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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Rico on January 17, 2014, 11:09:10 am

Title: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Rico on January 17, 2014, 11:09:10 am
In my opinion, this weapon is too expensive to be usable with the current stats. Comparison to similar weapons:

Short Falchion:
Both weapons have the same speed. Wakizashi is longer and has a stab, but 1 cut damage less. Upkeep difference: 442

Italian Falchion:
Same stab damage and lenght. Wakizashi is faster, but has 5(!) cut damage less. Upkeep difference: 214

Nordic Short War Sword:
The Nordic Short War Sword is better in every category except for speed. Wakizashi has only 1 stab less, while all other stats are significantly better. Upkeep difference: 260

In conclusion, the Wakizashi is totally overpriced for its stats. Please buff its stats within reason or make it significantly cheaper.

Have fun and good games!

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Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Viriathus on January 17, 2014, 02:18:17 pm
Wakizashi is a sin, nobody should use it
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 17, 2014, 02:24:23 pm
In my opinion, this weapon is too expensive to be usable with the current stats. Comparison to similar weapons:

Short Falchion:
Both weapons have the same speed. Wakizashi is longer and has a stab, but 1 cut damage less. Upkeep difference: 442

Italian Falchion:
Same stab damage and lenght. Wakizashi is faster, but has 5(!) cut damage less. Upkeep difference: 214

Nordic Short War Sword:
The Nordic Short War Sword is better in every category except for speed. Wakizashi has only 1 stab less, while all other stats are significantly better. Upkeep difference: 260

In conclusion, the Wakizashi is totally overpriced for its stats. Please buff its stats within reason or make it significantly cheaper.

Have fun and good games!

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Dude, it is not just some kind of wakizashi. This is a 1000000 times folded wakizashi from another dimension where it is a prized weapon of god of war.

If you wanna be a weaboo, you gotta pay for it.

Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Kafein on January 17, 2014, 02:41:11 pm
I'm going to use a wakizashi with my black assassin gear just to annoy you rico
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Nehvar on January 17, 2014, 06:48:11 pm
You're right, the wakizashi is grossly underpowered compared to its cost.  To solve this I think they should completely remove all weaboo gear from the mod -- It's the only thing to do.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Ronin on January 17, 2014, 06:49:30 pm
The only reason people wakizashi is, it looks nice with a katana. :)
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Grumbs on January 17, 2014, 07:05:15 pm
1 handeds are OP, buffing more is the wrong way to go about balancing
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: San on January 17, 2014, 07:14:32 pm
Maybe those weapons are too cheap? Wakizashi is pretty good already.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Molly on January 17, 2014, 07:40:38 pm
Wakizashi is probably the most useless item in the whole 1h category.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Nehvar on January 18, 2014, 01:54:50 am
Practice. Dagger.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Battlepriest on January 18, 2014, 04:51:11 am
Practice. Dagger.

Useful as a joke weapon, tho
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Jarold on January 18, 2014, 06:00:45 am
Weaboo tax.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Kafein on January 18, 2014, 08:11:17 am
1 handeds are OP, buffing more is the wrong way to go about balancing

1h op, 1h knockdown op, 1h stabs op

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And yeah the wakizashi sucks



Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Molly on January 18, 2014, 10:14:35 am
I consider my MW Wakizashi a fashion item. Certainly can't be called weapon :P
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Rico on May 01, 2014, 05:55:36 pm
Give it one more cut please. Otherwise it is weaker than the Short Falchion but it costs 6 times as much...
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Ujio on May 03, 2014, 06:47:46 am
Weapons need to be priced on their effectiveness, not some dork's prejudice.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Nightmare798 on May 06, 2014, 08:31:49 pm


Exept that wakizashi barely ever seen real combat irl. And what is with clothes costng 3 grand huh?
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Ujio on May 07, 2014, 01:53:43 pm
Exept that wakizashi barely ever seen real combat irl. And what is with clothes costng 3 grand huh?

Sorry, don't understand your post.

How was the Wakizashi not used in "real" combat?

It probably wouldn't have been used in Armored combat very often,
but Unarmored combat would be a different matter,
especially in close quarter/indoor combat.

Seems "real" to me.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Phew on May 07, 2014, 08:00:23 pm
Fight someone with 200 wpf and a Masterwork Wakizashi and tell me it's under-powered. San's Liuyedao barely renders an animation, and that's 2 speed slower.

Short Falchion is also very good, and a good value. Wakizashi is expensive because it's stylish.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on May 07, 2014, 08:03:59 pm
who even cares about upkeep these days?
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Trikipum on May 09, 2014, 05:23:41 am
Wakizashi is probably the most useless item in the whole 1h category.
Yes it is. They should add it a secondary mode and make it throwable. Now that would be very ninja like and fitting...
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Trikipum on May 09, 2014, 05:25:24 am
Exept that wakizashi barely ever seen real combat irl. And what is with clothes costng 3 grand huh?
Oh?, Are you serious?. I bet most fights degenerating in  grappling actually ended with one of those fancy japanese knives in one of the fighter's faces...
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 12, 2014, 06:26:53 pm
Wakizashi is the fastest 1h sword in the game. only daggers are faster. I'd say they're pretty well balanced for what they are.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Nightmare798 on May 12, 2014, 06:48:47 pm
Oh?, Are you serious?. I bet most fights degenerating in  grappling actually ended with one of those fancy japanese knives in one of the fighter's faces...

Sure, Like you are totally going to grab someone on the battlefield who wields 1,2m long sword. By real combat I mean real battlefield condition or siege, not some street brawl.

This grapling you are talking about only happoens in movies. In fact, nobody sane would try to grapple someone else who wields two handed sword.
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Molly on May 12, 2014, 07:14:46 pm
I guess all those Asian martial arts with their fancy grapples, throws and hand to hand combat were just funny hobbies among the common people?
Title: Re: Item Balance: Wakizashi
Post by: Nightmare798 on May 12, 2014, 08:50:03 pm
I guess all those Asian martial arts with their fancy grapples, throws and hand to hand combat were just funny hobbies among the common people?

They were designed for traditional duels, a contest of arts and techniques, not for usage on a place where several hundred people fight between each other at same time.

The point was that wakizashi was self defence weapon much like knife or folding batton nowadays. They are designed for emergency usage, not for full on combat. Try to compare small folding baton to those long nightsticks armored cops use.