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Title: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Clockworkkiller on December 10, 2013, 05:42:42 pm
how does this sound for a budget pc?


CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor - $89.99
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V Micro ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard - $69.98
Memory: A-Data XPG Gaming Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory - $48.99
Hard Drive: OCZ Agility 4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  - $63.75
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card - $56.97
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK-450W ATX Mid Tower Case w/450W Power Supply - $42.50
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer - $16.99
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 05:56:43 pm
Processor sounds meh. Also, needs a HDD in addition to that SSD.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Nehvar on December 10, 2013, 06:23:07 pm
It's definitely budget...what are you planning to do with it?  Can't really help you if we don't know what you're intending to use it for.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Kafein on December 10, 2013, 06:37:20 pm
Remove 4Gb RAM and the SSD, use the saved money to get a better CPU.

Also if all components are compatible (your mobo is), get a Micro-ATX case. You can also aim lower than 450W on your PSU as long as it remains branded.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 06:41:07 pm
4gb memory is kind of low. It would be a better in the long-term, if he just shelled out a bit more for a better CPU and took a one or two TB HDD in addition to that SSD, imo.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Kafein on December 10, 2013, 06:48:35 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 06:41:07 pm
4gb memory is kind of low. It would be a better in the long-term, if he just shelled out a bit more for a better CPU and took a one or two TB HDD in addition to that SSD, imo.

Well, a dual core 3GHz CPU is more dramatically low-end than just 4Gb RAM in my opinion. Unless you regularly download and keep large stuff, a 512Gb HD is comfortable enough. Of course that depends on your internet connection, as people tend to hoard more when they have slow or unreliable connections.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 06:52:15 pm
Having a 1TB or above HDD (with 1TB platters) also means high read/write speed (on par with SSDs), which is nice.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Clockworkkiller on December 10, 2013, 07:13:28 pm
Quote from: Nehvar on December 10, 2013, 06:23:07 pm
It's definitely budget...what are you planning to do with it?  Can't really help you if we don't know what you're intending to use it for.

im in need of a new pc, and Im tight on money

im not looking for a uber ultra graphics machine
I just need something that can run cRPG and most of my games at a decent frame rate

my budget is gonna be around $400
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Bittersteel on December 10, 2013, 07:16:14 pm
400 dollars?
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: zagibu on December 10, 2013, 08:04:40 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 06:52:15 pm
Having a 1TB or above HDD (with 1TB platters) also means high read/write speed (on par with SSDs), which is nice.

Are you kidding? Please don't spread disinformation. The fastest HDD is multiple factors slower than an average SSD.

He is right, though, that 64GB is very very tight, especially if you plan to fit a modern Microsoft OS on there. I'd take an external drive with plenty of storage for data.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Kafein on December 10, 2013, 08:22:02 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 06:52:15 pm
Having a 1TB or above HDD (with 1TB platters) also means high read/write speed (on par with SSDs), which is nice.

Unless you buy a hybrid SSD drive (which are nice), that's just not true.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Rumblood on December 10, 2013, 09:10:40 pm
Quote from: Clockworkkiller on December 10, 2013, 07:13:28 pm
im in need of a new pc, and Im tight on money

im not looking for a uber ultra graphics machine
I just need something that can run cRPG and most of my games at a decent frame rate

my budget is gonna be around $400

List the games you will be playing. As you can see from the comments above, your solution is not a good one. List the must-run software and also list all devices that you currently own and won't need to purchase. A budget that low is going to take advantage of some unusual devices/rigs/configurations to give you a something that will perform as good as you are going to get on that budget and some of the solutions will depend upon what interface comes with that parts this Frankenstein will use to get the most performance it can get.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 09:24:46 pm
A decent HDD with a 1tb platter clocks over 150MB/s average R/W speed, with it being well above 200MB/s on outer rim. Average/non-uber-cool (and expensive) SSDs manage the same average R/W speed.
SSDs have ultra low access time for random read, though.

I recently bought a decent'ish 2TB HDD and it has the same average speed for sequential R/W as my somewhat older 120GB SSD on the various benchmarks i tried.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Kafein on December 10, 2013, 09:42:34 pm
First things first, I doubt you need a new case.

Quote from: [ptx] on December 10, 2013, 09:24:46 pm
A decent HDD with a 1tb platter clocks over 150MB/s average R/W speed, with it being well above 200MB/s on outer rim. Average/non-uber-cool (and expensive) SSDs manage the same average R/W speed.
SSDs have ultra low access time for random read, though.

I recently bought a decent'ish 2TB HDD and it has the same average speed for sequential R/W as my somewhat older 120GB SSD on the various benchmarks i tried.

Yeah, and sequential read/write speeds are of little relevance unless you want to launch a useful program in which the time taken to open a ridiculously large file is dependant on HDD throughput, which as far as I know is never the case. I've checked various HDD made for NAS systems (4Gb monsters), they usually show figures around 150Mb/s for sequential operations. Also note that such speeds largely depend on firmware quality and cache capacity if you consider more typical usage.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Clockworkkiller on December 10, 2013, 10:35:54 pm
games itll need to play

Warband
blacklight retribution
FORGE
Fallen earth
Stalker
Source games

that's all I play regularly, nothing fancy or too demanding


stuff I already have:

keyboard
monitor
mouse
OS (windows xp)


my current case is an dell inspiron 530


as you can see, im pretty stupid and clueless when it comes to this stuff
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on December 10, 2013, 11:31:19 pm
The biggest issue is that CPU. Put some more money towards a better one. It's going to be a performance bottleneck with everything else you've got in there.

How big is your current hard drive? How old? If it's not on its last leg, you can probably just plop that in your new computer for storage. 64GB isn't going to be enough space alone, even if you're just playing CRPG/source engine games.

If you're trying to keep the budget down, you can get 4GB RAM instead of 8. You can buy more later if that is not enough for you.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: LEKIS on December 10, 2013, 11:39:34 pm
Dont bother with that budget man. Please save your money and buy a better one in a while.
otherwise you will not get pleased.

Regards, Lekis
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Ikarus on December 12, 2013, 11:59:50 pm
Stalker? Hope you already tried Call of Prypjat with COMPLETE mod, it´s friggin beautiful
some screens when I played half a year ago
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 15, 2013, 11:11:21 pm
Quote from: A_Hot_Elf_Princess on December 10, 2013, 11:31:19 pm
The biggest issue is that CPU. Put some more money towards a better one. It's going to be a performance bottleneck with everything else you've got in there.

How big is your current hard drive? How old? If it's not on its last leg, you can probably just plop that in your new computer for storage. 64GB isn't going to be enough space alone, even if you're just playing CRPG/source engine games.

If you're trying to keep the budget down, you can get 4GB RAM instead of 8. You can buy more later if that is not enough for you.

^ This... and ditch the solid state harddrive for now if you are trying to save money. It's not really something that is required. If you want a solid state harddrive later on when you have money it is a simple installation, same thing with the extra ram.

Definitely fork out a little more or find a better processor.


This is actually cheaper than the motherboard+cpu+graphics card you listed, and I'm pretty sure its better in all 3 areas.
Might want to research it a little bit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1466003

For 176$
AMD A8-5600K Trinity 3.6GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7560D AD560KWOHJBOX
+
GIGABYTE GA-F2A88X-UP4 FM2+ / FM2 AMD A88X (Bolton D4) SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

So you get a processor+gpu(well in this case the processor and gpu are built into one)
as well as a good motherboard all for 176$. Which should leave you plenty of money for 8 gb ram, a terabyte hard drive and a good case+ power source. You can always buy another Graphics card later and use it instead of the built in one in this APU too, incase the GPU in the processor doesn't cut it for graphics intensive programs.

I've never had a cpu/gpu combo built into one, but it has fairly good reviews on new egg... might want to research it a bit more though just to be safe. Another plus about buying a combo deal like this from newegg is you know the stuff is going to be compatible, which makes building the PC that much easier.
Title: Re: Techheads! grant my your wisdom!
Post by: LordBerenger on December 15, 2013, 11:38:18 pm
Dat moment when you imagine if you yourself could speak nerdspeak