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Title: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 10:48:44 am
1. Name of your character involved
TRUEGOD_PUBTRASH_DUMPSTRNERD
2. Name of offending character(s)
BRONEETA
3. Time and server, as accurately as possible
4:30 AM EST ~ish~
4. Written description of what happened, the whole story. Also what happened before and after.
I died during a round after going for the flags instead of engaging the enemy (I had 0 ps vs plate and couldn't do anything but glance with my daggers)
5. Why you think the offender did what he did.
Because no admins were on
6. Multiple Screenshots
Coming in second post
7. Names of players that can witness what happened.
INTERNET_EXPLORER (he may not vouch, he was in semenstorm as well)
SELEUCUS_XIV
*EDIT* I bet Rishu_BRD could probably witness it too.  So could the guy who got valour (forget his name sorry)


pictures coming in text post.  2 pictures.  Pictures of resh after TW then pictures of about 15 seconds into round before the pictures fade off screen (obvious to tell TW at start of round)
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 10:49:21 am
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Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 10:51:06 am
As you can see from the pics, start of round (polearm_woot just won valour) and then TWs start almost immediately at spawn.


This player is in a pretty senior clan.  They knew the rules, they knew what they did.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 10, 2014, 10:57:39 am
he was delaying.. leeching..  at around 3:30 in the morning.. no one is on at the time to watch any of that. check the logs. Didn't tk so he would get the message since no admin was on.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 11:00:51 am
he was delaying.. leeching..  at around 3:30 in the morning.. no one is on at the time to watch any of that. check the logs. Didn't tk so he would get the message since no admin was on.

You're so full of shit it hurts.  Don't defend yourself, I didn't delay at all.  I actively engaged anyone I could damage and tried to run for the flags from the 1 guy I couldn't hurt.  AND he ends up killing me the round before (I can provide a SS if required).

You're also acting cocky about the banthread in later chatlog after you TW me.


*EDIT* changed TK to TW above, as he only TW me at spawn, didn't completely TK me.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 10, 2014, 11:01:57 am
You were running away from the enemy.. at no point did you intend to attack.. in the end you dropped your weapons and and tried to fist punch.. the enemy did nothing to you until he got tired of the delay as well.

That's just pretty much it.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 11:03:18 am
You're so full of shit it hurts.  Don't defend yourself, I didn't delay at all.  I actively engaged anyone I could damage and tried to run for the flags from the 1 guy I couldn't hurt.  AND he ends up killing me the round before (I can provide a SS if required).

You're also acting cocky about the banthread in later chatlog after you TW me.


maybe I'm wrong, but this picture seems like you don't care if you don't get banned....

*EDIT*

Last picture had my name in it, so I removed.  Picture w/o posted

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Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 11:04:28 am
You were running away from the enemy.. at no point did you intend to attack.. in the end you dropped your weapons and and tried to fist punch.. the enemy did nothing to you until he got tired of the delay as well.

That's just pretty much it.

There was no dropping of my weapons.

I unequipped my throwing daggers, if that's what you meant.


But then again, they don't have a melee mode AND i get stunned for using them... sounds like you have a gripe with the mod/dev team, not me?

Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 10, 2014, 11:24:38 am
No I don't care if I get banned for hitting you a couple of times for the delay/leeching you did for that round at around 3:00-3:30 am in the morning.. no one is going to wait for you and there was no admin to do anything so I did what I thought would have gotten your attention.. and clearly it did.

After that you didn't do such stupid thing and we played decently for the most part.

So yes, if I deserve a ban for it.. whatever.. but don't say it wasn't warranted.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 11:28:09 am
No I don't care if I get banned for hitting you a couple of times for the delay/leeching you did for that round at around 3:00-3:30 am in the morning.. no one is going to wait for you and there was no admin to do anything so I did what I thought would have gotten your attention.. and clearly it did.

After that you didn't do such stupid thing and we played decently for the most part.

So yes, if I deserve a ban for it.. whatever.. but don't say it wasn't warranted.

Honestly, I'm not sure what this is even about.

My loadout before that map was 2x throwing lance + 1x shield (horseman's shield) and 1x heavy throwing axes.  Which I threw my lances every round, and tried to melee/ throw heavy throwing axes.


There was a few times where I sat still while typing to the other thrower (seculeus -- I just butchered his name) but it by no mean was intentionally delaying.  We were literally discussing throwing builds....


Vigilante justice isn't justice.  It's just lawlessness.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 10, 2014, 11:35:11 am
You were indeed discussing throwing builds as we were all dead.. and as you were doing so you were moving away from the enemies.. thus delaying. It happened for quite some time too.. once an enemy was close enough to kill you, you decided to drop your weapons and rather than melee you blocked with your fists and proceeded to run away.

The other guy got tired of the delay and killed you.

That's what happened.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 11:57:52 am
You were indeed discussing throwing builds as we were all dead.. and as you were doing so you were moving away from the enemies.. thus delaying. It happened for quite some time too.. once an enemy was close enough to kill you, you decided to drop your weapons and rather than melee you blocked with your fists and proceeded to run away.

The other guy got tired of the delay and killed you.

That's what happened.

There was never any dropping of any melee weapons.

I don't know where you get this.  It's absolutely rubish.  Rishu came up to me and I had shield + MW throwing dagger equiped.  I can't damage anyone at melee range with that combo.


What you want me to just get STUNNED cause I have a throwing weapon out?  EVEN WHEN I HAVE SHIELD HE STILL STUNS ME.

 I should avoid this thread, clearly we're just going to get in a dumb flame war...

Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 10, 2014, 12:19:09 pm
There's nothing to it really.. drop it or not you had no weapon in your hands when the enemy finally reached you and thats that.. you ran away, he killed you finally.

Nothing to it.. whatever.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Jeade on January 10, 2014, 12:30:12 pm
This is from the moment of the second to last kill to the final kill involving Rishu.
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Roughly two minutes passed before DumpsterNerd was killed and I have no idea how it's possible to chat so much for two minutes on that map as the last player on a team without intentionally delaying.
Seemed like IE made a comment about it too: "[01:21:17] chat,,Internet_Explorer,team,didnt know people came here to socialize"

I don't know what was going on, if you dropped your weapons and let yourself die when someone finally caught up to you or what.
Either way, Krosis mentioned numerous times that you were delaying and you haven't once argued that you weren't.
You're only denying that your dropped your weapons.

If this annoyed you so much, I'm not sure as to why you wouldn't have reported his teamwound from the round earlier, either.
Post the screenshot as there's nothing I can pull from the logs in that regard.

I'll check back in the morning/afternoon. See if you can get Rishu or IE or one of the other witnesses in here as well.


Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 10, 2014, 02:22:15 pm
This is from the moment of the second to last kill to the final kill involving Rishu.
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Roughly two minutes passed before DumpsterNerd was killed and I have no idea how it's possible to chat so much for two minutes on that map as the last player on a team without intentionally delaying.
Seemed like IE made a comment about it too: "[01:21:17] chat,,Internet_Explorer,team,didnt know people came here to socialize"

I don't know what was going on, if you dropped your weapons and let yourself die when someone finally caught up to you or what.
Either way, Krosis mentioned numerous times that you were delaying and you haven't once argued that you weren't.
You're only denying that your dropped your weapons.

If this annoyed you so much, I'm not sure as to why you wouldn't have reported his teamwound from the round earlier, either.
Post the screenshot as there's nothing I can pull from the logs in that regard.

I'll check back in the morning/afternoon. See if you can get Rishu or IE or one of the other witnesses in here as well.


Wait, so TK/TW when admins aren't on is OK in certain situations?  Is what what we should take from this? 

About not reporting earlier, I didn't care about the TWs until it was right at the start of the round.


Also, is it truly delaying/leeching to pick only ranged weapons?  If so, that's a pretty ehhhhhhh rule.\



EDIT:

In my very first response to his post, I told him I wasn't delaying.  ("I wasn't delaying at all").


Should I continue to echo that?  Normally I figured the rules for this tread were ignore the trollbait after you've dealt with it.

Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Jeade on January 11, 2014, 02:11:25 am
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No, TW/TK'ing when admins aren't around is the reason the ban forums exist.
What Krosis should have done is asked you not to delay another round and post here for delaying had it happened again.

As for throwing, if you've run out of throwing weapons and are searching the map for additional throwing weapons, that is considered delaying.
Quote
- No drawing/delaying the round on purpose (i.e. running away or camping unreachable places when you're one of the last people alive)
OK: running away and shooting enemies that are reachable by projectiles
NOT OK: running away or avoiding confrontation when there is nobody to shoot in range or everyone is behind cover.
NOT OK: running away or avoiding confrontation to search for ammo

If what I'm getting is correct, you had run out of secondary-capable throwing weapons and only had daggers.
Within the two minutes of running around, you should have picked up another weapon off the ground and gone in to fight with it.
I understand that's less than ideal, but if you had the time to chat about throwing builds for two minutes on that map without dying or killing someone else...

As for the edit, I get it, I'm merely surprised you were only echoing the bit about not dropping your weapons.
It seems like you didn't feel you were delaying or annoying anyone by searching for throwing weapons while understanding you had nothing to fight back with at close range.

I'll leave this open a bit longer and let you respond.


Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 11, 2014, 08:08:53 am
I will say that at no point was he looking for any sort of ammo to attack.. he was walking while typing throughout.. until one of the I believe 3 guys remaining got close enough to kill him.. put his weapon away, blocked with fists.. the guy did nothing, he turned around and ran.. guy changed his mind and slashed.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 11, 2014, 06:55:40 pm
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No, TW/TK'ing when admins aren't around is the reason the ban forums exist.
What Krosis should have done is asked you not to delay another round and post here for delaying had it happened again.

As for throwing, if you've run out of throwing weapons and are searching the map for additional throwing weapons, that is considered delaying.
If what I'm getting is correct, you had run out of secondary-capable throwing weapons and only had daggers.
Within the two minutes of running around, you should have picked up another weapon off the ground and gone in to fight with it.
I understand that's less than ideal, but if you had the time to chat about throwing builds for two minutes on that map without dying or killing someone else...

As for the edit, I get it, I'm merely surprised you were only echoing the bit about not dropping your weapons.
It seems like you didn't feel you were delaying or annoying anyone by searching for throwing weapons while understanding you had nothing to fight back with at close range.

I'll leave this open a bit longer and let you respond.

Take the context of the # of players in the round at that point please:

5v5 I think were the teams, on the conan map.  It's hard to find a weapon there, especially since when I did finally start punching the guy, that became delaying too...

Honestly Krosis, you were wrong.  I was throwing knives at rishu the whole time.  He had knives stuck in him that just pinked off lol.

When I started punching it was because I was hoping THAT could hurt him.  no luck there either.

*TO CLARIFY* I have 21 str, my punches do decent damage somestimes



If it's really delaying to not bring a melee capable throwing weapon with my shield, that's something I really didn't know.  I was under the assumption weapon = weapon (similarly when HX or HA only bring bow + arrows). 

If you're 'supposed' to bring melee capable weapon, why not replace fists with a shitty dagger instead of forcing players to waste slots when throwing is already relatively handicapped in that department.

*EDIT*
Honestly, at this point, I don't care about the ban anymore.  To be honest, I wouldn't have posted the ban thread if Krosis hadn't been so cocky about TKing me, confident he could get off.

Ban him or just close and lock this thread, I don't care the result anymore.  It's pointless to keep fighting for something insignificant that happened in a game over 24 hours ago lol
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Krosis on January 11, 2014, 09:27:58 pm
tldr; all until I saw my name

never tk'd you..

never cocky about..

i never really cared tbh.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: DumpsterNerd on January 11, 2014, 10:08:28 pm
tldr; all until I saw my name

never tk'd you..

never cocky about..

i never really cared tbh.

You're right.  You team wounded at spawn, which is still against the rules.  lol.
Title: Re: [BAN] BRONEETA TW at start of round, attempted TK but he failed
Post by: Jeade on January 12, 2014, 01:02:38 am
If it's really delaying to not bring a melee capable throwing weapon with my shield, that's something I really didn't know.  I was under the assumption weapon = weapon (similarly when HX or HA only bring bow + arrows). 

If you're 'supposed' to bring melee capable weapon, why not replace fists with a shitty dagger instead of forcing players to waste slots when throwing is already relatively handicapped in that department.

*EDIT*
Honestly, at this point, I don't care about the ban anymore.  To be honest, I wouldn't have posted the ban thread if Krosis hadn't been so cocky about TKing me, confident he could get off.

Ban him or just close and lock this thread, I don't care the result anymore.  It's pointless to keep fighting for something insignificant that happened in a game over 24 hours ago lol

You're not in the wrong to make that link between a thrower with knives and a HA with arrows.
However, when the HA runs out of arrows, he needs to either (quickly, mind you) find a melee weapon and fight with it or dismount and die.
Looking for additional ammo is not an option for the HA in that situation as he'd be delaying.
If the HA is unable to find a melee weapon after 30 seconds or so, you get to that point where most reasonable people would say "Ah fuck it, this is taking too long. I'll end the round for everyone."

Again, I don't have screenshots and the logs only tell us so much, so I have no idea if you were kiting Rishu for two minutes, if you were kiting and looking for a melee weapon for two minutes or what.
I don't think there's any way for two minutes to pass with that few people on that map without unnecessarily delaying a round.
Krosis was probably pissed off and dealt with it inappropriately, and I don't think either of you are making anything up in your stories.
They're both pretty reasonable, but I think you ran around chatting for waaaay too long and Krosis slashed you for it in the next round.

You've both been around for a long while and neither of you have any annoying running ban records, so I'll take you up on your suggestion to drop the request altogether.

Be respectful of the other players in the round, especially when the population dwindles in the early hours.
Mindfulness would have prevented the ban request entirely.

Screenshot or contact an admin if it's truly necessary. You can find me on Steam or in TS at relatively absurd hours.
I'd be more than happy to hop in game and check something out if anyone needs it.
Teamwounding in spawn isn't the way to go as it will likely get you banned.

Edit: Apologies for coming back to this after the thread has been locked but I do want to clarify this is a warning to both of you.
Do not teamwound in spawn. Do not delay rounds.