Getting valor is impossible because of the low dmg so that was also taken away from a class that barely survives financially.
When will you dumb inbreed attention whores, stop posting your buff me threads in general section??"were"
FFs, HA´s where OP as fuck, you had it comming.....
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FFs, HA´s was OP
With the recent patches I found my HA to be completely useless.
Why do yo u need to deal damage vs plated chargers?
Just focus on the unarmoured horses.
HA vs. plated charger is quite an extreme example, isn't it?
yes, it's only an example how a high level build can't do anything against another player, don't think any other class with this level can say the same. What I'm trying to say, if you need to be lvl 33/34 to be semi effective as a HA, it's not really worth it now is it?It applies to archers in general, doesn't matter if mounted or ground ones. Mounted need additional points for Horse archery and riding and ground archers need their athletics and PS (yes, PowerStrike seems useful for them from time to time).
yes, it's only an example how a high level build can't do anything against another player, don't think any other class with this level can say the same. What I'm trying to say, if you need to be lvl 33/34 to be semi effective as a HA, it's not really worth it now is it?
But a lvl 34 polearmer/1h/2h can do something against HA? Bullshit.
yes, it's only an example how a high level build can't do anything against another player
yes, it's only an example how a high level build can't do anything against another player, don't think any other class with this level can say the same.
:rolleyes:
or a lone wolf i can do everything game?
Mount and blade was designed around the idea of having a different classes countering each other.
Paper rock scissor wise.
1/3 of the following groups, ranged, inf and cav,
with each having there cons and pro's.
Melee although being the most defining feature of Mount and blade, was not the only feature.
Many said this before, and ill say it again; its called MOUNT and blade.
Not melee and everyone else go fuck of and blade.
Not saying the balance was perfect before, far from it. But each class had its natural counter.
Yes even HA, if their enemy's where smart enough to group up and stick with their teams ranged.
Question: do we want to play a team play game? or a lone wolf i can do everything game?
That´s pretty much how HA´s worked before the nerf.
The issue I have is how damn shallow it is and on top of that how you can deal damage with zero risk vs reward. That and how entitled people seem to be, to think that simply by playing a class it should get decent damage and kills regardless of what playing the class entails
I'm just confused about your point. You feel weak compared to heavily armoured opponents and horses, or against everything? I doubt my 5PS level 36 character can do much against a plated charger with my cut only weapon, too. Doing little damage against it with a build not meant for high damage is expected and it'd be odd to change that (+ you have options for hitting the rider/headshot). I do think that the headshot hurtbox on the horses are quite odd, though. You think you hit the head but you don't see any increased damage compared to a body shot sometimes.
There was a period on EU where it was left with ranged armour penetration values that made HA/low damage ranged extremely weak against armour for longer than it should have been, but another change put the numbers back to how they were before. I think complaints during that time was valid, but currently, the only recent nerfs to HA are the speed bonus and the ranged stagger tweaks.
I just don't get how you can think its OK to ride around clicking on guys to deal damage
HA is ACTUALLY pretty hard.
You wouldn't even have a game to play if it wasn't for the melee side of it. Noone would give two shits about M&B without these melee mechanics. The ranged is oldschool no skill stuff we've seen in so many games before.
Saying that though I have never said I want to play melee only. I want cav, ranged and melee BUT the implementation of the ranged mechanics is so far behind melee its like having two games in one. If clicking on guys from a distance had half the depth of melee I wouldn't have a problem.
The issue I have is how damn shallow it is and on top of that how you can deal damage with zero risk vs reward. That and how entitled people seem to be, to think that simply by playing a class it should get decent damage and kills regardless of what playing the class entails
HA is ACTUALLY pretty hard.
Has to be only you then. I get damaged by HA regularly. My +3 Plated Charger is quite durable against HA, but not immune.
I feel weaker overall, I was useless against heavily armored tagets before too, but atleast I could deal some damage unlike now. I base that on points earned.
Horse archers invaded eu1 before xmas and the result of that was 20 ppl on primetime.We could argue if HA was the most significant reason :P. Also it's pretty easy to pew any kind of horsemen as a ground-ranged unit, so blame your ranged for not pewing HAs, or blame yourself if you didn't give your ranged enough protection from infantry/cav and they had to take care about themselves and therefore couldn't devote to shooting@HAs.
Points from horses got cut by half since the recent patch. Is it the same for human targets?
We could argue if HA was the most significant reason :P. Also it's pretty easy to pew any kind of horsemen as a ground-ranged unit, so blame your ranged for not pewing HAs, or blame yourself if you didn't give your ranged enough protection from infantry/cav and they had to take care about themselves and therefore couldn't devote to shooting@HAs.
I feel weaker overall
Touche! Ofc ur right in a way. I have no proof that was the main reason. But numbers dropped and raised again in line with the number of horse ranged. And alot of ppl said they refused to set foot on eu1 coz of ranged cav.
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I was about to quit anyay, so I went suicidal-reporter to the open just to take this screenie.
With 1920x1080 on my screen and after a thorough examination I counted 10 obvious horse-ranged and 2 more that look like horse ranged guys but I'm not sure if they are. Those 2 guys that were the closest to me in this picture kept pew-pewing me while I was leaving.
Such horse-ranged combo happens very rarely but when it does, it's gay++...
It was on the 12th of January.
Well that basically means that higher tier armor actually helps now against ranged, which im sure the playerbase will the happy about.
if you get 5 or so HA together will do well.
Just like if you get 5 or so ranged working together, or 5 or so melee.
So?
Well, 5 infantry has a hard time countering 5 ranged, and an impossible job against 5 HA.
Thats a good point, then again 5 HA cant counter 5 archers, nor 5 melee in a city map. hmm,
Thats a good point, then again 5 HA cant counter 5 archers, nor 5 melee in a city map. hmm,
Bullshit
Well, 5 infantry has a hard time countering 5 ranged, and an impossible job against 5 HA.
Chase was running around as a HA scoring 15+ kills every map. Adapt your playstyles, dont shoot at plated horses, shoot riders, kill peasants and bump everything.
Mm 5 infantry with no ranged, no xbow, no throwing... Good ole' C-rpg builds... Better complain that we can't counter something even though we have 100% free choice as to how we make our builds.
5 infantry with shields + throwing and those HA will have to stay moving far away taking pot shots with their crap accuracy & shit damage, bam you as infantry have just contested Horse Archers.. Something no c-rpg player thought possible.
Also 5 HA on a open map is a pretty big target, on a tinier more urban map it's near impossible for all 5 to coordinate and attack the same targets.
but as someone said before (BK?) the melee gameplay is the unique part in this game and personally i think every single ranged class spoils the gameplay.
No it isn't. I can't think of any other game where I get to ride around as a horse archer.
Thing is this is very damn difficult with a decent player on an Arabian Warhorse, which is a lot of ranged cav players. They get 8+ riding (some HX do 10, which makes catching them impossible, and even difficult to hit as foot ranged.)
On horseback and with bodkins of course :wink:
from horseback? without bodkins you can shoot all day long :mrgreen: