect them, and for that they consider us and our allies as idiots.

Well done Grandmom  :wink:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 02:15:26 am
Grandmom version:

a) the Kalmar Union generously gives fief in the hands of free people
b)  bad UIF comes and attacks innocent free people .

Conclusion: Kalmars are good because they support freedom and democracy, and UIF and allies contemptuously called lapdogs, are bad.

Sophisticated intellectually. Simply outstanding!

reality:

a) Klamar Union loses control, so they're going to give fief to a free people.
b) in this way they trying to protect own ass, using free people as cannon fodder, + receive arguments to cheap propaganda for the gullible.

Conclusion: Kalmars cynically attempt to expose free people as a target, instead protect them, and for that they consider us and our allies as idiots.

Well done Grandmom  :wink:

Thanks Harpag  :wink:

However, you are wrong - Torben did get this offer already when he left Fisdnar in the north, he is now outside Ushkuru and so are his guys - count the days - the deal was settled early in the war, long before you netered it. We are not interessted in fiefs, you know this - we didnt keep that many fiefs in the last strat when I was leading the wolves either - you also know how we do campaigns, we know how you conduct campaigns.

So, we ARE giving fiefs away, Rduna and Ushkuru sofar not because we cant handle them, but because we dont want more fiefs than what we have claimed sofar, the rest will be given away - who knows, at some point we could give Suno to someone  :mrgreen:

Grandmom version:

a) the Kalmar Union generously gives fief in the hands of free people - yes we do, but only because we cant be arsed to take care of many fiefs
b)  bad UIF comes and attacks innocent free people  - Yes, actually it would be good if it looked that way  :D

Conclusion: Kalmars are good a fun clan to be in because they support freedom and democracy attack and try to make strat 5 a fun game , and UIF and allies contemptuously called lapdogs, are bad because they cant let go of their old alliances and make strat 5 a fun game

reality:

a) Klamar Union loses control wants to have many members free to attack, so they're going to give fiefs to a free people anyone NOT in the UIF.
b) in this way they trying to protect own ass have fun and make strat 5 fun, using free people as cannon fodder not needing to handle shitloads of fiefs, + receive arguments to cheap propaganda for the gullible + have many battles and actually have a challenge - which UIF seems to dread, challenges I mean.

We both now that after last strat, Kalmarunion could have just as easy been siding with UIF - you would probably have chosen that path if you were in my shoes, but since we want a challenge we didnt




Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 16, 2014, 02:50:05 am
You've convinced me. You're right. Fun is the most important, especially at the expense of others. I'm going to prepare backstab for Shogunate pfff  :wink:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: _GTX_ on March 16, 2014, 02:52:49 am
You've convinced me. You're right. Fun is the most important, especially at the expense of others. I'm going to prepare backstab for Shogunate pfff  :wink:

UIF every strat:
1. Make an alliance with the biggest factions and make sure that you have the biggest playerbase by far.
2. Gank up on smaller factions
3. Repeat, so that strat is always fun!

Fun fun!
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 16, 2014, 03:54:27 am
You've convinced me. You're right. Fun is the most important, especially at the expense of others. I'm going to prepare backstab for Shogunate pfff  :wink:

I KNEW IT YOU POLISH DOGS, I KNEW IT!

:D

oh, and kalmar, you can't have your cake and eat it. when i offered to stay out of a war between you and UIF; meaning ~~30 players, and 11 villages less to worry about (that's a lot), you threw it back in my face.
It was at that moment you lost the argument of "UIF has hundreds of members and it's really unfair!!1!".
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 08:14:24 am
I KNEW IT YOU POLISH DOGS, I KNEW IT!

:D

oh, and kalmar, you can't have your cake and eat it. when i offered to stay out of a war between you and UIF; meaning ~~30 players, and 11 villages less to worry about (that's a lot), you threw it back in my face.
It was at that moment you lost the argument of "UIF has hundreds of members and it's really unfair!!1!".

That is not an argument in my eyes, we declared war on a the biggest enemy and we knew that - end of story
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 08:15:17 am
You've convinced me. You're right. Fun is the most important, especially at the expense of others. I'm going to prepare backstab for Shogunate pfff  :wink:

Just be sure to bring in the DRZ on it so you dont go in all alone  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 16, 2014, 08:29:41 am
I KNEW IT YOU POLISH DOGS, I KNEW IT!

:D

oh, and kalmar, you can't have your cake and eat it. when i offered to stay out of a war between you and UIF; meaning ~~30 players, and 11 villages less to worry about (that's a lot), you threw it back in my face.
It was at that moment you lost the argument of "UIF has hundreds of members and it's really unfair!!1!".

Absolutely agree with you Corsair - if they want war with us, they should attack us instead you. I'm sorry, but they violently pushed you in my arms and now whether you like it or not, you have to be my lover hehehe... I don't know how you get away with this. I'm afraid it's very difficult and you're just unlucky. Life  :lol:

That is not an argument in my eyes, we declared war on a the biggest enemy and we knew that - end of story attacked Corsair...

ftfy  :)
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Mr.K. on March 16, 2014, 09:17:32 am
Just be sure to bring in the DRZ on it so you dont go in all alone  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Don't you worry, they are trying to get some rostering support at least from Astralis. UIF rosters not stronk enough :)

Also this war was started when Quincys asked us for help after Corsair had repeatedly told them he would "destroy them". Surely a faction that is a known Grey sympathizer, trades with our only enemy, expands to our borders and threatens our friendly neighbor is to be trusted? I myself was actually very sceptical before the war as I thought the Shogunate might have been stronger than we were. Now we can see that it's as badly led and poorly coordinated as Gr...some said before the war ;)
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 09:44:21 am
Truth is, as we talked many times last strat Harpag, your biggest issue was not being able to controll the center during early and mid game, Hetman and you told me this many times. This strat, after mercs claimed the Dhirim area - your lapdog nr 1 suddenly claimed it aswell.

And in the end it was the small clans that opened up strat 4 in your favour, since you werent able to yourselfs. In the end looking at it, you barely managed to do much in offence. Sure you talked about how you would take Grunvalder castle, Veluca and Dhirim - while you talked we took the whole north from a Apostates, sure they werent on top of their game so we had it easy, but still you didnt manage to do much. DRZ however did their part well.

This strat you were to make sure the center was in your hands, this way your trade with DRZ would be left alone and you would be able to use shogunates land as a freeway into any area of the map, without having to worry about Mercs closing in behind you.

If you were in our shoes, you would have attacked the Shogunates aswell - not taking the risk of being hit in the back while you make attacks beyond their border.



Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Nihtgenga on March 16, 2014, 10:48:20 am
Truth is, as we talked many times last strat Harpag, your biggest issue was not being able to controll the center during early and mid game, Hetman and you told me this many times. This strat, after mercs claimed the Dhirim area - your lapdog nr 1 suddenly claimed it aswell.

And in the end it was the small clans that opened up strat 4 in your favour, since you werent able to yourselfs. In the end looking at it, you barely managed to do much in offence. Sure you talked about how you would take Grunvalder castle, Veluca and Dhirim - while you talked we took the whole north from a Apostates, sure they werent on top of their game so we had it easy, but still you didnt manage to do much. DRZ however did their part well.

This strat you were to make sure the center was in your hands, this way your trade with DRZ would be left alone and you would be able to use shogunates land as a freeway into any area of the map, without having to worry about Mercs closing in behind you.

If you were in our shoes, you would have attacked the Shogunates aswell - not taking the risk of being hit in the back while you make attacks beyond their border.

all the bullshit, propaganda and qq in strategus beside this makes a lot of sense just looking at the map...
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Nihtgenga on March 16, 2014, 11:30:32 am
I agree wholeheartedly with what Harpag said in another thread, Western European superfriends have the manpower, but never work together well enough to use it.

we had that for some strat rounds, no fun in having 2 big blocks...not saying it is more fun this way but meh. The hope that UIF brakes up had never died, at least for me. Because at the end of the day there is no need for the UIF. We have seen through various strats that the smaller factions which could be fighting together against UIF fought each other. Which is great to some point because it prevents the 2 big blocks thing. This just proves my point that there is no strategic necessity for the UIF.

Generally I am not involved in strat besides fighting in battles and I am even less involved in Fenris diplomacy or tactics!

Just out of curiosity, who would QQ and why exactly if Fenris entered this war?
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 12:22:26 pm
We knew beforehand what we did when we declared war on the UIF, and we are fine with that - I am not trying to QQ about it, what I am trying to do is to explain why we, from our perspective, had to attack the Shogunates. Nothing else
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 12:54:30 pm
actually a 0.7kdr attacking a powerful village whilst armed only with peasant gear is pretty damn good if you ask me.

Yes yes, noone doubts your supreme awesome powerfullness  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 16, 2014, 01:51:49 pm
Tbh we have lost very little this war. In the face of overwhelming odds we managed to retreat 90% of our money, weapons and soldiers back to yalibe.

I know you keep congratulating yourself on this amazing military victory, but in effect you snagged a few undefended villages and took one caravan, hardly napoleon in europe ... :p.

edit: also heskey, we originally wanted to remain neutral for more fun, it was kalmar attacking us with 2:1 tickets which forced us to make strat 5 into another 'block wars' game
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Zaharist on March 16, 2014, 02:09:44 pm
*delete this one please*  :cry:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 02:12:13 pm
Tbh we have lost very little this war. In the face of overwhelming odds we managed to retreat 90% of our money, weapons and soldiers back to yalibe.

I know you keep congratulating yourself on this amazing military victory, but in effect you snagged a few undefended villages and took one caravan, hardly napoleon in europe ... :p.

Not sure I follow, its mostly you saying how great you have done despite this and that and if only this and that would have happened you would have pushed us back into NA by now - in short we were lucky and you were brilliant.

We all know that what soldiers you have left are reinforcements from GO - so if you saved 90% of your soldiers Im not following

We all know we got around 4000 goods from you sofar - not because we were brilliant but because you are stupid (even some of your clanmates and GO/DRZ says that btw)

We all know you have lost 9 villages: Rduna, Tosdhar, Tadsamesh, Ehlerdah, Amere, Ushkuru, Thsibtin, Saren, Sarimish
GO has given you back Tshibtin, Kapis will give you back Sarimish I guess, DRZ will give you back Saren perhaps if they dont wipe you of the map since you have threatened them earlier and stole their S/D (which could lead me to explain your diplo skills but I wont)

Shall we see how many troops you have lost sofar?

Shogunates lost: 7763 troops sofar (if that is 10% that means you had alot of little men in dresses before we attacked)

We did average sofar in this campaign I would say - you did hilariously bad in most aspects - try finding someone that would disagree  :mrgreen:

Kisses and hugs
GRANNY


Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Zaharist on March 16, 2014, 02:32:31 pm
*delete*  :cry:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 02:41:59 pm
@ Zaharist:

"The commander of the forces of a large State may be carried off,
but the will of even a common man cannot be taken from him."
- Confucius

@Corsair

"To see the right and not to do it is cowardice."
- Confucius
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 16, 2014, 02:57:10 pm
If you were in our shoes, you would have attacked the Shogunates aswell - not taking the risk of being hit in the back while you make attacks beyond their border.

That's true ... but reportedly I'm bad, and you are nice and good, so I can do bad things, and you should not...  :) :) :)

And now to the point: I believe in you and your abilities. I expect that you politically unite east and we will do a great war with all the fireworks.

If you do not, you will be disciplinary wiped. Deal?  :twisted:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: _GTX_ on March 16, 2014, 03:00:18 pm
That's true ... but reportedly I'm bad, and you are nice and good, so I can do bad things, and you should not...  :) :) :)

And now to the point: I believe in you and your abilities. I expect that you politically unite east and we will do a great war with all the fireworks.

If you do not, you will be disciplinary wiped. Deal?  :twisted:
As stated earlier, gz on the playerbase!
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 16, 2014, 03:01:27 pm
the vast majority of our casualties were unarmed lol, you can hardly throw the "7000" number at us when we've lost lots of guys unarmed with 100 troops, as well as the 200 troops for every village and the 500 unarmed in ushkuru (10*200 + 300 = 2300), then the 500 unarmed troops greys gave us which were intercepted, AND we were easily the faction which lost the most troops attacking villages in the early game.

regardless of any of this, i see very little reason to argue with you grandmom, you say nothing but these paranoid fantasies of "GREY ORDER GAVE YOU 1 MILLION BILLION SOLDIERS!!1!!", and besides that yourself and your clanmates (read, gtx and arn), don't seem able to refrain from personal insults against me and my clan.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: _GTX_ on March 16, 2014, 03:34:13 pm
the vast majority of our casualties were unarmed lol, you can hardly throw the "7000" number at us when we've lost lots of guys unarmed with 100 troops, as well as the 200 troops for every village and the 500 unarmed in ushkuru (10*200 + 300 = 2300), then the 500 unarmed troops greys gave us which were intercepted, AND we were easily the faction which lost the most troops attacking villages in the early game.

regardless of any of this, i see very little reason to argue with you grandmom, you say nothing but these paranoid fantasies of "GREY ORDER GAVE YOU 1 MILLION BILLION SOLDIERS!!1!!", and besides that yourself and your clanmates (read, gtx and arn), don't seem able to refrain from personal insults against me and my clan.
When did I insult you in this thread? I fail to see any insults directed at you.

The irony in this is mindblowing. Personal insults is the thing that you have done against me for a long time, so i thought that you know would what a personal insult actually is. Oh well. All I can say is.... welcome to my world.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 03:45:02 pm
That's true ... but reportedly I'm bad, and you are nice and good, so I can do bad things, and you should not...  :) :) :)

And now to the point: I believe in you and your abilities. I expect that you politically unite east and we will do a great war with all the fireworks.

If you do not, you will be disciplinary wiped. Deal?  :twisted:

I wont unite the east, since the east cant be united - it has been tried before. Unification takes leaders, I dont wanna lead the entire east, I have a life - hell I dont even lead the Kalmarunion alone - a council does. But if we can get brothers to stand next to us and fight we are happy and strat would reach new heights this round.

Yes, we will fight until we die and then rise again, so wipe me of the map - why are you being so carefull? You dont have to fear us, however I have heard mumbleing about players in your clan getting tired of making replays of strat every round - some have left and lots are talking. Well you know what I mean Im sure, perhaps thats why you are so cautious in your advances and slow at taking fiefs. Look at DRZ - they have some organisation and dedication within their lines.

Could it be the great Grey order is starting crumbleing under your autistic way of chosing allies??  8-)
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 03:46:30 pm
the vast majority of our casualties were unarmed lol, you can hardly throw the "7000" number at us when we've lost lots of guys unarmed with 100 troops, as well as the 200 troops for every village and the 500 unarmed in ushkuru (10*200 + 300 = 2300), then the 500 unarmed troops greys gave us which were intercepted, AND we were easily the faction which lost the most troops attacking villages in the early game.

regardless of any of this, i see very little reason to argue with you grandmom, you say nothing but these paranoid fantasies of "GREY ORDER GAVE YOU 1 MILLION BILLION SOLDIERS!!1!!", and besides that yourself and your clanmates (read, gtx and arn), don't seem able to refrain from personal insults against me and my clan.

Buhu
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: ARN_ on March 16, 2014, 04:04:03 pm
the vast majority of our casualties were unarmed lol, you can hardly throw the "7000" number at us when we've lost lots of guys unarmed with 100 troops, as well as the 200 troops for every village and the 500 unarmed in ushkuru (10*200 + 300 = 2300), then the 500 unarmed troops greys gave us which were intercepted, AND we were easily the faction which lost the most troops attacking villages in the early game.

regardless of any of this, i see very little reason to argue with you grandmom, you say nothing but these paranoid fantasies of "GREY ORDER GAVE YOU 1 MILLION BILLION SOLDIERS!!1!!", and besides that yourself and your clanmates (read, gtx and arn), don't seem able to refrain from personal insults against me and my clan.
Oh our guy were unarmed, well that's a shame and you only got yourself to blame for that you had plenty of chances to reinforce but you simply didn't. 500 troops unarmed or armed is still 500 troops that you lost and to the thing that you lost most troops trying to take the fiefs well that's also just your fault that can't be blamed on someone else.

For me it's pretty clear that you have failed strat miserably
1, You overextend your self and take more fiefs then you can hold, also lose troops while doing that

2, Choosing wrong friends and enemies, as stated before it's clear that you had no intention to go against the uif then it's only us left. You offered naps for all your neighbours(except quincy) which give the impression that you were afraid of us, you wasted to much troops on taking your land so now you wanted time to secure it. As we are not stupid we understood that it's better to fight you now rather then later when you have built up your defence. So we simply saw our chance and took it.

3, You threaten quincy saying you will destroy them and when you offer everyone else a nap one could imagine that you were planing to attack them(GG you have made an enemy). We were planing to attack with out the quincies but as you made them your enemy they happily joined our course.

4, How you fight the war, moving unarmed armies, fail to reinforce, moving important fief owners around vulnerable for attacks(even tho you learned after like 3 times) and for last your newest attacks where you attack with single guys without backups. The only thing you have done good is defending Yalibe, form our side we failed with that one we should have taken it before you could reinforce it but hey that's life :)

And about those millions form greys those were only 1400, Hetmans owns words so you can't deny it. He also said something about you failing hard so I can't be wrong...

Still I have had a lot of fun in this war and I hope you had it too, I will always remember you in our ts 1 min before we attacked "You gonna die!"
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Bittersteel on March 16, 2014, 05:54:22 pm
This is such a good read, once again diplomacy forum beats everything else.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Casimir on March 16, 2014, 06:30:51 pm
This is why strat is great, #1 drama source
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: phnxhdsn on March 16, 2014, 07:30:32 pm
but i've really enjoyed the early game so far where gear is much more tactical.

I wish i could agree with this, but archers have a massive advantage early strat.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Eddy on March 16, 2014, 09:40:49 pm
Nobody enjoys getting pew pewed unless they're a strange strange person... i enjoyed attacking Ushkuru and refusing to bring any ranged immensely xD we got shot sooooo much!
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Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: phnxhdsn on March 16, 2014, 10:00:29 pm
I can't wait, in i'd say about a months time when archers still can't quite afford the the 600 silver a piece bodkins, and army's are equipped with 50 body armor and they have cav, archers will have a nightmare time! muhahahahaha
But i'm an archer :P
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Jarlek on March 17, 2014, 12:57:45 am
I said on forums, i said in battle brief, i said in TS during rollcall, but none of them believed till they joined the server xD i'd actually gotten my hands on a number of nomad bows and arrows by accident that i deliberately got rid of before the assault lol.

I think all archers should periodically be reminded how it feels, by being forced to charge up a hill in light armour without shields against the ranged of hell. Some of them had 0PS xD it was glorious!
I love you
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Teeth on March 17, 2014, 12:59:12 am
I love you
I second this, seeing archer crutching Quincy without bows is just glorious.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Casimir on March 17, 2014, 02:03:57 am
Watching an archer without a bow is very similar to watching a snake without fangs. They're just kind of silly.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
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Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 17, 2014, 12:28:00 pm
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there's something shiveringly reminiscent about the whole russia crimea ukraine thing here ... evil kalmar invades democratic shogunates lands, takes crim..ushkuru, and gives it to a new illegitimate government, whilst UN (grey, drz, kapikulu, fenris, ode), all refuse to recognise this illegitimate new government ..
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 17, 2014, 12:43:01 pm
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there's something shiveringly reminiscent about the whole russia crimea ukraine thing here ... evil kalmar invades democratic shogunates lands, takes crim..ushkuru, and gives it to a new illegitimate government, whilst UN (grey, drz, kapikulu, fenris, ode), all refuse to recognise this illegitimate new government ..

We are freedom fighters and protectors of the little guy (no not the short guy)! Its time for the Calradian Spring!!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 17, 2014, 12:47:30 pm
We are freedom fighters and protectors of the little guy (no not the short guy)! Its time for the Calradian Spring!!  :mrgreen:

yeah, ok
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Zaharist on March 17, 2014, 01:16:23 pm
lol

I just don't understand, Corsair831, why do you keep making fool of urself?
Are you sure you are capable of talking about politics in general and things happend in Ukraine?
What are your sources of information except TV and local massmedia? What is you level of education?
Anyway seems like you are just too young... or too stupid?
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: woody on March 17, 2014, 01:37:28 pm
Yeah Grandmom stop picking on poor little UIF. Oh sorry forgot no-one has been able to see that Byz are part of UIF because its so tricky to work out.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Torben on March 17, 2014, 01:46:22 pm
Ofc I was quite aware of all probable implications of this action.
I actually had planned to talk to corsair before any of this went real,  cause I did have concrete intentions and had in mind to create a win-win situation  for all three parties.
Unfortunately real life hindered me to do this.  My apologies. 

Now that this thread has created quite a tail and escalated the whole matter,  Ill probably have to revise my plans,  as my intended neutrality seems to be at best a slim option.

I will still try to achieve this later today when talking to the shogun,  if my rl actually lets me come home at reasonable times today.

In any way:  this shit is going down like a bomb,  totally made me smile : )
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 17, 2014, 02:10:24 pm
lol

I just don't understand, Corsair831, why do you keep making fool of urself?
Are you sure you are capable of talking about politics in general and things happend in Ukraine?
What are your sources of information except TV and local massmedia? What is you level of education?
Anyway seems like you are just too young... or too stupid?

i don't think i am making a fool of myself at all, i read this every morning http://elpais.com/ as well as this http://www.theguardian.com/uk, i also regularly read the new statesman (uk left wing magazine, which had some very interesting articles about the history of ukraine and russia, including an insight into the declining population and thus tax base of russia)
i think i'm completely capable of talking about politics, if you'd like we can go on teamspeak and discuss it later
my level of education is i have completed my first degree, obtaining a first with honours, and i am now studying my masters degree at a good university
i'm 23, and i'm not stupid

but thanks for your valuable input there zaharist
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: kinngrimm on March 17, 2014, 02:35:44 pm
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... UN (grey, drz, kapikulu, fenris, ode), all refuse to recognise this illegitimate new government ..
not all i guess and grey & DRZ with veto rights   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 17, 2014, 03:36:14 pm
Sorry Corsair, but Zaharist have right - love you but stfu - do not mix really sad and serious issues with video games. Grow up.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 17, 2014, 03:41:33 pm
Sorry Corsair, but Zaharist have right - love you but stfu - do not mix really sad and serious issues with video games. Grow up.

i didn't think i said anything bad at all, sorry if you're offended by it ..

all i did was write exactly what the uk media is saying every single day .. if you're offended by that .. well .. what can i say ..
don't think you have any right to tell me to "stfu" and "grow up" though, you can take that and shove it up your arse mate
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Harpag on March 17, 2014, 03:45:46 pm
no stress - I just said what I think and do with it what you want. I said it in good faith.
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Zaharist on March 17, 2014, 03:53:20 pm
i don't think i am making a fool of myself at all, i read this every morning http://elpais.com/ as well as this http://www.theguardian.com/uk, i also regularly read the new statesman (uk left wing magazine, which had some very interesting articles about the history of ukraine and russia, including an insight into the declining population and thus tax base of russia)
i think i'm completely capable of talking about politics, if you'd like we can go on teamspeak and discuss it later
my level of education is i have completed my first degree, obtaining a first with honours, and i am now studying my masters degree at a good university
i'm 23, and i'm not stupid

but thanks for your valuable input there zaharist

no offence, Corsair831
I become mad when I see someone posting about "invasions". the whole crimea story, the way politicians use "international law" and europe's reaction on Crimea makes me mad
I ask you to avoid these themes in future and sorry if I was offensive.


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Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 17, 2014, 03:55:26 pm
Sorry Corsair, but Zaharist have right - love you but stfu - do not mix really sad and serious issues with video games. Grow up.

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Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 17, 2014, 04:00:16 pm
no offence, Corsair831
I become mad when I see someone posting about "invasions". the whole crimea story, the way politicians use "international law" and europe's reaction on Crimea makes me mad
I ask you to avoid these themes in future and sorry if I was offensive.


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i actually found most interesting the history of ukraine, being as how i don't know as much about modern russian history as other parts of the world. most interesting is the perceived russian attitude that it's not really an 'independent country', and still a 'client state' (i don't know how the average russian feels about this, but it seems that way from their politics). the extensive corruption in ukraine is amazing as well, (i especially liked the one about the previous minister of the interior apparantly having commited suicide by shooting himself in the head twice).


the other really interesting thing i've found is about the whole russian situation, massively decreasing tax base in a country that's not very efficient at collecting taxes anyway, not to mention an economy in a state of utter panic at the prospect of "frakking" (extracting vast amounts of gas from the ocean floor), which would seriously impact the russian economy. according to one article they think all of this is making russia want to return to it's 'glory days' (when it was still seen as a superpower), by exercising some military might in order to have to 'not deal with', or at least 'put to one side', all of these major problems they are facing.

i mean i know you live a lot closer to the area than me, but as someone who's very interested in politics and history, i find this, obviously very sad situation, very intriguing (but obviously, still sad).
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Bittersteel on March 17, 2014, 05:45:36 pm
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/meanwhile-in-ukraine/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/meanwhile-in-ukraine/)
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Torben on March 19, 2014, 10:40:13 pm
ya so big C and I have agreed on me handing over ushkuru because of reasons!  :mrgreen:
anyways:  free trade will be established later in game again,  dont get your asses whooped for accidentally using s&d atm  lads,  thats a nono.

for my troop collectors:  stop feeding the fief,  feed me instead.  We will be staying in ushkuru until I have more time too find another place,  atm rl is real lifeing me hard.
if payment shoul come in late,  dont worry,  just message me and youll get the gold as soon as im online.

and now have a pic of the village kittens:
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Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Bittersteel on March 19, 2014, 11:51:41 pm
Traitor, burn in the fires of hell!
Title: Re: *****Ushkuru Given to free traders
Post by: Corsair831 on March 20, 2014, 02:44:58 pm
wow, i just achieved something through diplomacy instead of bashing someone's head, this is a strange feeling .. sort of tingly ..