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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Realism Discussion => Topic started by: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 12:52:28 pm

Title: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 12:52:28 pm
Give all melee weapons a crushthrough chance which increases with weight of weapon and your powerstrike or str. And chance to avoid it should increase with str. A strong man can block a strong man's hit but a weak man cant block it. It's more realistic.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on February 05, 2014, 12:54:46 pm
Rondel Dagger crushes through a shield.

Imagine :O

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Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 12:56:53 pm
Quote from: Chris_the_Animal on February 05, 2014, 12:54:46 pm
Rondel Dagger crushes through a shield.

Imagine :O



with 0.2 weight? that would be bullshit yeah
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on February 05, 2014, 12:57:45 pm
45/3 Rondel Daggerer...
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 12:59:15 pm
easy to kill :D
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: F i n on February 05, 2014, 01:02:37 pm
i dunno. would rather make axes much more powerful vs shields and maybe give blunt weapons a crushthrough chance against 1h noshieldmelee.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 01:10:38 pm
Duels are so boring nowadays. Everyone knows how to block, how to chamber, how to avoid kicks. We need a system to make duels shorter and less boring. Its not just duels. Do you remember the days archers had a tiny hammer and blocked your glb or flamberge with it? Isnt it disturbing?
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: kinngrimm on February 05, 2014, 01:51:31 pm
distructable weapons, like shields, at one point they break.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Osiris on February 05, 2014, 02:16:53 pm
we need drop kick. when running and kicking you don't stop and kick you drop kick in the face of the enemy. you ofc land on the floor like you have been knocked down but it would be bad ass to drop kick people from walls :D
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Ronin on February 05, 2014, 05:18:20 pm
Good suggestion but don't forget this would include swords like arabian cavalry sword, long iron mace or whatever. Cavalry would have a very big edge with that speed bonus. Anyone played rhodok cavalry with morningstar in native? :P
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 05:36:24 pm
Quote from: Ronin on February 05, 2014, 05:18:20 pm
Good suggestion but don't forget this would include swords like arabian cavalry sword, long iron mace or whatever. Cavalry would have a very big edge with that speed bonus. Anyone played rhodok cavalry with morningstar in native? :P

thats realistic. and we want realism in games so its nice.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on February 06, 2014, 02:28:37 am
We need Euphoria
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Paul on February 09, 2014, 07:32:24 am
Has already been tried way back in Warband beta. Everyone hated it.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Macropus on February 10, 2014, 10:55:24 am
Interesting idea, but weapon stun is enough of advantage for heavy weapons and STR characters, crushthrough would be too much.

Quote from: Chris_the_Animal on February 05, 2014, 12:54:46 pm
Rondel Dagger crushes through a shield.

Imagine :O

(click to show/hide)
It's funny how you wrote a piece of bullshit and called it bullshit. Nice self-criticism, has nothing to do with the OP's suggestion though.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Utrakil on February 10, 2014, 02:13:58 pm
Would be ok if crushtrough would only guaranty a knockdown and not damage.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Corwin on February 10, 2014, 02:20:31 pm
This would totally change the game and make it the most awesome game ever.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Penitent on February 28, 2014, 09:55:25 pm
I don't think crushthrough is realistic, since when you block a weapon you do it at an angle, or approach form a certain vector that minimizes the impact.  That is how a rapier can block a claymore consistently, using the right technieque.  One does not block perpendicular to the impacting weapon unless there is no other choice.

However I AM a fan of weapons breaking.  People would have to carry backup weapons then -- but it would have to be a rare occurence.  +1 weapons could break unloomed weapons better, but not +2 and +3 weapons.  +3 weapons could have a chance of breaking all other, but cannot be broken.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 04, 2014, 06:48:10 am
Quote from: JennaHaze on February 05, 2014, 12:52:28 pm
A strong man can block a strong man's hit but a weak man cant block it. It's more realistic.


Given this is the realism section, I'll take this half seriously and say that nobody "blocks" anything and even with a shield will try and deflect. Flat-out blocking blows whether you are in marital arts, fencing, swordfighting or using shields is a great way to break whatever you are using and pulverize your own joints.


Carry on peasants, carry on.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Okkam on March 10, 2014, 05:19:57 pm
Quote from: Paul on February 09, 2014, 07:32:24 am
Has already been tried way back in Warband beta. Everyone hated it.

You mean - our chances is quite decent?
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Sniger on March 14, 2014, 11:56:17 am
gameplay > realism
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Penitent on March 19, 2014, 05:40:54 pm
Quote from: Sniger on March 14, 2014, 11:56:17 am
gameplay > realism

Not in a realism thread, buster.  Get your ass back to the suggestions or balance forum if you want to discuss any of these changes actually being implemented.  ;)
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: HarunYahya on March 19, 2014, 07:18:52 pm
In order to protect yourself from a strike "blocking" is not the only option.
In medieval combat , soldiers were usually deflecting the upcoming strike . You can stop or change the direction of the swing by admitting force to correct positon of the weapon being swung to you.(Science bitch!) Daggers were used to deflect gigantic swords and axes so your argumant is invalid.  In warband,blocking is just statically holding your weapon against a swing which is retarded. In reality, blocking was actually between chamber and block. You strike to deflect your enemy's weapon. We don't have that mechanics in this game and probably we won't have it in upcoming games because it is much more complicated and hard to adjust to game so just leave it as it is.
Title: Re: Crushthrough for all melee weapons
Post by: Nightmare798 on March 19, 2014, 07:23:57 pm
Quote from: Finuad on February 05, 2014, 01:02:37 pm
i dunno. would rather make axes much more powerful vs shields and maybe give blunt weapons a crushthrough chance against 1h noshieldmelee.

More powerful versus shields?

You know, axes arent THAT great against shields, especially against metal ones. I have trouble punching through plank when chopping it against fibre, and I am by no means weakling.