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Title: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:02:27 pm
I too often have my champ courser and champ arabian rear trying to run down a single enemy. 

do I have to stay away from high str chars or what makes a man rear a horse?
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on January 19, 2014, 02:05:12 pm
Polearms with 150 length or more and stab...? Also some poleaxes rear I think...
Dunno all conditions
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:06:43 pm
Quote from: Grumpy_Nic on January 19, 2014, 02:05:12 pm
Polearms with 150 length or more and stab...? Also some poleaxes rear I think...
Dunno all conditions

na i mean a guy.  just a guy.  not a weapon, no one attacking my horse.  a guy standing or running,  i bump him,  he falls down,  and my horse rears.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Grumbs on January 19, 2014, 02:10:39 pm
The game is kind of glitchy atm (has been for ages), might be lag factors and terrain making you lose momentum. I get similar issues on foot on certain terrain, especially when jumping or if you get any contact with other players

Poles of 141+ length don't actually need to get a clean hit btw, glances  or 1 or 0 damage hits seems to rear too so it might not look like you got hit but you did

Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: matt2507 on January 19, 2014, 02:10:57 pm
It often happens with the arabian horse.
I feel like it do particularly on full str, or maybe it has to do with the total weight of the equipment of the player.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on January 19, 2014, 02:16:27 pm
doesnt really happen with my mamluk or plated charger  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Latvian on January 19, 2014, 02:19:52 pm
i dont know since manly horses like plated charger dont have such problems

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Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:26:08 pm
ya full speed courser on plain ground charging down bars in plate armor,  afaik he has 24 str,  and my fucking horse rears.  ahrg.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Ikarus on January 19, 2014, 02:29:10 pm
can also happen if somebody glances your horse from the side
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 19, 2014, 02:30:26 pm
It shoudl just happen if you're too slow as far as I know.
Something like horse HP/Armor could change something though, since heavier horses dun need to be as fast as light ones to bump.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:31:09 pm
is it the charge value?  cause it never happened with old charge on the courser
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 02:34:06 pm
Quote from: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:31:09 pm
is it the charge value?  cause it never happened with old charge on the courser

It is about your net bump damage, and I believe charge helps a lot more than speed given max speeds nowadays are snail like.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:40:03 pm
so lets turn this into a buff speed or charge thread  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: BlueKnight on January 19, 2014, 02:44:14 pm
Quote from: Torben on January 19, 2014, 02:02:27 pm
I too often have my champ courser and champ arabian rear trying to run down a single enemy. 

do I have to stay away from high str chars or what makes a man rear a horse?
If you go for a bump with champion destrier on 3 enemies who stand in a line your horse will rear up on the last guy and they will kill you. For rouncey it may be even just 2 enemies bumped 1 after another. I guess it may be based on the bump damage of the horse, so cheaper horses that have less bump dmg will get reared on a group of enemies easier.

However this is just what I assumed from my cav experience so this may be only partially correct.

           enemies
cav     1  2  3
--->     .   .   .
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on January 19, 2014, 03:13:27 pm
I know some cheats can make your horse do yhohohoh. That's for sure.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Smithy on January 19, 2014, 03:33:46 pm
Quote from: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 02:34:06 pm
It is about your net bump damage

Exactly.  So the formula is essentially:

(Charge Value + Speed/Momentum) - (Enemy Armor) = Bump Damage

This is very rudimentary but, that is essentially how it works. (Based on Generation upon Generation of cavalry experience.  I'm not claiming to know how the numbers truly work.  This is just the basic idea.)
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2014, 03:41:17 pm
so higher armor also helps,  makes sense from what ive seen
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: BlueKnight on January 19, 2014, 03:54:20 pm
Quote from: Torben on January 19, 2014, 03:41:17 pm
so higher armor also helps,  makes sense from what ive seen
This is weird because Champ destrier still has enough speed (influencing bump damage) after 2 bumps on archers to deliver some damage to the 3rd one, yet horse stopps on the 3rd guy. I remember them Quincies standing in a row when I charged from the side and got stopped on the 3rd one and it wasn't the only case in which such thing happened.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on January 19, 2014, 05:22:37 pm
Anybody knows how many people a plated charger can bump at (initially) full speed until a full stop?
I've been through several crowds with it but never counted
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: the real god emperor on January 19, 2014, 05:41:41 pm
My usually gets rared if i bump many guys, or i am moving slowly to a target.So yes, its basicly about horse speed + charge
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: San on January 19, 2014, 07:40:48 pm
That's definitely a bug that occurs quite rarely. Very rage-inducing.
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 07:55:41 pm
Quote from: enigmatic_stranger on January 19, 2014, 03:13:27 pm
I know some cheats can make your horse do yhohohoh. That's for sure.

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Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: Ubereem on January 19, 2014, 09:58:50 pm
Quote from: Grumpy_Nic on January 19, 2014, 05:22:37 pm
Anybody knows how many people a plated charger can bump at (initially) full speed until a full stop?
I've been through several crowds with it but never counted
i dont know if u ever come to full stop with plated charger. i know plated charger can KO people going .000001 mph so i think that is what would happen. ud slow down to slowest possible speed but still knock people down. could be wrong though its been at least a year since i was cavmy old friend
Title: Re: what factors in to make a horse rear?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 21, 2014, 08:32:52 pm
I'm not sure if the damage you do to the person makes any difference.  I just think a person is a person, and doesn't matter how much armor or HP they have for determining if you get reared or not when bumping them. 

The only thing I've noticed that matters is how fast you're going and how much charge the horse you're on does.  For courser it can be risky trying to run over more than one person within 2 seconds or so time.