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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jona on February 08, 2014, 04:36:43 pm

Title: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jona on February 08, 2014, 04:36:43 pm
So after the fall of obliteration of termination of bastardization of DTV, map makers introduced new, 'non-exploitable' maps (which almost all happen to be claustrophobic as fuck, but that is another topic for another day). Well, due to some fun experimenting with the new mage skill system implemented only on the DTV servers, some of us have learned how to use the teleportation spell. This inherently allows us to to exploit even the most unexploitable of maps... because fuck these new maps.


First up, running free on Istiniar.

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Now apparently the only thing we DTV players know how to do with open space is exploit, so just for old time's sake, I exploited.

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Next location, Helm's Deep. (Aka the game's shittiest map, all 3 of em)

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Freedom!

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And now for some teleporting into the sky, because why not?

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...didn't quite stick the landing, had to finish that wave with a nasty limp. :/


Some more high-flying really, really high-flying shenanigans.

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Unfortunately, teleportation is not entirely a science, and it DOES have its risks...

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...perhaps if my character was no so faint of heart, and didn't have such shitty cholesterol from being a fat American, he could have avoided chardiac arrest at such high altitudes.


Also, somewhat unrelated, but when not practicing the risky art of teleporting, some mages prefer to use the duplication spell to create works of modern art.

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For the record, no one actually uses this shit to exploit, because contrary to what euros think of us Americans, we generally just want to have fun. Life isn't all about winning, and neither is this game. Teleportation is just a nice distraction from the otherwise monotonous grinding of the current DTV.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Fips on February 08, 2014, 05:15:36 pm
Still no idea how you do it. Can anyone who doesn't have the "i hate the new dtv" goggles on please enlighten me?
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jona on February 08, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
I would gladly enlighten you...


you just have to give us back all the old maps, remove the new maps, and stop fucking with DTV first.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Fips on February 08, 2014, 05:21:50 pm
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
I would gladly enlighten you...


you just have to give us back all the old maps, remove the new maps, and stop fucking with DTV first.

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Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 06:28:02 pm
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
I would gladly enlighten you...


you just have to give us back all the old maps, remove the new maps, and stop fucking with DTV first.
You don't get the right to make such demands. When you decide to grow up, or actually contribute to this mod, you can be unbanned.

Edit: It's understandable that people will have complaints, but this is not how you go about getting things changed.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jack1 on February 08, 2014, 07:00:01 pm
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Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jacko on February 08, 2014, 07:12:40 pm
The only voodoo you need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvmKlZGTTU4
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Panos_ on February 08, 2014, 07:17:31 pm
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
I would gladly enlighten you...


you just have to give us back all the old maps, remove the new maps, and stop fucking with DTV first.


Shut your mouth, you little ungrateful bad spoiled brat.

Be thankful that there are people who care about the mod, and not the opposite.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Tibe on February 08, 2014, 07:42:40 pm
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
I would gladly enlighten you...
you just have to give us back all the old maps, remove the new maps, and stop fucking with DTV first.

This and that garbage above, thats pretty low, man. Considering the fact that these people do this out of their own free time with no actual rewards, you sure have a good way of showing your gratitude. You do not own them. And if you are displeased about something, make a descent thread with proper arguments and start a proper discussion.

Quote from: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 06:28:02 pm
Edit: It's understandable that people will have complaints, but this is not how you go about getting things changed.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jona on February 08, 2014, 10:16:10 pm
My turn to use:

Quote from: Fips on February 08, 2014, 05:21:50 pm
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Quote from: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 06:28:02 pm
Edit: It's understandable that people will have complaints, but this is not how you go about getting things changed.

Lol, some people are always so serious. Anyways it was a moderately cheeky suggestion, not quite a demand. I am sorry if the you didn't pick up on the small bit of sarcasm in there, thought you were pro at that. The main problem here is that despite plenty of members of the community trying to contribute, they get put down and shunned at every opportunity. Then the guys who currently contribute to the mod ignore the suggestions of many of us "powerless" individuals, and due to their dumb, baseless pride, they ignore everyone's suggestions, oftentimes for the worse of the mod. Contrary to what you may think fips, helm's deep is the death of NA siege, as are a couple other maps that you are so determined to keep in the rotation. When people say a map sucks, it is generally due to balancing, and therefore the amount of fun to be had. It is no direct insult to your ability to make a map pretty. If you just had the stones to come forward and admit that you were in the wrong, and that yes, not every map you make is perfectly balanced or necessarily fun to play, and then took action in changing them or removing them from rotation until they are changed, then not so many of us would have an issue. And yes, it is not only myself. Often times when siege suddenly loses all its players after one of the dreaded maps comes along, someone is bound to say "fuckin fips..."
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 11:05:08 pm
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 10:16:10 pm
Lol, some people are always so serious. Anyways it was a moderately cheeky suggestion, not quite a demand. I am sorry if the you didn't pick up on the small bit of sarcasm in there, thought you were pro at that.
It's not just a "cheeky suggestion" or "a small bit of sarcasm" if when he asks you multiple times how you're duplicating these bugs, you just continue to avoid giving any sort of help.

As far as I am concerned, DTV has never been better. The people I talk to seem to be saying they enjoy it more as well. About the only time I enjoyed DTV more, was when it first came out(it was new), although I was probably enjoying the absurd rewards it had at the time rather than the gamemode itself.

Edit: You still seem to be avoiding any sort of help with the issue at hand. The only reason I could see as to why you'd do that, is your own overinflated ego. It's not like we're asking you to take back your words and apologize or anything.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jona on February 08, 2014, 11:12:53 pm
Quote from: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 11:05:08 pm
if when he asks you multiple times how you're duplicating these bugs, you just continue to avoid giving any sort of help.

Quote from: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 11:05:08 pm
if when he asks you multiple times how you're duplicating these bugs, you just continue to avoid giving any sort of help.

Quote from: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 11:05:08 pm
if when he asks you multiple times, you just continue to avoid giving any sort of help.

Quote from: Tydeus on February 08, 2014, 11:05:08 pm
you just continue to avoid giving any sort of help.



oh the irony.




Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: korppis on February 08, 2014, 11:15:02 pm
New DTV much more challenging and interesting than before. Good work guys!
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Fips on February 08, 2014, 11:57:09 pm
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 10:16:10 pm
Lol, some people are always so serious. Anyways it was a moderately cheeky suggestion, not quite a demand. I am sorry if the you didn't pick up on the small bit of sarcasm in there, thought you were pro at that. The main problem here is that despite plenty of members of the community trying to contribute, they get put down and shunned at every opportunity. Then the guys who currently contribute to the mod ignore the suggestions of many of us "powerless" individuals, and due to their dumb, baseless pride, they ignore everyone's suggestions, oftentimes for the worse of the mod. Contrary to what you may think fips, helm's deep is the death of NA siege, as are a couple other maps that you are so determined to keep in the rotation. When people say a map sucks, it is generally due to balancing, and therefore the amount of fun to be had. It is no direct insult to your ability to make a map pretty. If you just had the stones to come forward and admit that you were in the wrong, and that yes, not every map you make is perfectly balanced or necessarily fun to play, and then took action in changing them or removing them from rotation until they are changed, then not so many of us would have an issue. And yes, it is not only myself. Often times when siege suddenly loses all its players after one of the dreaded maps comes along, someone is bound to say "fuckin fips..."

Oh, and all the changes that i've done to ALL of the dtv maps are me not listening to the community? Ts, every patch i make a testrun on dtv for every map that has been changed/added to see what people want. Invisible walls were a mistake, too small maps that didn't support 30 players was a mistake, too, as was bad ranged support. That is all solved now.
EU side now has 2 dtv servers that are constantly populated with eu7 being full most of the time. And don't even think about telling me that's just because the exp is so good and it's easy to leech. Double xp on Battle and Siege has been going on for quite some time (Where you can get even more xp, a lot more) and yet people play it.

Mappers are putting so much effort into making maps and editing them and you fail to see how important that is for the mod. New things, even when they are not completely perfect in the beginning, always bring back some fun into the mod. I admit that the first versions of the dtv maps were not great, but they weren't complete rubbish either.

You know, there were exactly TWO applications for map managing. So if teeth and me wouldn't have stepped up, you'd still have the same rotation and maps like in early 2013. Maybe jacko would have put in a little bit of time for crpg, but we all know that project asinus has the highest priority. And it's not easy, not at all. When i decided to give the community something back after 2 years of just sitting back and nerding the game, i knew i had to make decisions that not everyone will like. And you are making it quite obvious that you don't like my decisions regarding dtv, but the problem is, you are being an asshat about it. I will continue to ignore you know, there will be other players who can help me fix that exploit. Or you know, if you still want to play crpg you might tell us as well.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jacko on February 09, 2014, 12:20:46 am
Fips and Teeth have been very responsive with the community, adding new new stuff, tweaking and fixing continuously, being extremely helpful for the Community. This sort of stuff you're posting Jona, is just sad.



Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: cmp on February 09, 2014, 12:23:44 am
Quote from: Jona on February 08, 2014, 11:12:53 pm
oh the irony.

Let's play a game: for each idiotic post you make before disclosing the exploit, you get 10 additional days of non-removable ban.
Doesn't work :(
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Mae. on February 09, 2014, 12:26:23 am
Quote from: Fips on February 08, 2014, 05:15:36 pm
Still no idea how you do it. Can anyone who doesn't have the "i hate the new dtv" goggles on please enlighten me?

fips was the first to respond to your thread and willing to make it right, yet you persist with the attitude. what was the real point of this thread is all i'm wondering..
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jona on February 09, 2014, 12:43:32 am
There was no point, that's the point.


For the record, I have no problem with Teeth at all.


Also, I have no problem with any other map maker's and I am glad people are making maps still. I regularly provide feedback on some guys' threads and applaud their efforts. The difference is, they can take criticism, while fips is laughably hurt by such things.

I have moved past DTV being broken at this point, the main issue is that shitty maps are killing NA siege time and time again. Personally, I would rather play with half the map rotation than what we currently have just to avoid broken maps. And I am sure I wouldn't be alone.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Smithy on February 09, 2014, 01:03:23 am
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on February 09, 2014, 12:23:44 am
Let's play a game: for each idiotic post you make before disclosing the exploit, you get 10 additional days of non-removable ban.

Blessed thee, for thine grand wisdom hath befallen our shoulders.  So as it is said, so shall it come to pass.  The good Lord Cmp hath spoken!  Praise be unto thee, O Lord!
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Uther Pendragon on February 09, 2014, 01:08:01 am
What Jona fails to deliver in a polite way, is that majority of positive feedback (said in-game, at least) about new DTV comes from people who leech there or treat it exclusively as a gold/exp farm, while much of complaining was done by people who always played DTV because they enjoyed it, they enjoyed the freedom, they enjoyed the "limitless" (not always smart) ways to engage bots and have fun.

I'm not saying the current DTV is utter shit, some of the things done by mapmakers are fun and we all appreciate them, but this stuff is just going in the wrong direction.

Quote from: Suchechka on December 29, 2013, 03:16:34 am
Shaddap. Gamemode perfect, xp/gold factory, where you can leech, if you want, or play - always will be players, who can do your duty. Just skip lame maps.

http://forum.melee.org/guides/2bach's-leeching-guide-for-dtv-leechers/

Nowadays you see 2-3 people with 13 shield-skill alts just setting themselves in the corners of the map and going AFK, dumbing down ANY map to a simple "wait for bots to come and get stuck, proceed to eliminate", so either you'll outlaw those sort of behaviour on DTV, or little will improve.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: karasu on February 09, 2014, 01:13:56 am
This is where Freedom of Speech gets a wrong turn.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Panos_ on February 09, 2014, 01:27:02 am
Quote from: karasu on February 09, 2014, 01:13:56 am
This is where Freedom of Speech gets a wrong turn.

Freedom of speech died when Socrates drunk the poison.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: ARN_ on February 09, 2014, 02:51:55 am
Quote from: Uther Pendragon on February 09, 2014, 01:08:01 am
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Wise words there master Pendragon, now let me tell my story. I have always loved dtv for the day I started to play crpg and have think I have spent at least 75% of my crpg time on dtv, and I have been in the two best dtv clan(leading one of them too) I think it's fair for me to say that I know my dtv.

One of the thing I loved most with dtv was to make an head on charge strait in to the bots and slash through them with my nodachi, but the best part of dtv was the guys community there, mostly nice guys(with some exceptions ofc, but you have to take that this is after all crpg :lol:) which you could have fun with playing with and have a great time. Because of that I could play there for hours without getting bored and still have fun.

But after Fips started to "flips" with it its not the same thing any more, I don't think have have play more then 30min straight of dtv since it got updated. So how could that make a guy who spent almost all his playing time on dtv to stop playing there? Simply cause it just got so boring just doing the same shieldwall all the time, even tho there have been some fixes that have made it not dat broken, and I'm thankful for that. To do the same thing over and over again is not fun, that was the good thing with old dtv there you at least had a choice, you could form an shield wall/use a roof/fence or other stuff or simply charge head on. I must admit that after testing some of the maps now they have become a bit better, but still not close to the old once.

Some thing that also have changed is that nowadays noone asks if you want to play some dtv, they say "Hey let's go and leech on dtv and get some exp" and that is what dtv has become a leecher heaven. And not enough with that but you also use those leecher as an argument that new dtv is better because it got more population.  Hell no its not like that sure eu7 is mostly full but there is rarely over 15 guys on hre server and before one of the servers were also almost full all the time, but it was not uncommon at all that both servers were full and I don't see that happen now. I for a fact know a lot of guys who played mostly dtv( and a lot) not playing now/ or very rarely(I'm one of them). I say fuck the leechers and make this gamemod for those who really enjoyed it again!

I'm not saying that you should try to improve the mod cause it's a great thing! :D but when it go the other way and things become worse like with dtv it's sad. And then when you are to proud to commit it and use arguments like the one I wrote before things have gone wrong. But who knows after a year or something dtv might be a great gamemod again who knows.

I just want to say that I didn't write this post to just shit on Fips and others I just wanted to express my feeling about what dtv has become. Even thought I don't generally don't like what dtv has become everything is not bad, like stuff as balistas, new waves(really awesome and I love that :D) and the map with a gate which you could open that one I liked basically because you had a lot of choices, you could charge out, make a shield wall or use the gate mechanism. Now when I think about it I must have played more the 30min straight on that map. Stuff like that is great and you should keep that up!

Sorry for the wall of text and for my bad writing skill, not really a fan of that but this is what I fell and had t write it, have a nice day/night fellow crpg nerds

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Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Elindor on February 09, 2014, 03:27:40 am
I do agree with Jona about the NA siege rotation (suggested to Fips which maps to remove, but they were put back in shortly after)...NA siege is like the #1 Endangered Species and it's sad.

However, Jona in this thread is kinda doing this...

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I think this is the second fight I've seen between Jona and Tydeus if I recall correctly...

As for DTV I don't really have any comments on it - Didn't play it before, don't play it now.  However, I agree with Uther that many people play it now who did not before simply because it is the best min/max way to gain exp and money.  Whereas in some ways this is good, it deteriorates the already limited populations of the other servers at least in NA (especially siege)...so for that reason the new state of DTV does concern me somewhat.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Mordred1622 on February 09, 2014, 03:31:23 am
The game eventually goes in the wrong direction for all the veterans left on this mod. Best thing to do is to quit playing when that happens, and if you do it right like me you will not return in over 8 months and counting.

P.S. Only visited due to steam message describing hilarious unacceptable developer behavior when presented with a client that they find unacceptable. And from reading this thread I find that, in fact, the developers did not handle this situation well with all the threats dealt. As a nurse, I find that therapeutic communication is key to establish rapport and get an angry client to comply with your directions, not making threats.
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Novamere on February 09, 2014, 03:34:37 am
Quote from: Elindor on February 09, 2014, 03:27:40 am
I think this is the second fight I've seen between Jona and Tydeus if I recall correctly...

If u get on Canary or Tydeus's bad side ur getting banned and for however long they want and no one can help you!
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: Jona on February 09, 2014, 03:45:43 am
Quote from: Elindor on February 09, 2014, 03:27:40 am
I do agree with Jona about the NA siege rotation (suggested to Fips which maps to remove, but they were put back in shortly after)...NA siege is like the #1 Endangered Species and it's sad.

However, Jona in this thread is kinda doing this...

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I think this is the second fight I've seen between Jona and Tydeus if I recall correctly...

Lol well of course all I am doing is diggin my own grave... all it takes to get permabanned is to get on an admins bad side... you know... admins, those "impartial" 3rd parties who should dish out justice, not stoop to the low levels of trolling, shit talking and such that we mere players regularly participate in.

As I said, I have no problems with changes being done, just the people making those changes. They refuse to take any negative criticism and respond rather violently. If given a position of leadership, or of power, you should expect to have shit thrown your way. If your skin isn't thick enough that you can't simply walk away from an internet debate not caring... something is wrong with your life and you should really start visiting a therapist.

Also, the fact that we have such a self-destructive community is disgusting, and I am starting to think that I will indeed be far better off not being around any longer. We've got an all-time low number of players, and because someone makes some cheeky comments on a thread or two, he deserves to never again come back... lol. There are plenty of people I have had disagreements with in the past... for example most of frisia during strat. But hey, it was all fun shit talking, drama, and I would sincerely hate to see any of those guys go, despite my current, or past, feelings towards them. Any player who leaves is a huge loss to the ever-shrinking community, and here because you don't agree with someone's views, you get rid of them forever? Sure, you can blame it on "abusing glitches" and such... but we both know how much bullshit that is. If any random guy posted these pictures saying "found out this cool glitch, not entirely sure how it happened" no action would be taken. If anything he would get a slap on the wrist for 'abusing' it and then go on his merry way. I have a practically non-existent ban history... the only bans I can recall were good fun between me and a friend who is actually an admin (yeah, can you believe it, I actually have an admin friend!)
Title: Re: Dark Voodoo
Post by: cmp on February 09, 2014, 04:12:46 am
You got it all wrong; you weren't permabanned for disagreeing or criticising or getting on an admin's bad side. You were permabanned because you used an exploit and refused to disclose it.
It's nothing new, we take cheating and exploiting seriously and punish it accordingly.