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Title: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 03:43:11 am
Yersterday, I was playing DTV. And do very good, almost every round we took maximum XP and gold. After that some people left and there wasn't any teamwork. I tried to command but nobody listenned, so I said that wont help in shieldwall, because there wasn't any shieldwall and took my poorest gear and appear with a dagger. But I at the end I killed more bots then a half team. Then I got a call and went out to speak. Didn't suspect that I need to go to spectators, just lived as it was. After 15 min. I came back and saw that I got banned from eu servers. Asked admins to unban me, because I had a battle for the Wolves, and because of that got 3 days of ban more)

Fips, I didn't say that you a liar, that was your thoughts. I said that it was your carelessness. And is AFK for 15 minutes is leeching? If l appear with dagger and it is leeching, than ban all daggermen from eu1 (joke), didn't think to offend daggermen)
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Gmnotutoo on November 25, 2013, 03:44:06 am
shamefur dispray
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 03:57:13 am
What, didn't understand, my englesh is lame sorry)
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: zagibu on November 25, 2013, 04:11:55 am
I trade you a justice for a dignity. You can't have both in this matter, sorry.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Bulzur on November 25, 2013, 04:15:06 am
And is AFK for 15 minutes is leeching?

Yes it is. Did you think it wasn't ? Seriously ?

If l appear with dagger and it is leeching, than ban all daggermen from eu1 (joke), didn't think to offend daggermen)

Appearing with a dagger is not leeching, going afk with a dagger is.
All daggermen from eu1 are actively playing.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Kitten_Mittonz on November 25, 2013, 05:05:10 am
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Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Johammeth on November 25, 2013, 05:50:38 am
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Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 06:14:56 am
New bannable time management:
1) Afk for 1 min - 5 hours ban
2) Afk for 5 min - 1 day ban
3) Afk for 15 min - 3 day ban
4) Afk for 30 min - 6 day ban
and so on...
And no matter if it is your first time. Justice forever
Need to make auto ban machine if you are staying for 5 min without movement instant ban for 1 day.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 06:18:44 am
Yes it is. Did you think it wasn't ? Seriously ?
Ok then explain me what is the leeching? And is there any difference between afk and leeching?
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Tindel on November 25, 2013, 06:29:14 am
Leeching is when you get experience and gold without playing the game. Just standing there, being a burden to the team.

Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 06:34:16 am
I think I wasn't a burden. I was more usefull then a half team, and then not kicked from the server, but banned in case it was first time I went out.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Vovka on November 25, 2013, 01:47:53 pm
rage ban obviously, you shits on his territory  :?
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: sF_Guardian on November 25, 2013, 01:52:03 pm
Well, afking is a bannable offence, no need to be upset.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Osiris on November 25, 2013, 01:54:24 pm
you did call the admin dishonest which sort of means liar. I guess the admin took offence and extended your ban.
As for the rule

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No leeching
OK: Being a bad player and getting no kills
NOT OK: Standing around away from keyboard. If you're away, switch to spectator mode

http://forum.melee.org/announcements/official-server-rules/


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Breaking a rule may net you a warning, mute, kick or ban at admin discretion depending on severity of rule broken and player history (yes, repeated offenders are treated more harshly). In minor offences you usually get a written warning first, in more severe cases you might get kicked or even banned immediately.


I guess the admin felt 15 mins was a more severe case. im surprised you wasn't vote banned first :P
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Torben on November 25, 2013, 01:56:28 pm
i dont get why people dont just get kicked.  its a game afterall,  and missing a strat battle for whatever little reason is meh.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Osiris on November 25, 2013, 01:58:48 pm
yeah it really depends on what mood the admin is in  :|
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 02:03:30 pm
I'm not upset with a ban. I am upset  that I couldn't help Wolves in the battle. And why 3 days? Why ones take a ban for a while others for a long time. Is there any rules? Or just, hey man i dont like you then get a ban for 10 days, hey man I like you but you did wrong take a 1 hour ban. They can unban me for the battle, and ban till the next one.)
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Vovka on November 25, 2013, 02:05:12 pm
I'm not upset with a ban. I am upset  that I couldn't help Wolves in the battle. And why 3 days? Why ones take a ban for a while others for a long time. Is there any rules? Or just, hey man i dont like you then get a ban for 10 days, hey man I like you but you did wrong take a 1 hour ban. They can unban me for the battle, and ban till the next one.)

yeah it really depends on what mood the admin is in  :|
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Erzengel on November 25, 2013, 02:07:18 pm
Yeh, banning your for leeching 15 minutes was clearly unfair. Why don't we just remove all rules?

/afk farming xp on EU_7
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 02:17:15 pm
I don't say it is unfair. I say I can't get to the battle because of it. That's all. And I was upset ofcourse, because I was already written to the battle. Maybe I write too emotional, sorry for that. Now this is like a joke for me. Hope I would know the rules better. Ussually when I died and dont push the button accept I dont appear on the map, just because of that I left the computer and got the instant ban Yohoo.)
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Akynos on November 25, 2013, 02:21:35 pm
I think AFK for 15 mins requires a kick, but a ban is excessive imo, unless there is more to that story than he says ?

PS: To all the 'speak english' assheads: Not everyone had the luck to be born with the language, some had to work for it. And if it isnt your mother tongue as well, at least respect those who, just like you, try to speak it.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on November 25, 2013, 02:34:39 pm
you did call the admin dishonest which sort of means liar. I guess the admin took offence and extended your ban.
Let's be fair here, Nicko isn't exactly from England, Australia, or America. I get that leeching is a problem on dtv (isn't there a mechanism that autokicks you if you are in equipment menu (and another one that opens the equipment window at the end of a round) though?), but if Nicko hasn't been banned for leeching previously (which I got no idea if he has), a ban might be a tad harsh.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: BlindGuy on November 25, 2013, 03:02:16 pm
Yeh, banning your for leeching 15 minutes was clearly unfair. Why don't we just remove all rules?

/afk farming xp on EU_7

what YOU SHOULD DO is replace the old afk kick that DTV had, so you would be autokicked if AFK. wasnt perfect but it did remove afk players
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 03:35:38 pm
Came from the work, and still banned. But this ban opens the world for me. Now I can read a book  8-) More bans to get smarter. But my feelings hurt a little. I was banned 5 month ago for the first time of all c-rpg time playing. I was playing c-rpg from the beginning. But there I was really leeching because of the small level and was agree with that. But here I played DTV about 4 hours in a row helping team to win the rounds, always chatting and giving commands, then answered my phone talked for 15 min. and surprise  :P
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: BlindGuy on November 25, 2013, 03:40:52 pm
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Here we see Justice. Its not by accident that she wears a blindfold.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: BlueKnight on November 25, 2013, 04:32:01 pm
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Here we see Justice. Its not by accident that she wears a blindfold.
She also carries a sword, to punish all the leechers. Public knowldege...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: BlindGuy on November 25, 2013, 04:44:49 pm
But was she blindfolded by others, or did she use it herself to not see all that is done in her name?
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: BlueKnight on November 25, 2013, 05:29:50 pm
But was she blindfolded by others, or did she use it herself to not see all that is done in her name?
Don't you see it's a bandage? Women only know how to use knives in the kitchen, not how to operate swords. Must have been a terrible accident.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 05:55:14 pm
Now I was accepted for another one battle on eu 3. And what I will miss it again?
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: BlindGuy on November 25, 2013, 05:57:10 pm
Mate, I feel for you, but signing up for battles when your banned is stupid. Just stfu and sit it out or bring something relevant to the discussion, saying that you signed up for more battles is unrelated to your ban.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 05:59:29 pm
 :cry: but I hope
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Bulzur on November 25, 2013, 06:15:34 pm
So we have here someone who can always get accepted to strat battles, but still feel the need to be leeching, aka : going afk for 15 all minutes.

And then complains that he can't get on his strat battle. Then, while banned, still apply for another strat battle, get accepted, and thus, solicite admin's clemence to be able to participate in strat battle.


What i'll remember from this all story, is that you don't feel sorry the slightest, for actually leeching and making it harder for your own team. You're just thinking about your own little misfortune.



Being banned for 3days may be harsh indeed.
But the story is : you being banned for a day or less for 15min of leeching. Then asking (we don't know how, or when, or how many times) an admin for unban, and then he banned you for 3days total.
Something unclear seems there, in the "asking for unban". Clearly.

You don't seem to understand that being banned is SUPPOSED to be a punishment, too bad for strat battle, and actually went to bother an admin to get unbanned, and thus get banned for 3days total, well... bad luck.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 06:22:26 pm
What i'll remember from this all story, is that you don't feel sorry the slightest, for actually leeching and making it harder for your own team. You're just thinking about your own little misfortune.
I'd feel sorry if there was a team, but everyone just had a fun there without any tactic. And I also qq when there are a lot of suicide and leeching. But if I really made it harder for the team, then sorry, because I didn't see what happened
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Bulzur on November 25, 2013, 06:37:30 pm
I feel for you, but, leeching is not okay, in any circumstances. Even if your team wins without you, even if your team would have still lost with you, going afk is a bannable offense. The end.

It's a shame you get banned for 3days, while deliberate leechers, and very annoying rude trolls get a 1h ban, but at least, you'll be all the more happy when you'll rejoin the servers again.
Take it as a nice break, and come back as a better being.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 06:40:06 pm
Thanks Bulzur for understanding)
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Elmuri on November 25, 2013, 07:11:07 pm
If you're banned, just cancel your applications to strat battles.

I don't know this but might be that Fips checked that you had already had one ban earlier for leeching -> he banned you instead of kicking. You also admitted that you leeched for 15 min, which is quite a long time in my opinion.

A quote from your unban thread:
Ok not needed any more, battle is almost ended. See I was waiting for you admins 1 hour. Thank you for your speed. Clan Wolves also thanks you.

Not talking about if 3 days was too much or too little, but no wonder Fips got annoyed by your attitude. No reply in 1 hour and you QQ? We're not getting paid for this and some of us might have something else to do also than check the ban/unban requests all the time.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 25, 2013, 07:28:49 pm
I thought that I can be on the battle and would get unbanned. Didnt know that ban is for all eu servers. Because of that didnt cancel my aplication. Really sorry for annoying. What can I do against admins, will sit and wait, sorry me. But because of this situation I just want to quit this game. Tomorrow my clan has a battle against Coalition (XP battle) and I will miss it too(
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 26, 2013, 11:13:28 am
Admins, will I be unbanned for todays my clans battles?
How I see the situation:
How it should be
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: PhayaNak on November 26, 2013, 05:17:11 pm
I thought that I can be on the battle and would get unbanned. Didnt know that ban is for all eu servers. Because of that didnt cancel my aplication. Really sorry for annoying. What can I do against admins, will sit and wait, sorry me. But because of this situation I just want to quit this game. Tomorrow my clan has a battle against Coalition (XP battle) and I will miss it too(

Admins, will I be unbanned for todays my clans battles?
How I see the situation:
How it should be

.....................You're not helping yourself dude. "Really sorry for annoying"? And then you post again asking if you'll be unbanned? Come on man, use your brain, this is how you got a 1 day ban extended to a 3 day ban!
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 26, 2013, 05:21:09 pm
Yes, you are right. Just wanted to add some kind of a joke
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Fips on November 26, 2013, 05:28:14 pm
First of all: 15 minutes is a damn long time for someone to be not contributing to the team at all. This in itself makes the 1 day ban justified. You already had a ban for leeching, so you definitely should know what exactly that is and you are no new player as well. On top of that you were wearing peasant equipment with only a dagger.
And with the attitude you were trying to get an unban you are not getting one. This thread here didn't help as well, because the ban stays.

Pro-tip: Don't leech. End of story.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Penitent on November 26, 2013, 05:43:21 pm
Ban for a leech is way heavy-handed.  It's not like rampant team killing or something.

Leach - kick
leach again - ban 1 hour
leach again - ban 5 hours
leach again - ban 1 day
etc.


Leaching is like the harmless petty crime in crpg.  Lets be reasonable people.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on November 26, 2013, 05:45:13 pm
Ok, thanks for attention. I decided in myself to leave c-rpg if I won't unbanned. I appologized for my unbehavior in ban/unban section.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Scervo on November 26, 2013, 06:09:45 pm
Honestly guys, this is ridiculous. A 3 day ban for 15 minutes of afk TO ATTEND TO REAL LIFE? He had to take a call, it was only 15 minutes on fucking defend the virgin which if you take seriously then you should really reconsider your priorities. Plus, the fact he got his ban extended two days for calling an admin dishonest or something is not right at all because insulting people is not against the rules as far as I am aware? You cant just extend peoples bans because you have personal problems with them. I don't know about c-rpg, but in most well-run places, the authority tries to have some sort of consistency for all people as far as enforcement of punishment goes.

Also, shouldnt a kick be given out or AT LEAST a one hour ban before just doing an entire day? For all you know he could have been dealing with a major emergency and not had time to waste worrying about exiting the game. a kick would get him off the server until he was no longer afk, fixing the oh so serious problem, and then if he came back and did it again you could ban him.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Penitent on November 26, 2013, 06:13:30 pm
Honestly guys, this is ridiculous. A 3 day ban for 15 minutes of afk TO ATTEND TO REAL LIFE? He had to take a call, it was only 15 minutes on fucking defend the virgin which if you take seriously then you should really reconsider your priorities. Plus, the fact he got his ban extended two days for calling an admin dishonest or something is not right at all because insulting people is not against the rules as far as I am aware? You cant just extend peoples bans because you have personal problems with them. I don't know about c-rpg, but in most well-run places, the authority tries to have some sort of consistency for all people as far as enforcement of punishment goes.

Also, shouldnt a kick be given out or AT LEAST a one hour ban before just doing an entire day? For all you know he could have been dealing with a major emergency and not had time to waste worrying about exiting the game. a kick would get him off the server until he was no longer afk, fixing the oh so serious problem, and then if he came back and did it again you could ban him.

This.  The problem with authority positions is that people with authority complexes seem to gravitate towards them.  Chill out admins, it's just a game.  Punish wrong-doing with finesse.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Patoson on November 26, 2013, 06:59:35 pm
It's your own fault if you can't play a strat battle because you have been banned for breaking the rules yourself. It's true that a ban seems harsh, but, if you already had a history for leeching, you shouldn't be surprised. It's a pity you miss those battles, but here's what you can do: the next time you have to go AFK and you know it might take a while, just leave the server or go spectator. Otherwise, live with the consequences.

Another tip: the next time, rage all you want, but don't verbalize it in the forums. You could have had just a 1-day-ban, but your rage posts didn't help.

In my opinion, it's not that admins are "dictators", but there is little respect for the people who are taking the responsibility of keeping order in the servers, which is not an easy task.
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: karasu on November 26, 2013, 07:37:04 pm
Disregard ban length, we only expect one thing from players when faced with game rules:

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Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Bulzur on November 26, 2013, 08:17:36 pm
Honestly guys, this is ridiculous. A 3 day ban for 15 minutes of afk TO ATTEND TO REAL LIFE?

I'm going to take a shower, be back in 30min. Don't kick.


Plus, the fact he got his ban extended two days for calling an admin dishonest or something is not right at all because insulting people is not against the rules as far as I am aware?

I don't even know how to ironically answer to that, without being rude. Sorry.


Also, shouldnt a kick be given out or AT LEAST a one hour ban before just doing an entire day? For all you know he could have been dealing with a major emergency and not had time to waste worrying about exiting the game. a kick would get him off the server until he was no longer afk, fixing the oh so serious problem, and then if he came back and did it again you could ban him.

Alt+F4, or a simple right click, or actually quitting cRPG. I don't see how "ANSWERING THE PHONE", prevents you from quitting cRPG if you know it's gonna be a long call.
I like how you bring the "major emergency problem". Wich the OP didn't  even use. Why not use another extravagant excuse for the guy. Come on, invent others, go ahead.

This.  The problem with authority positions is that people with authority complexes seem to gravitate towards them.  Chill out admins, it's just a game.  Punish wrong-doing with finesse.

Chill out players, it's just a game. How can an originally 1d ban completely breaks your life ?  Do you have to pester admins to get it shorter ?



Disregard ban length, we only expect one thing from players when faced with game rules:
OBEY

Nothing more to add.

Except... maybe... bring back Nuffen. And stop treating current admins like people abusing their authority.
Though i was and still am supporting Nuffen...
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Joseph Porta on November 26, 2013, 08:29:53 pm
fight the system, remove ban feature 2014
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on November 28, 2013, 07:19:51 am
First of all: 15 minutes is a damn long time for someone to be not contributing to the team at all.
not really :D
Title: Re: I want a justice
Post by: DonNicko on December 01, 2013, 06:10:35 pm
Just some advices for the future. Admins must decide what exact punishments must be for exact wrong doings. It will prevent QQ from people like me. I took offence, because I was punished like KML guys for 3 day, which from I was killed like 6 times and many times thed. I appologized:

After playing 4 hours in DTV answered a call and didn't get to spectators. The duration of the phone talk was about 15 min. Please unban me.
Well, I understood that afk is the same as leeching, and it was my fault that I didn't go for spectators. Sorry that I annoyed admins, I appologize for this, I just got mad because couldn't play in strat battle. Just didn't read the rules. Now I read them and I know that was wrong. I promise not to do the same things. Today my clan has battles. I would be glad to be unbanned before they will start. Thank you.

Admins saw this, but I didnt get unbanned before the battles, Fips also saw my appologize, I think he forgave me for my annoying threads. But I just felt this unfair.
So my advice is to make exact punishments, so won't be rage bans and QQ from players.