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Definition of Coorporation:
Process of a Group to gain common benefit by working together
Group of Clans that want to benefit from each other and do process within the whole Organisation.
Clans, which are participating:
A small, but experienced and perfectly working together Clan. The Bros are here to bring Stability and Experience to The Coorporation.
Leader:
- Chris (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16300)
- Kalitorian (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11016)
Members:
- Austriano (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15140)
- NoGo
- Nyu
- xDead
- Asator
- Martos
- Heibai
Teamspeak: cubegaming.de
Most Barabes played Strategus 4.0 and they worked good. They are nice teamworkers and sneaky Backstabbers. Fear them on the Battlefield and all over Calradia. Barabes are here to bring disciplined Warriors and Fun Times to The Coorporation.
Leader:
- Ncromancien (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22163)
Members:
- Angellore
- Kreus
- Hamilton
- Illusion
- Perverz
- Reini
- Bimbo
- Zpart
- Hador
- Lancelot
Teamspeak: ts20.nitrado.net:16750
The Circulus is a big Group of polish Friends, who are new to Strategus. They also are new to the Rest of The Coorporation. The Circulus is here to bring well trained Soldiers and a big pack of Freshness to The Coorperation.
Leader:
Members:
- Alvaro
- Cichoszek
- DiviX
- Galik
- Lambert
- Kowal
- Sierzant
- Strzelec
- Suchy_PL
- Tony
- Vektrus
- Walker
Teamspeak: rs67.teamspeak.pl:8200
The Tiguriners are smaller sized Clan with cool members from all over Switzerland.
Leader:
Members:
- Krebskolonie
- Lupa_Felicitas
- Paradoxion
- Romke
- Sunneblueme
Teamspeak: None. / cubegaming.de
Leaders of the Coorporation:
- Chris (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16300)
- Ncromancien (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22163)
- Nymerion
Relations:
Allies:
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NAP:
Seljuks
Eques
The Northern Empire
Krems
Montesa
Karlmarunion
Hostile:
Fenris
At war:
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Neutral:
All other factions
Claims:
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Dear stranger,
in the lands of the Coorporation just as in those of other clans there are some specific rules you should bear in mind to stay out of trouble.
Please read them carefully and try to not break any of them.
Do not buy or sell goods in our fiefs unless you have an explicit permit by Chris, Nymerrion or Kalitorian or your clan has received a trading permit.
Do not buy equipment in our fiefs unless your clan is part of the northern alliance or you have an explicit permit by Chris, Nymerrion or Kalitorian.
Do not pass through our territory if you have more than 200 troops on yourself unless your clan is part of the northern alliance or if you have an explicit permit by Chris, Nymerrion or Kalitorian.
Failing to follow these rules will probably get you attacked in our lands.
If you have questions concerning the rules or you want to get a trade permit for your clan or you just want to buy weapons in our villages, write a PM to "Kalitorian" on the cRPG website.
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i willl play strat
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i willl play strat
Get Dhirim you Potato! Fight them Ninjas and Unicorns to gain what you dont gain!
:lol:
Nice work Faust :)
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Good luck guys , may the winds of Bubastan treat you fairly.
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Good luck guys , may the winds of Bubastan treat you fairly.
We will pras the mighty Buba of Bubastan and we offer our bubas to the buba :lol:
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good luck, and see you in calradia
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We extend the 2 goat policy to you.
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We extend the 2 goat policy to you.
We are looking forward to it. Much exciteness in le Us :D
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We are looking forward to it. Much exciteness in le Us :D
True that :mrgreen:
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I've got a banner image for you
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I've got a banner image for you
Would be awesome if it would be possible to have an own banner for Strat Factions. So while normal playing we use the Banner of the Clan, but in Strat Battles we use the banner of the Strat Faction.
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I've got a banner image for you
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Hihihihi, will immediatly use that one, thanks Strudog! :)
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Thanks Strudog, your help is much appreciated :3
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Good luck to you guys, seems you have a good group of players.
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Good luck to you guys, seems you have a good group of players.
Thanks ^^
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
we got our memberlists finished.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
we got our memberlists finished.
So we're all set now.
All Coorporation members, get ready for the mayhem and say goodbye to your " real life ".
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Proud to annonce the arrival of another clan to the Coorporation: The Knights of Angor
May we have a good time together.
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First Battle coming up:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=95
Join us!
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The Coorporation captures Aab!
With the help of coorporating Forces from all over Calradia The Coorporation was able to clean the shiny Village Aab from the doomness of "Noname" Harrassers!
Aab is producing their fine Slates with the nicest engravements of the whole Europe Calradia side for respected and honourful traders now.
The Coorporation calls all Lone Riders and Freelancers to join their trade routes and help the desert flow and grow!
Greetings,
Chris
Correspondant of The Coorporation
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This village looks poor :O
But at least we got an oasis and enough water there :D
@Austriano: How I'm not listed? :cry:
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
we got our memberlists finished.
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Grats on the village! Good luck to you all in Strat 5!
Thanks Heskey. You are always welcome to visit us in our Blue Desert State ;D
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Good Luck to you guys :)
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Thanks guys :)
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@Austriano: How I'm not listed? :cry:
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DUH!!!!
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Nice thread there mates! :)
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More villages for
me us: Mijayet
Not in the mood to make such a awesome post like Chris did for our first fief.
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More villages for me us: Mijayet
Not in the mood to make such a awesome post like Chris did for our first fief.
You lazy fuck !
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The Coorporation takes it one Step further!
The brave Warriors of The Coorporation fought well against the undead Hordes of "Noname"! They kept their valor and discipline while the Arrows, which were made from the Bones of their own fallen Warriors, hailed on them!
Perfect Teamwork and the Headless charges of the Undead Soldiers brought us the Win. Mijayet is now in the hand of The Coorporation, but we will not forget the Blood of the fallen Fighters and we will honor them in an appropriate way!
Greetings,
Chris
Correspondant of The Coorporation
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The Coorporation doesnt have Enemies :shock:!
Today we captured Tazjunat! The Village was held by Ghosts. The Fight was hard and long, but our tough Soldiers made it possible to hunt down the Sneaky and Invisible enemies.
Tazjunat is the eastern Border Village of The Coorporation and from now on will be used as an Outpost against Raiders and a Beacon of Hope for hunted Traders and Adventurers.
Greetings,
Chris
Correspondant of The Coorporation
One of #the annoying 3
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I think I found your base of operations!
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Dammit, they discovered us!
Quick, Chris pack up the donkeys
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Shit man. Take the backdoor. the Backdoor!
Alpha Team. Offer yourself and die for the Victory of our thing!
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I think I found your base of operations!
This was such a nice play. So sad that we have to move away now :cry:
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whoopsie^^
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Much battle, such fight, so hard, wow
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Update and welcome our new members from the BlackFist!
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These villages look all the same...
Mijayet
Tazjunat
Unriya
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Coorporating Forces havin' Fun
People from Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Croatia, Poland and other European Countries united with brave Soldiers from the USA! USA! USA! captured 2 shiny Villages in dirty Sand Battles yesterday Night!
The used Formation were based on the Quincy-Archer-Wall and the North-American-Bash-Team-Tactic!
Our Enemies made some Steps backwards and Quitted the Fight while wetting their Pantys being Scared of the rough Warriors that Coorporated through the Night.
And so Fishara and Habba, Village No. 5 and 6, went over in the Peaceful Hands of The Coorporation!
Greetings,
Chris
Correspondant of The Coorporation
One of #the annoying 3
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Coorporating Forces havin' Fun
People from Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Croatia, Poland and other European Countries united with brave Soldiers from the USA! USA! USA! captured 2 shiny Villages in dirty Sand Battles yesterday Night!
The used Formation were based on the Quincy-Archer-Wall and the North-American-Bash-Team-Tactic!
Our Enemies made some Steps backwards and Quitted the Fight while wetting their Pantys being Scared of the rough Warriors that Coorporated through the Night.
And so Fishara and Habba, Village No. 5 and 6, went over in the Peaceful Hands of The Coorporation!
Greetings,
Chris
Correspondant of The Coorporation
One of #the annoying 3
Coorporation stronk!
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average age of cooperation players? :twisted:
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average age of cooperation players? :twisted:
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Average age of our players : 9 :(
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Average age of our players : 9 :(
Thats the average age of our players children :mrgreen:
Have they all joined your clan?
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Thats the average age of our players children :mrgreen:
Have they all joined your clan?
The young Generation is trained here for the future. If they are your kids or Hetmans...they dont know their Names, but their numbers. They will be the perfect Strategus Noobs and No-Lifers to rape their parents arse later :lol:
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Thats the average age of our players children :mrgreen:
Have they all joined your clan?
yes we are...you can allways come to ts and chat with us :*
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but u all have to ask your parents before? Because my parents told me, not to talk with strangers.
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but u all have to ask your parents before? Because my parents told me, not to talk with strangers.
we are rebels!
we talk with strangers withouthe permission of parents, stay awake till 20gmt, ring of neighbours doors and run before they open the doors.....
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we are rebels!
we talk with strangers withouthe permission of parents, stay awake till 20gmt, ring of neighbours doors and run before they open the doors.....
Thats it! Im calling your momma
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Thats it! Im calling your momma
No, not my momma, I won't get any pocket money if you do that :cry:
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Thats it! Im calling your momma
there's no one home
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there's no one home
Ah right, she is with me - I will send her home as soon as we are finished "talking" :mrgreen:
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Ah right, she is with me - I will send her home as soon as we are finished "talking" :mrgreen:
He has two moms? Which mom is this right next to me than? :rolleyes:
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Ah right, she is with me - I will send her home as soon as we are finished "talking" :mrgreen:
lesbians
He has two moms? Which mom is this right next to me than? :rolleyes:
thats my granny
you are discusting man
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thats my granny
you are discusting man
OMG i am necrophaliac...
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Dudes, that is a serious diplomacy thread, no place for small talk only rollplay and drama :mrgreen:
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Added Dugan to our fiefs. Heibai please send me picture of those villages. Kthxbye
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Added Dugan to our fiefs. Heibai please send me picture of those villages. Kthxbye
Lazy pig... :mrgreen:
Fishara
Habba
Iqbayl
Dugan
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Lazy pig... :mrgreen:
Fishara
Habba
Iqbayl
Dugan
My lifesaver :oops:
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I think somebody fooled you. they're all the same village
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I feel this picture is relevant for this thread.
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RIP :cry:
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RIP :cry:
really? lol
battles didnt start yet and you're already bringing flowers to the funeral
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DRZ attack only 3 of your fiefs and one is with 700 troops more for you :P. Kalmars also push Byzantiums now. This is strat 5! WAR! :D I hope only your new player to not fear from the "bear".
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RIP :cry:
STAND UP LIKE FREE MEN! FIGHT BACK, MAKE EM BLEED AND KEEP YOUR BANNERS HIGH!
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DRZ attack only 3 of your fiefs and one is with 700 troops more for you :P. Kalmars also push Byzantiums now. This is strat 5! WAR! :D I hope only your new player to not fear from the "bear".
DRZ is reinforcing their attack on Aab with another 1000 troops. Also they are advancing with superior numbers on Mawiti (1000 vs 400).
This war was over before it even began.
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DRZ is reinforcing their attack on Aab with another 1000 troops. Also they are advancing with superior numbers on Mawiti (1000 vs 400).
This war was over before it even began.
No, it's only over when you have no men to fight back, or when you make it over, but now, we can fight, and we will give them the best fight we can give them !
Sun Tzu is my spiritual guide, may his power be with us !
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This war was over before it even began.
ffs what the fuck is wrong with you guys? you drop your pants already :evil:
GG!!!
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I for myself will fight till my last breath - but it seems quite pointless to face such a huge
bundle of sticksry faction like Druzhina
God, I sound like a chicken
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I for myself will fight till my last breath - but it seems quite pointless to face such a huge bundle of sticksry faction like Druzhina
God, I sound like a chicken
Of course you do :mrgreen:
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We will stay strong and do everything to defend our Home!!!
Desert War started, here we go.
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I didnt say that I dont want to fight.
I`m just being rational concerning our current situation, which looks very bad.
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I didnt say that I dont want to fight.
I`m just being rational concerning our current situation, which looks very bad.
At least "kill as many as possible" :D
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I didnt say that I dont want to fight.
I`m just being rational concerning our current situation, which looks very bad.
War is just beginning, whatever is our fate, let's show them what The Coorporation got ! I want to see all my guys into those battles, and I want to see you fighting like lions, to the end !
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lol nuetral
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there is no drz troops in desert it's all propaganda!
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there is no drz troops in desert it's all propaganda!
in ukraina you thought?
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I'm detecting a Barabe/Bro split in terms of your responses to this attack and Barabe atm have the stronger attitude, plz no offence meant because i like you all xD but Bros need to adopt a more Barabe approach in this particular case.
Personally i'd be interested to see what Druzhina would do if they won the whole desert, probably do a couple months of trade simulator then give up and go inactive (AGAIN). Maybe it's time to revisit the 'Give Eastern Europe a separate map' thread xD
It's more like Bro's try to "look weak" so that the Barabe Heroes look better.
It's basic movie stuff, sidekick next to heroes 8-)
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there is no drz troops in desert it's all propaganda!
btw vovka do you know what i wonder? how do you menage to get so much troops with 20 +/- active members on eu servers? ;)
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btw vovka do you know what i wonder? how do you menage to get so much troops with 20 +/- active members on eu servers? ;)
I do not participate in the current round of strategus
but I think they are cheating ^^
or chadz support them with troops and gold cos right now he is here in Rushdigh village from start :P
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I do not participate in the current round of strategus
but I think they are cheating ^^
or chadz support them with troops and gold cos right now he is here in Rushdigh village from start :P
its all alright i dont care about strat i just ask, your members know why ;)
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It is always interesting hanging around the desert, you see all sorts of Druz parties with lots of troops and they're all names you've never seen before xD
name me atleast 1 :P or eat my shit! :twisted:
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One of the first DRZ battles on the current Strat, the roster is full of the Vovka's keys, ban he!
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One of the first DRZ battles on the current Strat, the roster is full of the Vovka's keys, ban he!
lie! daduda is not my!
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One of the first DRZ battles on the current Strat, the roster is full of the Vovka's keys, ban he!
lol funny....80% of this guys never play on eu1,2..etc servers..... how they gain tickets than
btw its funny how you every strat pretend innocent and than every strat bunch of uif guys get baned.......interesting ;)
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Nah guys, let's stop this " UIF cheater booh ban " thing, it's useless, and whatever is the truth, nothing can be done before there is a proof, so it's more than useless to argue about it :)
Let's just try to have some fun and to do some nice battles, ok ? :wink:
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Nah guys, let's stop this " UIF cheater booh ban " thing, it's useless, and whatever is the truth, nothing can be done before there is a proof, so it's more than useless to argue about it :)
Let's just try to have some fun and to do some nice battles, ok ? :wink:
xou are grinch!!!!!!
why you have to ruin our fun ?
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That's how I am, can't do much about it :oops:
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lol do you ever go to eu2? it's been constantly jacked full of druzinha with names i've never even heard of, since the new strat started ...
... i don't think they're cheating i think they just bought copies of warband for all their cousins and forced them to grind eu2 for troops :D
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lol funny....80% of this guys never play on eu1,2..etc servers..... how they gain tickets than
And of course you are 24/7 on all servers to know about it ? :lol:
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Is it that hard to let it go...?
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And of course you are 24/7 on all servers to know about it ? :lol:
will see in few months buddy.... till than have fun ;)
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FOR FREEDOM!!!!1!!1111
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spy their TS! u'll see only Vovka and Nebun! while eu2 is zerged by Druzhina_nonames
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I got it! They have stolen Fips DTV Bots and gave them DRZ Banners!!!!
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I got it! They have stolen Fips DTV Bots and gave them DRZ Banners!!!!
Fucking Fips...
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Oh come on, stop this cheating assumption stupidity. It isn't about having proof or whatever.
The whole problem is how Strategus is working. If one faction gets 80 troops per hour, and in same time other faction gets 30 troops per hour then, in matter of few days, first one has to become much stronger. It's not Druzhina's fault, Strategus is all about number of members. Basically everything depends here from it, starting from roster advantage (we have problems to complete roster almost every battle, they don't), silver gaining (with more members you do more trading same time) to troops number (every active member gives +1 troop per hour). In current form, you could just count number of members in biggest factions today to figure out who is going to win Strategus.
Stop treating Strategus like strategy game, because it has nothing to do with strategy, it's just all about numbers. Try to have as much fun as you can, because that's the key point of this game. Who cares Druzhina has 4 times more troops than we have after just two weeks? Who cares we can't win Strategus, it's just impossible for anyone outside UIF? We have 2 options - we can leave Strategus for UIF, so they can gather troops and silver for next 10 months or try to mess with their farming simulation game at least slightly :P.
I have to say, I'm already proud of Coorporation and what we achieved. Now we have a war against biggest, most experienced and best organized alliance in Strategus, and we aren't doing bad at all. It's not like we are losing badly without a fight. Yes, we made few mistakes, and in longer period we just can't defend ourselves successfully against such a force, but at least we are trying to fighting them back. If we will be wiped in next week or so (and I'm not saying we will!), at least I will know we tried, had some fun, had some nice battles and meant something in Strategus 5. Even if that's the matter or first 2 weeks, no one can take it away from us now!
So just have fun guys! We will try to learn from our mistakes to become stronger and more challenging for our enemies in next battles. Who knows what the future holds?
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Oh come on, stop this cheating assumption stupidity. It isn't about having proof or whatever.
The whole problem is how Strategus is working. If one faction gets 80 troops per hour, and in same time other faction gets 30 troops per hour then, in matter of few days, first one has to become much stronger. It's not Druzhina's fault, Strategus is all about number of members. Basically everything depends here from it, starting from roster advantage (we have problems to complete roster almost every battle, they don't), silver gaining (with more members you do more trading same time) to troops number (every active member gives +1 troop per hour). In current form, you could just count number of members in biggest factions today to figure out who is going to win Strategus.
Stop treating Strategus like strategy game, because it has nothing to do with strategy, it's just all about numbers. Try to have as much fun as you can, because that's the key point of this game. Who cares Druzhina has 4 times more troops than we have after just two weeks? Who cares we can't win Strategus, it's just impossible for anyone outside UIF? We have 2 options - we can leave Strategus for UIF, so they can gather troops and silver for next 10 months or try to mess with their farming simulation game at least slightly :P.
I have to say, I'm already proud of Coorporation and what we achieved. Now we have a war against biggest, most experienced and best organized alliance in Strategus, and we aren't doing bad at all. It's not like we are losing badly without a fight. Yes, we made few mistakes, and in longer period we just can't defend ourselves successfully against such a force, but at least we are trying to fighting them back. If we will be wiped in next week or so (and I'm not saying we will!), at least I will know we tried, had some fun, had some nice battles and meant something in Strategus 5. Even if that's the matter or first 2 weeks, no one can take it away from us now!
So just have fun guys! We will try to learn from our mistakes to become stronger and more challenging for our enemies in next battles. Who knows what the future holds?
You sir deserved my +1.
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You sir deserved my +1.
how could you say sir to that chick?
i'm disappointed :wink:
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The Coorporation is back and kicking with a new fief: Rduna!
Thanks to Kalmarunion for that.
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What are your claims now?
upd
oh. I see
fair enough
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Get your ass to Rduna. We gotta fight some Peasant Wars^^
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Annnnnndddd... there we go - Dramug Castle is ours!. Thanks to everyone who helped us achieving this :)
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Radoghir Castle is oursssssss!!!!
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Good Job. Someone said this will be my fief ? :mrgreen:
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And here we go Rindyar Castle.
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I don`t know how some people can fail to take a castle :rolleyes:
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Mighty Coorporation owns now their first town. Reyvadin is ours !!!!!
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I don`t know how some people can fail to take a castle :rolleyes:
coz we are noobs hahaha
This is the real way to take a castle, you just don't need ladders
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coz we are noobs hahaha
This is the real way to take a castle, you just don't need ladders
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Don`t worry, you didn`t waste 3,5k troops on the walls of a castle you had already taken in the previous strat rounds.
You will manage to do it tomorrow.
@OP
You need to update our relations:
Relations:
Allies:
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NAP:
Krems
Seljuks
Montesa
Balde
Eques
Hostile:
Fenris
At war:
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Neutral:
All other factions
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Updated.
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Dear stranger,
in the lands of the Coorporation just as in those of other clans there are some specific rules you should bear in mind to stay out of trouble.
Please read them carefully and try to not break any of them.
Do not buy or sell goods in our fiefs unless you have an explicit permit by Chris, Nymerrion or Kalitorian or your clan has received a trading permit.
Do not buy equipment in our fiefs unless your clan is part of the northern alliance or you have an explicit permit by Chris, Nymerrion or Kalitorian.
Do not pass through our territory if you have more than 200 troops on yourself unless your clan is part of the northern alliance or if you have an explicit permit by Chris, Nymerrion or Kalitorian.
Failing to follow these rules will probably get you attacked in our lands.
If you have questions concerning the rules or you want to get a trade permit for your clan or you just want to buy weapons in our villages, write a PM to "Kalitorian" on the cRPG website.
@Austri
Please add this to the OP.
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OK
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OK
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Are you sure? Ok then :(
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@Austri
Please add this to the OP.
Added to 2nd post.
Are you sure? Ok then :(
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Nonononono, just visit me in Radogir Castle and have some "fun"
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Austri offers his virginity on the internet again? you never learn do you?
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Update some stuff plox :)
Also we added Curaw to our Claims :wink:
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Update some stuff plox :)
Also we added Curaw to our Claims :wink:
You dare take a fief, THEN claim it?
Outrageous. Total disrecpect to the strategus convention of Dhirim 2010.
The proximity to Slezkh Castle is a provocation to peaceful loving bubastan! We will not take it!
To the war horses!
*check inventory, no horses of any kind*
Well, this will wait! You're in luck!!!! :P
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Just wanted to thanks to everybody that applied for this battle
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1182
Just an awesome job. Good job everybody. Thousands of French kisses :*
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Ubba had tough luck, but yeah it was a fucking awesome battle!
Thanks guys
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And we raise our fists proudly to the sky, since we finished the BZZZ king of. This old man brought alot of trouble to us, which is now settled down.
Shall kinngrimm R.I.P. in pieces
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Bzzz was victorious.
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I wasnt even here to destroy the mad king....
Well, good job in putting his soul to rest.
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Austri, you can add our allies:
Seljuks
Eques
The Northern Empire
Krems
Montesa
Karlmarunion
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First this:
Then this:
2 Seconds later:
Coorporation is gonna rise again!
When there are any Developers left behind out there...
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Long live Narra and New Narra!
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First this:
Then this:
2 Seconds later:
Coorporation is gonna rise again!
When there are any Developers left behind out there...
Lol wut Chris is alive D:
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Please, no stratomancy. What is dead must stay dead, and burried into the abyss of memories.
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Lol wut Chris is alive D:
What is dead, may never die!
Please, no stratomancy. What is dead must stay dead, and burried into the abyss of memories.
What is that famous quote? "You only leave cRPG in a bodybag"?
Not even the devs can resist this quote. There will be Strat 6. The Question is not if, but when ;)
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What is dead, may never die!
What is that famous quote? "You only leave cRPG in a bodybag"?
Not even the devs can resist this quote. There will be Strat 6. The Question is not if, but when ;)
Strat should've ended four (4) months ago. Like there's nothing weird into not making any announcement about it 4 months after it should've been restarted. :lol:
Mod died, strat also died, there's no exception that can be made now.
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Strat should've ended four (4) months ago. Like there's nothing weird into not making any announcement about it 4 months after it should've been restarted. :lol:
Mod died, strat also died, there's no exception that can be made now.
Filthy Traitor! Shame on these words! cRPG shall never die!
Edit: Anyone still has this Martin Luther Chris Avatar? Need it again^^
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Drunken Chris pulling a necro...
I thought you were busy with your exams :(
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Drunken Chris pulling a necro...
I thought you were busy with your exams :(
Had my first out of three today.
Hab rasiert Bruder^^
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*Noticing the necro quite late*
Don't make me close this thread Chris.
Cum back and play with me again QQQQQQ
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*Noticing the necro quite late*
Don't make me close this thread Chris.
Cum back and play with me again QQQQQQ
Gonna cum lots of times playing with you... (Just put Mr. Chow in here by yourself already)