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Title: Sherlock
Post by: Falka on January 18, 2014, 09:55:07 pm
Sherlock, you disappointed me. Season 3 sucks  :(
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2014, 01:37:46 am
Wat? Season 3 was as good as the previous seasons. All the "murder mysteries" were stupid as fuck, but that's no different from the other episodes. The acting and dialogue was still great.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: pingpong on January 19, 2014, 02:05:54 am
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4 series, 8 seasons & 1 movie, and none of them sucked.

This yuppie hipster modern day sherlock is blasphemy!!
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: SixThumbs on January 19, 2014, 06:39:43 am
This yuppie hipster modern day sherlock is blasphemy!!

I'm reading the original four novels and I'm on the third now. Am I doing this hipster thing right?
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Molly on January 19, 2014, 08:38:23 am
There is hope for season 4 since Jim Moriarty seems to be back of some sort :)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Tagora on January 19, 2014, 08:50:12 am
I'm reading the original four novels and I'm on the third now. Am I doing this hipster thing right?
I just started reading the stories today...quite a lot better than any of the television.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 07:29:12 pm
I watched the pilot of this and immediately hated it. This Sherlock is incredibly pretentious and his "deductions" make zero sense. I know it's like that in the books too, but I don't care. Bullshit is bullshit.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2014, 07:48:56 pm
None of the deductions in any of any Sherlocks make any sense
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Tibe on January 19, 2014, 10:24:19 pm
I like it. Mybe this is a hipsterthing? Series gets popularity and some people deem it crap while giving bizarre reasons? Honestly I dont see it. Sofar this season seems roughly the same as the last ones. Minus the random casesolving, but the characters and the dialogue are there.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 10:56:50 pm
I like it. Mybe this is a hipsterthing? Series gets popularity and some people deem it crap while giving bizarre reasons? Honestly I dont see it. Sofar this season seems roughly the same as the last ones. Minus the random casesolving, but the characters and the dialogue are there.

Bizarre reasons ? Seriously what the main protagonist says sometimes is as believable as "This man died with his hand turned 90 degrees eastward therefore he must be muslim". I grew fond of another, quite similar series called "The Mentalist" but somehow this Sherlock character is insufferably pretentious while the mentalist is just a good guy happy douchebag, even though they have about the same role in the two series.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Laufknoten on January 19, 2014, 11:12:20 pm
British TV shows are the worst. I'm sure you can't name even a single decent british TV show, they're all crap. 
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 11:23:28 pm
British TV shows are the worst. I'm sure you can't name even a single decent british TV show, they're all crap.

Actually most of whatever I happen to find on british TV channels is so remote to anything I could imagine anyone would want to broadcast I just get hooked.

Of course it's not as sophisticated and "bourgeois-bohème" as ARTE or TV5Monde and far less neutral than Euronews but what can you do
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Overdriven on January 19, 2014, 11:56:24 pm
British TV shows are the worst. I'm sure you can't name even a single decent british TV show, they're all crap.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2014, 01:22:16 am
Elementary is a pretty good Sherlock series.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Tibe on January 20, 2014, 07:18:14 am
Bizarre reasons ? Seriously what the main protagonist says sometimes is as believable as "This man died with his hand turned 90 degrees eastward therefore he must be muslim". I grew fond of another, quite similar series called "The Mentalist" but somehow this Sherlock character is insufferably pretentious while the mentalist is just a good guy happy douchebag, even though they have about the same role in the two series.
I wasnt really refering to u, since well we cant all like the same things. I was refering to those that liked the first seasons and claim the current is bad.  I again dont like Mentalist. I've watched a few episodes and it feels incredibly generic to me. I mean by god, Teresa for instance is a totally bland character(based uppon those episodes ive watched). Sure some of this stuff in Sherlock doesnt make sense and he is a complete ass, but it's quite entertaining.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Jona on January 20, 2014, 08:10:04 am
Bizarre reasons ? Seriously what the main protagonist says sometimes is as believable as "This man died with his hand turned 90 degrees eastward therefore he must be muslim". I grew fond of another, quite similar series called "The Mentalist" but somehow this Sherlock character is insufferably pretentious while the mentalist is just a good guy happy douchebag, even though they have about the same role in the two series.

The mentalist is one of my favorites. Yet to watch the new sherlock series... been meaning to start it sometime (for a year or so, now) just havent had the time.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Falka on January 20, 2014, 04:36:27 pm
I like it. Mybe this is a hipsterthing? Series gets popularity and some people deem it crap while giving bizarre reasons? Honestly I dont see it. Sofar this season seems roughly the same as the last ones. Minus the random casesolving, but the characters and the dialogue are there.
I was refering to those that liked the first seasons and claim the current is bad.

I loved first 2 seasons, but the last one is crap, period. According to me ofc :P And I have a impression that most of fans - or at least those whose opinions I've read - are disappointed by last season. "Hipsterthing"? Bizarre argument.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on January 20, 2014, 05:08:49 pm
Another thing about the series is that Moffat keeps bunging in references to the books, but now I see it's more like he's reworking the stories to give them an original retelling. But Mark Gatiss is just being bloody self-indulgent.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Molly on January 20, 2014, 05:12:42 pm
I enjoy the series for its actors, their dialogues and the way it's filmed.

I think it's very entertaining and that is what I seek in a good show: entertainment.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2014, 05:15:07 pm
I loved first 2 seasons, but the last one is crap, period. According to me ofc :P And I have a impression that most of fans - or at least those whose opinions I've read - are disappointed by last season. "Hipsterthing"? Bizarre argument.
Why is it worse than the first 2 seasons? I found the quality identical.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: SixThumbs on January 20, 2014, 05:45:45 pm
I saw a trailer for the next generation Sherlock and that dude doesn't look aquiline enough.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 20, 2014, 07:03:35 pm
Season 3 is out? Fucking netflix is fucking with me..
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Osiris on January 20, 2014, 07:47:08 pm
Season 3 started on new years and has finished now on British TV :P im sure netflix doesn't get it instantly. And lets be honest a lot of people who believe they are smarter and better than others act like complete superior assholes  (just read some of xants posts) :D  Sherlock is an ass in the books too <3
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Falka on January 20, 2014, 08:11:40 pm
Why is it worse than the first 2 seasons? I found the quality identical.

Sherlock's character in previous seasons was shown consequently and with a dose of moderating (dunno how to put it correctly :P); his traits as a "higly funcional sociopath" wasn't overdrawn. In season 3 he's jumping from being some whinning idiot, through dimwit, unable to say a word in front of people, to murderous psychopath. And his mind's palace...  :rolleyes:

I do agree that crime riddles were silly in all seasons, but now there's general lack of any sense in all aspects of movie. And this pathetic villain, Moriarty's character has been built step by step through 5 episods while Magnuson jumped in like a rabbit from a hole (is there such a saying? probably not...) and now he's the most evil guy in the whole world? I don't buy it. Even Molly, so quiet and overwhelmed in first 2 seasons, now punches Sherlock in face.

My general impression is that series lost his characteristic climate, now it's a mix of soap opera and.. well, dunno what else.

Sherlock is an ass in the books too <3

Sherlock as an asshole was funny, the problem is now he's pitiful. 
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2014, 08:28:32 pm
The Magnuson plot was so retarded

As was the solution, because it was so obvious, and something any 5 year old should have seen coming (so should have Magnuson)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 21, 2014, 11:23:48 am
Season 3 started on new years and has finished now on British TV :P im sure netflix doesn't get it instantly. And lets be honest a lot of people who believe they are smarter and better than others act like complete superior assholes  (just read some of xants posts) :D  Sherlock is an ass in the books too <3

Dang it, hope ill get it soon..
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Son Of Odin on January 22, 2014, 10:15:58 am
British TV shows are the worst. I'm sure you can't name even a single decent british TV show, they're all crap.

You really haven't watched Doctor Who or Top Gear (not the 'murrican one) for example? Whoa, boy you don't know what you are missing!
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Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Grumbs on January 22, 2014, 11:51:22 am
Mark Gatiss comes from a comedic actor background, in popular comedy show The League of Gentlemen so I don't really expect stellar serious acting (though he does a fine job). He is to add colour to the show I think

Anyway, I was never a huge fan of Sherlock though I made myself watch the first two series and they were pretty decent. I liked the first episode of series 3 but the second two (especially the second) were kind of poor imo. The second felt like it had no real story running through it with all the flashbacks. The third was quite irritating with the storyline between Watson and his wife and the end was OK but they made it kind of clear that Sherlock was going to shoot him. Also it kind of felt like they were making Sherlock have some weired super hero powers with his mind palace

If they don't make more I won't mind but would probably watch them if they did. Not great, not terrible
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Laufknoten on January 22, 2014, 10:28:36 pm
You really haven't watched Doctor Who or Top Gear (not the 'murrican one) for example? Whoa, boy you don't know what you are missing!
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I don't care about Doctor Who hipster shit, I don't watch it and never will. The british Top Gear is indeed the best and most funniest show about cars, I gotta agree there.

Also my post wasn't anti-british, they just tend to mess up good TV show ideas because they don't have the means and actors at their disposal like Hollywood/US and just do a bad job in general. They still have a great sense of humor and some of the best musicians.  :D




Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on January 23, 2014, 12:36:44 am
The first episode of the third series opened well then decended into nonsense. Second episode continued in that nonsensical way. Third episode actually managed to wrap things up decently and was more or less interesting and well executed but the ending was so straight forward and dull that it made no sense.

I mean they set up Mr Murdoch as being very security conscious and then when he flies them to his house no one pats them down...

Also making every bad guy and autistic servant is just painful.

Rupert isn't a high functioning autistic servant, his just an Australian with a stick up his arse that controls a huge chunk of the worlds media... That's bad enough ffs.

They could have done something far more interesting. I think they let themselves down by not bringing in a couple of new writers to add to the team, they needed to put more effort into the plotting and come up with something mind bendingly complicated.

(nonsensical)Rant over.

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There is no point in comparing British television to TV from the USA. To totally different beast and with the expansion of HBO and Netflix that's going completely out the window.

What a lot of the lay people don't get is that the film and television industry is completely incestuous within the Anglosphere. American shows are filmed all over the anglosphere and out side of it as well. You can find British ADs on Australian films, Australia DOPs on fucking everything. And the actors go bloody everywhere!

In Australia you can earn a decent living as an accent couch for American accents, it's super important for everyone to be able to go broad with their accents and luckily for the Australian actors the Australian accent is super adaptable.

Case in point Margot Robbie - a total babe, kick arse actor and very awesome person to boot just had a major role in Wolf of Wall Street.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3053338/?ref_=tt_cl_t3

The notion of each area being a completely different beast isn't really true, but what is interesting is what happens when the money comes from different places.

Look at kick starter funded films vs studio vs indie vs government funded (BBC, Screen Australia) that's where the difference kicks in, in my opinion. By far the worst one is Screen Australia. They pump out utter shit. We used to make such fucking great movies but now we mostly pump out the same tired old shit, it's really sad. I'm actually leaving the country because of it, there's just no point in trying to make films here at the moment.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Osiris on January 23, 2014, 01:23:16 am
I think the next star trek film should be Khan getting sent back in time and facing off with Sherlock :D Double the cumberbatch double the Insane genius and maximum lulz
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: pingpong on January 23, 2014, 01:38:05 am
I don't care about Doctor Who hipster shit, I don't watch it and never will. The british Top Gear is indeed the best and most funniest show about cars, I gotta agree there.

Also my post wasn't anti-british, they just tend to mess up good TV show ideas because they don't have the means and actors at their disposal like Hollywood/US and just do a bad job in general. They still have a great sense of humor and some of the best musicians.  :D
They do have great TV shows like The Office,  Peep Show and IT Crowd, the problem is that they just write them off way too early or go on a long hiatus for some reason,  still waiting for that season 5 of IT crowd.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Leshma on January 23, 2014, 02:49:50 am
I wasnt really refering to u, since well we cant all like the same things. I was refering to those that liked the first seasons and claim the current is bad.  I again dont like Mentalist. I've watched a few episodes and it feels incredibly generic to me. I mean by god, Teresa for instance is a totally bland character(based uppon those episodes ive watched). Sure some of this stuff in Sherlock doesnt make sense and he is a complete ass, but it's quite entertaining.

I find you incredibly generic. But it's ok, you're Latvian. It was meant to be.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Leshma on January 23, 2014, 02:55:21 am
You really haven't watched Doctor Who or Top Gear (not the 'murrican one) for example? Whoa, boy you don't know what you are missing!
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Both suck. Brits have much, much better TV shows. That are actually funny and entertaining.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Grumbs on January 23, 2014, 03:46:53 am
I think the main problem with Sherlock is the subject matter is Mystery but the writers are standard drama writers. They don't really know how to tell a good mystery but as a drama they were OK.

If you want real Sherlock holmes style mystery then watch these: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086661/
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on January 23, 2014, 12:23:09 pm
Poirot is good mystery.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 23, 2014, 12:45:31 pm
Poirot is good mystery.
As someone who has watched all of them at least twice, I agree wholeheartedly. The mysteries are varied in quality and sometimes similar, but the characters are fantastic and makes me want to watch it over and over again.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Son Of Odin on January 23, 2014, 01:33:07 pm
As someone who has watched all of them at least twice, I agree wholeheartedly. The mysteries are varied in quality and sometimes similar, but the characters are fantastic and makes me want to watch it over and over again.

No one can hate Poirot.

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Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2014, 03:25:05 pm
Did Leshma really just write the TopGear sucks? What the I don't even i tragedy :shock:

How... I mean... why would you... that is... I can't...

/me explodes
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Osiris on January 23, 2014, 04:51:54 pm
To be fair most new British TV is shit. Its either Quiz shows or reality tv or soaps on these days :D you sometimes get a nice documentary series but mostly its OMG X Factor or Im a Celebrity or Dancing on ice or any of these utter trash tv shows :D (i dislike dr who btw)

The real good stuff we had/have are mostly comedy shows like:

Only Fools and Horses
Red Dwarf
Blackadder
The Royle family
Father Ted
Auf Wiedersehen, Pet
QI <-- most epic
Fawlty Towers


We have some decent panel shows like Have i got news for you but other than comedy its documentories :D The rest is terrible apart from the odd show here and there like Spooks and hustle  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Grumbs on January 23, 2014, 05:17:24 pm
How about Luther?


Do agree though, I stopped watching TV ages ago because of the internet. There are decent things though amongst the crap, like with any country. Helps to have the BBC though even if they do put some crap on BBC1
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2014, 06:09:49 pm
I like the current Sherlock - the cast is brilliant!
I am a huge Top Gear - there simply is no better car show!
I like Luther - his dark and gritty being plus the funny serial killer friend is a nice touch!
Death in Paradies - Love it! (new season just started with a sad event but I am already satisfied with the "replacement")
Inspector Barnaby is great fun! :D
Lewis is a great movie series too!

I like a lot of British shows simply for the reason that there isn't exploding shit every 30 seconds and there is no "PewPew, I shot the car and there it goes into a fireball" bullshit all the time like in most American shows.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on January 23, 2014, 06:37:23 pm
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Richard Ayoade does direct stuff too (like Arctic Monkeys videos; he is mates with Alex Turner), afaik he's still around the UK mostly! (Also I served him once in the shop I worked, his local toy shop :P)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Grumbs on January 23, 2014, 06:49:22 pm
Oh also, forgot about Broadchurch. Decent murder mystery with one story that spreads over 8 episodes.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2249364/