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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hirlok on December 12, 2013, 09:58:28 pm
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All the "nerf ranged" qq'ing during the past days brought back an old topic to my mind:
why the fuck do we ranged guys waste so many bolts/arrows/throwingshits on each other???
this is stupid.
50% of ranged kills (or more) are other ranged - and abused by melee whiners to bolster their statistics about the oh so op archers...
So, my old friendchers, xbow my old friends, throwing bastards and other ranged scum:
I declare a truce with all of you.
No ranged shooting (except ha ;-) ) for one week. Anyone with me on that?
Attack their [I]nfantry!!!
P.S.: come on, melee!!! if this thread does not get me to "watched" status, I am offended. Keep dem downvotes coming! ;-)
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yeah, just turn the servers even more in unplayable shit holes, then you all can shoot each other in medieval counterstrike soon, gg.
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go die in a fire
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... NA
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I was an archer, they don't shoot each other. Reason: it's risky, another archer can kill you and end the fun sooner then expected.
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I was an archer, they don't shoot each other. Reason: it's risky, another archer can kill you and end the fun sooner then expected.
As an archer on my main, I shoot other archers and horses the most. Also strength crutching armor bads like Horns. Then I work on the rest of the team if I'm still alive. Hirlok and I have had many a fine archer duel.
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I was an archer, they don't shoot each other.
lies. obviously and for obvious reasons.
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lies. obviously and for obvious reasons.
Manhunting is more fun though
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Hirlok and I have had many a fine archer duel.
LOL Bronto, indeed! ...and I think many of them happened at a time where longbow had pierce and those pussies really would have had something to bitch about ;-)
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Hirlok, you're stand-up archer. Never before seen player enjoying shooting with 300 ping and pulling out melee weapon every time infantry comes close. You know theres no chance to win in melee yet you do it. I respect that.
But EU archers are different. They are min-maxing, opportunist, delaying scum.
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DEMON!
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I'd also like to add that I know Hirlok is a good guy for having previous civil interactions with him a long time ago. But that doesn't give him a free pass on being a total dick showing a complete lack of understanding like right now.
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Hirlok, you're stand-up archer. Never before seen player enjoying shooting with 300 ping and pulling out melee weapon every time infantry comes close. You know theres no chance to win in melee yet you do it. I respect that.
But EU archers are different. They are min-maxing, opportunist, delaying scum.
not all, when i play my archer i dont run cause im a lazy twat :D
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90% of my kills on Strategus are ranged guys. Pew-pewing tincans if not fun at all :(
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I'd also like to add that I know Hirlok is a good guy for having previous civil interactions with him a long time ago. But that doesn't give him a free pass on being a total dick showing a complete lack of understanding like right now.
It is all kind of role playing anyways ;-)
Still: not entirely true. My suggestions (earnest ones) are in this post:
http://forum.melee.org/game-balance-discussion/how-to-nerf-archery-without-destroying-it/msg913761/#msg913761
I am just sick of one class taking the heat for all ranged sins, and that the general answer to a problem (yes, there is one, I know) is a general nerf of archers - hitting the REAL archers (who never were a problem) worst and not the class-hopping my old friends that move on to the next op thing.
Find creative solutions like limiting ranged classes on servers etc. instead of nerfing an already over-nerfed class (real archery with 2slot bows and more than 6pd are hardly viable and have been so for months...).
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I have a lot fun doing "archer duels" with an enemy across the map. Its kind of like rock paper scissors. Move left, stay still, or move right. Fire at enemy left/mid/right.
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I only make ranged characters to kill other ranged people.
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Sounds like the mod will die for about 1 week.
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Sounds like the mod will die for about 1 week.
hehe, you overestimate my influence and underestimate the need to pew at other ranged... ;-) I even doubt I will keep my own self-declared truce, esp. on xbows and throwers... ;-)
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Can all the NA shits for the love of god stop deriding the current ranged discussion as mere qq when EU_1 barely even surpasses 40 players anymore?
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90% of my kills on Strategus are ranged guys.
Jeade has noticed this, you dirty crossbow scum.
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I am just sick of one class taking the heat for all ranged sins, and that the general answer to a problem (yes, there is one, I know) is a general nerf of archers - hitting the REAL archers (who never were a problem) worst and not the class-hopping my old friends that move on to the next op thing.
I am reading this forum for about 2 years now. I have seen countless rage threads about ranged, no matter what actual pontential ranged had at the given moment.
I can assure you, no matter how you try to reason with certain people, whether you are doing it nicely or in an objective manner, some people will simply not accept that there is no nerf needed as an answer. It does not matter what arguments you come up with, they will turn them around just to fit their cause of nerfing ranged or just create some pseudo arguments if real ones are lacking.
Over the years the same 10-15 people you see constantly lobbying for nerfing ranged over and over and over again simply degenerated into some mindless retards who probably no longer realize that lobbying to get a class nerfed in a video game is not the most important thing in life. Dont waste any effort to reason with those people as I did.
No matter how many nerfs there will be, some people will continue to lobby for more nerfs, insult you and grief you just because you bring so much horrible suffering upon their lives by playing ranged, while still thinking they are doing it for a "good cause" or whatever happens in their brains. Sad but true.
Maybe personalities like those are the reason players leave the game, contrary to the highly empiric diagnosis "it's ranged". :wink:
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I am reading this forum for about 2 years now. I have seen countless rage threads about ranged, no matter what actual pontential ranged had at the given moment.
I can assure you, no matter how you try to reason with certain people, whether you are doing it nicely or in an objective manner, some people will simply not accept that there is no nerf needed as an answer. It does not matter what arguments you come up with, they will turn them around just to fit their cause of nerfing ranged or just create some pseudo arguments if real ones are lacking.
Over the years the same 10-15 people you see constantly lobbying for nerfing ranged over and over and over again simply degenerated into some mindless retards who probably no longer realize that lobbying to get a class nerfed in a video game is not the most important thing in life. Dont waste any effort to reason with those people as I did.
No matter how many nerfs there will be, some people will continue to lobby for more nerfs, insult you and grief you just because you bring so much horrible suffering upon their lives by playing ranged, while still thinking they are doing it for a "good cause" or whatever happens in their brains. Sad but true.
Maybe personalities like those are the reason players leave the game, contrary to the highly empiric diagnosis "it's ranged". :wink:
Shut your wh.... oh wait :oops:
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Maybe personalities like those are the reason players leave the game, contrary to the highly empiric diagnosis "it's ranged". :wink:
Regular players stop playing the game when they get no fun out it. It's that simple.
Forums are just an extension of the game. People would still play this game without forums, but forums would probably die without the game. Which tells us what? That you're the only one who give a damn about whole "personality" stuff.
Why addicts stop playing is completely different matter. It's certainly not because they are bored or had enough of the game. Has something to do with the state of their life after spending countless of hours in game. That's why rage quits, deletion of characters, drama and stuff like that. Been through it, I know how it goes.
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Forums are just an extension of the game. People would still play this game without forums, but forums would probably die without the game. Which tells us what? That you're the only one who give a damn about whole "personality" stuff.
Who sais anything about forum only ? There are quite some retards who are bringing this nerdrage shit ingame. For example those people who think it is "cool" to grief ranged players, lie about it and then complain when they get banned by the evil ranged players.
Just to give you a fitting example:
Panos always hated my agi build because he thinks I choose it to annoy melee players. But the only reason why I play AGI is to catch archers and annihilate them, nothing more really. Melee players just get in the way, me going for archers to kill them basterds :twisted:
from now on, everytime I see you on the battlefield, and we are enemies, I will step aside.
I used to do that a lot back in the days. whenever I see enemy fighter going for friendly archers :lol: Reason why I stopped doing that is because I fear someone might interpret that as being passive in combat and ban me for it...
That's one of two things me and kinngrimm have in common. One is love for ze grind and second is hatred for ranged. We both built our chars to effectively dispose of archer scum.
What does that tell us Leshma ? Basicly, it tells us that over time, some people became so mortally offended by ranged that they are in no way qualified to adress this topic in an objective manner, yet they do it all day every day and wonder why so many people dont take them seriously anymore.
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I think Leshma did have a key point in that perhaps a lot of players are being put off of the mod/game because of the state of ranged weapons (if you consider those who have come to the game for the melee mechanics).
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The reason I went back to xbow, is that I can actually be effective vs any kind of ranged. Was getting tired of having to trust in my ranged team mates to deal with the opposing team ranged menace, yet they kept failing.
Want a job done right, do it yourself. :rolleyes:
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@XyNox
To be honest, I dislike archers. I've based my whole style around archer elimination. That is because I strongly believe that everyone who comes here to shoot is doing it wrong. That is my choice and my way.
But it has nothing to do with some dude's personality. It's strictly game related. If you play an archer, don't expect me to be very fond of you as a player. But that doesn't mean I dislike you as a person. Still, every time you're on enemy team you can expect me to hunt you.
You're probably the only one I still dislike personally. And it has nothing to do with you being an archer. It has something to do with you being a twat. First, you've decided to ban me for bullshit reasons (and skip telling the truth in the process) just because you're butthurt over the fact I created so many archery nerfs threads which gravely insulted your "personality". Another reason is that you pulled off the same bullshit card kinngrimm did, asking for full restoration of your char.
And because of that, if devs decide to nerf archery, I'll celebrate in my own way that just to piss you off.
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Just remove arrow stun so chasing em is much easier and i'll be happier. love me.
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My name is JohanE and i approve of this message. :twisted:
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Nerf Ranged.... some ranged quits playing the game.... Don't nerf ranged.... Some melee quits. The rest of us continue on and adapt to the changing circumstances. It's not that hard to grab a practice shield and be more aware of your surroundings. But some people don't play the battle server because of tactics. Some play it simply as an expanded duel server. A lot of the people whining about ranged probably have builds which are highly susceptible to ranged. I suggest a little less speed and a little more IF. It goes a long way.
It never ceases to amaze me how some guys have builds which are purely for the duel server. They kick ass in Na3 because they are super fast and wear almost no armor. But then they go into battle and RARELY exhibit that wonderful melee skill because it's a different animal. They die early and often lol.
BTW.... I went from 1 Infamy.... to 14... in the last few days just because I'm defending ranged lol.
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My name is JohanE and i approve of this message. :twisted:
I didn't forget I owe you a duel, I had to go because my son woke up!
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If this is NA, as a EU Melee, I support this :mrgreen:
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I never GTX because of archers.
I GTXt because of all the fellow meleemen running everyone in different directions to become easy archer pray.
Enemy archers sometimes force a team to wait in save spots and group together. But all the heroes are to stupid or killfocussed to do so.
Also 2 Shieldskill and a light shield will allow you to savely reach the meleearea. But a heroes mindset is only focussed on minmaxing meleeabilities and then whine about ranged because they are not prepared.
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dtv seem more popular than eu1 nowdays
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dtv seem more popular than eu1 nowdays
cuz gold/xp farming...
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cuz gold/xp farming...
DTV being the worst gamemode for both, that seems unlikely
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cuz gold/xp farming...
Which didnt exist before the respec? I personally dont mind ranged, i play with an arbalester alt myself but the server population is dropping alot.
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Which didnt exist before the respec? I personally dont mind ranged, i play with an arbalester alt myself but the server population is dropping alot.
dtv has been changed a bit, it seems, currently paying better, esp. compared to the bugged upkeep/break rates on siege. so dtv nonsense is quite popular atm, even on na
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DTV being the worst gamemode for both, that seems unlikely
Seems to me you haven't played DTV in awhile. It is by far the best gamemode for gaining gold and second best for XP, just after XP strat battles or huge competitive strat battles/sieges.
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Cool i had no idea it had changed that much
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On DTV you just don't encounter "that one guy" ruining the game for you. It's so relaxed playing there without being shot and backstabbed all the time :lol:
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Well yeah, it has been a long time since I last played DTV
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How about no.
Ranged take less arrows to kill.
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NA have shit archers anyway, why would you even spend arrows shooting an NA archer.
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How about no.
Ranged take less arrows to kill.
cuz archery op. I know. :)
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Well bagge is op, nerf bagge and archers r fine! Btw is that u in ur pic Hirlok?
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Well bagge is op, nerf bagge and archers r fine! Btw is that u in ur pic Hirlok?
bagge annoying, even I noticed during my EU visits. And yes, that's me, couple years ago. Less fat face now, and less pipe smoking, since no decent tobacco in Paraguay and usually too warm ;-)
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How sad :/
Hehe well ill smoke a pinch in ur honor next time then :D
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bagge annoying, even I noticed during my EU visits. And yes, that's me, couple years ago. Less fat face now, and less pipe smoking, since no decent tobacco in Paraguay and usually too warm ;-)
A couple thousand kilometers and you can blaze it but not legalize it
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: The archers who say "ooooh stoooopit infanty no protect archer archer die and archer no shoot other archers" are always the exact same people who if asked in a conversation that isn't about nerfing ranged will always say "Yeah I'm so cool, I target 2h heroes first 2h gay, fuck 2h heroes, I only shoot 2h heroes and polemy old friends and 1h instastabbers."
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Ranged are a bane for the players who want to mindless W-key until they run into enemies and start swinging and fighting.
Those of us who prefer to use tactics, teamwork, and adapt to the surroundings and conditions, will never be bothered by ranged (well we get bothered, but we don't rage and suggest they be nerfed).
I like crpg and Warband not just for it's amazing melee fighting, but also for the fact that it's got all the Medieval weaponry and equipment you'd expect to see on a middle age battle field. I've always disliked ranged classes, but who the fuck wouldn't have archers when they go into battle? A marshal who wants to lose, that's who.
I'm sure infantry complained about archers in real life too, but you know what? They didn't get to ask developers to nerf them, they had to come up with tactics to counter them. You can do that in game too. This game would be far less fun if we started removing or completely gimping certain classes because we just want a free for all type of game play.
Maybe instead of rambo W-keying to the enemy, you try and protect an archer from cavalry or infantry?
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Ranged are a bane for the players who want to mindless W-key until they run into enemies and start swinging and fighting.
Those of us who prefer to use tactics, teamwork, and adapt to the surroundings and conditions, will never be bothered by ranged (well we get bothered, but we don't rage and suggest they be nerfed).
I like crpg and Warband not just for it's amazing melee fighting, but also for the fact that it's got all the Medieval weaponry and equipment you'd expect to see on a middle age battle field. I've always disliked ranged classes, but who the fuck wouldn't have archers when they go into battle? A marshal who wants to lose, that's who.
I'm sure infantry complained about archers in real life too, but you know what? They didn't get to ask developers to nerf them, they had to come up with tactics to counter them. You can do that in game too. This game would be far less fun if we started removing or completely gimping certain classes because we just want a free for all type of game play.
Maybe instead of rambo W-keying to the enemy, you try and protect an archer from cavalry or infantry?
Thats an awful amount of condescending assumptions to make to support your position
People do play with tactics, people dedicate points into shields, but it seems to be a one way deal atm. Ranged camp somewhere and pewpew, infantry have to camp to protect them, camp behind walls until the enemy infantry engage, wait for flags etc.
The game becomes dull and lifeless with too much pewpew on both sides. When the action gets stale people go ranged themselves too so they are at least doing something. The more ranged, the more people go ranged themselves and the more melee stop playing the game.
Some ranged is fine, but not the amount we have now. You don't even need a real ranged build. We have xbowers in heavy armour with very good melee weapons. 1 handers without shield don't even seem to get weapon stunned anymore. Why be melee when you can have both?
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Some ranged is fine, but not the amount we have now. You don't even need a real ranged build. We have xbowers in heavy armour with very good melee weapons. 1 handers without shield don't even seem to get weapon stunned anymore. Why be melee when you can have both?
What's wrong with the ammount of ranged now?
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What's wrong with the ammount of ranged now?
There is no way to decrease it via ingame choices. The best thing I can do to counter other ranged is to go ranged myself, in which case I am not solving anything. Additionally, if it comes to that I'd rather play some other game.
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What's wrong with the ammount of ranged now?
nothing. there was a temporary surge of 1slot bow "archers" and wannabeeee hybrids, but that is already over again. Guess the class-hoppers discovered archery is hard, cuz no points and few kills and much hate...
Right now you have 20-30% ranged (alltogether, not just archers) on EU1, plus some melee with ranged sidearms (their fault), so nothing wrong.
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The only time I truly hate ranged is when I'm charging in my heavy armour and massive axe with full health, and they pull out their 0 slot weapon and totally out melee me, especially near the end of the round and there's a good chance half the players are watching me die to a guy in peasant gear.
So archers, to make me happy, keep shooting, just don't run away when and don't fight back. Thanks in advance.
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To be honest, early December always see server population dwindle a bit and then resurge at the end of the month. People are busy and worn out. The amount of ranged, especially xbows and HA's/HX's have been way over the top since free respec but I've been playing a lot EU 1 the last week despite and I've managed to have some decent cav/infantry/ranged battles lately, too. It's been annoying yes, but the world doesn't end 1st of January this time around, either.
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Last times i mostly play witch my chatchArabbit ih no shield agi whore. I enter with Steevee when Archers become more annoying for my templar teammates (especially Bobby) are asking me to come and shoot down other ranged. Ppl using low tier bows need about 4 arrows to kill me (body shots) with my new armor set (51 body armor).
About shooting only melee enemies - NO, for me shooting enemies ranged is more fun.
On strat battles I'm shooting enemies renged every single time i can (i think Segd can confirm that, he is one of ppl who is hargest to hunt down :mrgreen:)