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Title: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: slimpyman on January 14, 2014, 05:23:41 am: I logged on for the first time in months, and noticed when i whipped out my +3 rondel, i couldnt toggle to swings... Now my pike build is pretty much null and void. what good is pulling out a rondel dagger in close quarters when all they need to do is still only block down (so dumb). So then i look at the shop. It looks like the long dagger is longer, has a swing, quicker, cheaper upkeep, and only 1 less pierce on the stab. So what the fuck do i do with this +3 rondel. I dont even see it listed in the marketplace.

Anyone wanna swap?

Devs wanna implement some mechanic where you can switch out this rondel trash for something less trashy?
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: pingpong on January 14, 2014, 09:18:08 am: It got nerfed because every dirtbag douche used it with shield and this combined with 4D pierce attacks made it very OP.
If you look at it closely you see that it looks more like a screwdriver than blade, you wouldnt try to slash people with a fucking screwdriver IRL would you? It should have been a 1D thrust weapon when it was added because thats how it was used in medieval times, to finish up opponents in plate armor with a single thrust to the neck.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Moncho on January 14, 2014, 11:36:45 am: The swings were meant to be like this (gripping the dagger the other way around, but they never got around changing the model):
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Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: darmaster on January 14, 2014, 11:44:54 am: like you didn't know from the start that it would have been nerfed; you really want an item that costs 598 gold to be that useful? fuck it, why can't i set people on fire with my torch? if i loom it do i have any chance of causing a burn to the opponent?
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 14, 2014, 11:47:37 am: Just get a short sword and call it day.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Spurdospera on January 14, 2014, 12:09:04 pm: Well, wouldn´t consider rondel to be any worse than long dagger. The thing that makes rondel so good and spammable is the fact that it only has 1 attack direction, huge buff when you maneuver around in group of tincans. If rondel would have any more attack directions it would only nerf it since there would be risk of sideswings in middle of spam and glance and death. Ofcourse only one attack direction is easy to block but then again who goes dueling with rondel anyway? It´s a backstab weapon afaik.

tl;dr: Rondel is still viable, playing style is just different from other daggers.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: slimpyman on January 15, 2014, 03:35:15 pm: i would have been fine with damge nerf honestly... its like, seriously, when something is nerfed to the point where it literally has no trade value in the marketplace, you know something went wrong somewhere. when i went out of my way for a +3 rondel, and now i can not recoup its own value or a different +3 its jacked up. hell id rather +3 my wookie boots if id known they were gonna take the shit away.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Strudog on January 15, 2014, 03:39:13 pm: Quote from: slimpyman on January 15, 2014, 03:35:15 pm
i would have been fine with damge nerf honestly... its like, seriously, when something is nerfed to the point where it literally has no trade value in the marketplace, you know something went wrong somewhere. when i went out of my way for a +3 rondel, and now i can not recoup its own value or a different +3 its jacked up. hell id rather +3 my wookie boots if id known they were gonna take the shit away.

You picked an OP weapon to use and now you are complaining it got nerfed? The rondel still has more value than a HEavy lance, i dont see those guys complaining.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: //saxon on January 15, 2014, 04:34:18 pm: ever since it was added, ive always debated on how it could slash with that amount of damage, it didn't make any sense for it to slash at all. so the nerf was needed.

serves you right for wanting a broken weapon really mate

ive always known not to go for weapons that are in high aggro to get nerfed. (a high amount of the player base putting threads on the forum asking for a certain weapon to get nerfed)

For example: http://forum.melee.org/the-chamber-of-tears/nerf-rondel-54439/ (http://forum.melee.org/the-chamber-of-tears/nerf-rondel-54439/)

Suggestion:

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Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: slimpyman on January 27, 2014, 04:37:03 am: i literally used the rondel to supplement my pike. some people are good at blocking down when im using my pike, so i put like 100 1h points so I could use the rondel for the swings. i dont care if the dmg got nerfed, but now I got a +3 rondel, whichs utility laid in its ability to swing... now anyone who can block down can win against my pike/rondel build.

crpg is going downhill in alot of other aspects as well.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Tibe on January 27, 2014, 06:39:49 am: Quote from: slimpyman on January 27, 2014, 04:37:03 am
i literally used the rondel to supplement my pike. some people are good at blocking down when im using my pike, so i put like 100 1h points so I could use the rondel for the swings. i dont care if the dmg got nerfed, but now I got a +3 rondel, whichs utility laid in its ability to swing... now anyone who can block down can win against my pike/rondel build.

crpg is going downhill in alot of other aspects as well.
This is downhill for u? Quite the opposite. And such a thing like a pike/rondel build does not exsist. U have a Pole/1h build. Use a freaking "Broad Short Sword" or any other 1h weapon. They are pretty powerful. Dont tell us that you are suddenly incapable of killing anything now that the OP Rondel got nerfed. Because if you do, it just proves how badly it needed a nerf in the first place. Aslong as you got the weaponclass WPF you have no excuse. The only thing you should be complaining about is the oblivious marketvalue of your MW that suddenly got, I imagine dropped significantly.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Andswaru on January 27, 2014, 06:49:19 am: If he only wants to swing their is lots of other more effective suggestions at 100wpf and some PS.

Spiked club springs to mind directly or if thats too slow the Short Falchion is fast as frig, both also have some "reach".
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Johammeth on January 27, 2014, 07:31:31 am: Ignore everything else; 4d pierce is obscenely strong.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 27, 2014, 08:13:08 am: Quote from: darmaster on January 14, 2014, 11:44:54 am
... fuck it, why can't i set people on fire with my torch? if i loom it do i have any chance of causing a burn to the opponent?

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Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: darmaster on January 27, 2014, 01:27:49 pm: What are you..

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Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Kafein on January 27, 2014, 01:32:12 pm: Armpit what have you done
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 27, 2014, 02:22:50 pm: Quote from: Kafein on January 27, 2014, 01:32:12 pm
Armpit what have you done

What?.. Am I missing something?..

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Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Oberyn on January 27, 2014, 02:42:34 pm: Just desserts. This is pretty much exactly the shadenfreude is was hoping for when I typed ingame "I can't wait for rondel to be get the nerf it so obviously deserves". If you couldn't see it coming, you weren't paying attention. Although you didn't use it with a steel shield and 21 agility, so you weren't the worst offender by far.
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: Leesin on January 27, 2014, 03:05:13 pm: Maybe you should be as optimistic as "T_mgstr_Grellenort", he is asking for a +3 Destrier and 55k gold in exchange for his +3 Rondel Dagger.

By optimistic I meant delusional :lol:
Title: Re: Back, And the rondel!
Post by: LordRichrich on January 27, 2014, 03:50:08 pm: You've always been told not to base your build around a single weapon. And common sense should tell you not to loom an OP weapon if you'll bitch about the nerfs. Like all the archers who loomed spathion when it was 0 slot, it wasn't going to stay that way clearly.