cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: pepejul on November 08, 2013, 10:01:40 am
Title: name of dictators....
Post by: pepejul on November 08, 2013, 10:01:40 am
Just simple question :
Why Merc_stalin allowed and not Merc_Hit ler? :|
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 08, 2013, 10:04:52 am
Because Stalin had a better mustache?
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Post by: sF_Guardian on November 08, 2013, 10:14:47 am
Because some Russians still think what he did was legit.
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Post by: Erzengel on November 08, 2013, 10:49:34 am
I will ask him for a name change.
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Post by: Osiris on November 08, 2013, 11:40:28 am
because stalin won silly
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Post by: brunoII on November 08, 2013, 11:45:05 am
Because history is made by the winners..... and this is a tiny example then you can call your character Stalin but not H_itler
Personally it's not my problem .... for me it is an offense to see a character called Stalin or H_itler (which I write here with censorship _ otherwise does not appear written) but personally I think this is a game and neither is right externalize political ideas. Pepe also I have posted something similar (irreverently) to ask for an explanation of this
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Post by: polkafranzi on November 08, 2013, 12:06:03 pm
Pepe it's not clear from your post whether you are asking that both be allowed or both disallowed :lol: well how I read it anyway. But then it's you, so guessing the latter :wink:
lol in theory our character names should be anything we want because the era we are playing in is supposedly pre 1500's, before any of these dudes existed BUT this is the internet where people get offended about shit.
The Mongol horsemen of Temüjin under Genghis Khan were known to kill whole nations, total genocide. Also some dude I think called Tamerlane caused 17m deaths with his rule, about 5% of the worlds population at that time. We'd be offended by these more relevant names, and ask for name changes too? Or are they too far in history to care - yet people still suffered terribly.
It opens up a can of worms I guess.
Another thing, the name H it ler, was just a mangle of the original surname Hiedler (also Huetler, Huettler), which are still somewhat in use today. That's just interesting fact of the morning :mrgreen: not relevant to the discussion.
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Post by: Apsod on November 08, 2013, 02:16:17 pm
I don't see why people are being overly sensitive about people calling themself names such as H.itler or Stalin. I really couldn't give less of a fuck what people's names are online.
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Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 08, 2013, 02:25:39 pm
Why can't we have "offensive" and terrible names?
I say we let it all slide. Then we get hilarious shit like "Dirt my old friend The Bad" and "Dildo Gaggins". Bring the mighty club of lame arse censorship and we lose what's truly great about c-rpg... The goons.
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Post by: Torben on November 08, 2013, 02:43:01 pm
I wonder what dkg_wilhelm has to say to this, hm
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Post by: Olwen on November 08, 2013, 03:00:07 pm
You forgot one dictator name that should not be allowed as character name: chadz
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Post by: Xant on November 08, 2013, 03:06:50 pm
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Post by: RobertOfDrugsley on November 08, 2013, 03:16:59 pm
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Post by: Corsair831 on November 08, 2013, 03:34:34 pm
interesting question actually, would Merc_Napoleon be allowed? technically he committed mass atrocities against his own people as well (read napoleon's march on moscow)
i mean, what are we going to do, just start censoring the names of people who killed their own people? history's pretty replete in that field i fear lol ..
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Post by: Osiris on November 08, 2013, 03:35:54 pm
if we banned napoleon what would hardrada talk about all game :D
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on November 08, 2013, 03:37:40 pm
The only fair thing is allowing all names, fair doesn't mean all that much though.
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Post by: Xant on November 08, 2013, 03:59:12 pm
It's because cRPG has so many German admins, and Germans can't deal with certain WW2 subjects without getting very emotional.
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Post by: Fartface on November 08, 2013, 04:09:25 pm
interesting question actually, would Merc_Napoleon be allowed? technically he committed mass atrocities against his own people as well (read napoleon's march on moscow)
i mean, what are we going to do, just start censoring the names of people who killed their own people? history's pretty replete in that field i fear lol ..
I plan on doing so in the future, does that mean that because of my intentions my name isn't allowed aswel?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on November 08, 2013, 04:10:42 pm
It's because cRPG has so many German admins, and Germans can't deal with certain WW2 subjects without getting very emotional.
i think we had quite a long discussion about this before in off-topic, but it ended with you "euros have no feels".
oh ya and im supposed to do this, as it is my title
Whoop! Whoop! Offensive Police on scene, stop all offensive acts at once! This is your only warning! Whoop!
my police sirens, they go whoop.
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Post by: [ptx] on November 08, 2013, 04:21:54 pm
Not really.
Owners of the mod, as well as the servers are located in Germany/Austria, and thus are subject to their laws, whatever might be thought of those. So, whilst we can debate whether or not Stalin is a bad name (imho, whilst he was every bit the monster that Hitler was, if not more, censoring names is plain dumb), the other is simply a case of adhering to laws and thus not debatable.
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Post by: woody on November 08, 2013, 05:33:33 pm
Used to be a teacher and saw the effects of child abuse on children and I dont think its hilarious to trivialise it. The odds are some of the crpg community will have suffered abuse, it would be a massive statistical anomaly if not, and when someone complains the standard response of "so you were abused as a child then lol" sums up the people who choose such hilarious names. They obviously would be happy to be correct, succeeded in upsetting vulnerable person online oh the kudos.
By condoning references, such as names, to child abuse it will cause genuine pain/offence to some and makes mod less welcoming to many.
So basically Im anti a total no censorship rule which I think seems to be the majority view.
Having said that I laugh my head off at Frankie Boyle and Family Guy, not an entirely consistent viewpoint I know.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on November 08, 2013, 06:24:04 pm
Owners of the mod, as well as the servers are located in Germany/Austria, and thus are subject to their laws, whatever might be thought of those. So, whilst we can debate whether or not Stalin is a bad name (imho, whilst he was every bit the monster that Hitler was, if not more, censoring names is plain dumb), the other is simply a case of adhering to laws and thus not debatable.
right except, and of course im going to go out on a limb here, but i dont think there is any such law that states you cannot use the terms. Its only for censorship of children, and to stop political parties, or hate crimes from occurring. It's not some sort of offense where you get a ticket like this is Demolition man. You just cant use it in video games, or books, because it will "brainwash" children into little Hitlahs. Henceforth, what laws?
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Post by: Erzengel on November 08, 2013, 07:52:53 pm
Owners of the mod, as well as the servers are located in Germany/Austria, and thus are subject to their laws, whatever might be thought of those. So, whilst we can debate whether or not Stalin is a bad name (imho, whilst he was every bit the monster that Hitler was, if not more, censoring names is plain dumb), the other is simply a case of adhering to laws and thus not debatable.
This. From a legal point of view it is not possible to allow people to call themselves H.itler and so on. You can't name your character this way in 99% of all other online games by the way (at least if they have some form of moderation). Why should you be allowed to do it here?
It is only fair to also forbid names of other mass murderers of the 20th/21th century. H.itler and Stalin had and still have a huge influence on modern (european) politics, culture, the generation of our parents and especially our grandparents. Both of them killed millions of people and devastated all Europe. Lots of people (who are still alive) lost close relatives, were exiled and persued.
In Russia for example the last Gulag was only closed at the end of the 1980s! Currently we even experience a growing tendency of Neo-Stalinism there. Lots of political and social conflicts in Eastern Europe are still a result of Stalinism.
In Hungary the antisemitic Jobbik-Party with it's (New) Hungarian Guard (some kind of successor of the Arrow Cross Movement, which helped the N.azis to murder the hungarian jews) is part of the government. Some months ago one of their leaders claimed that jews are "a threat to the national security" and that they "should be registered in special lists". I guess you get the point...
So National Socialism and Stalinism are not just something that happened in the past and that we can forget now. They still affect (directly or indirectly) the life of lots of people.
This is a game and not a platform for questionable political ideologies.
I can understand that people are offended by such names (especially in Eastern Europe).
What is the point of calling your character H.itler anyways?
Is it cool? Nope. To provoke other players? Well, I guess you are 12 years old then. :rolleyes: If you call your character H.itler you are most likely just an extremly uneducated dump fuck. Not worth wasting your time to support such people.
You can nearly use each name you want. There is almost no censorhip in this game, so I don't see a real problem.
By the way: I had a very nice and friendly conversation with Merc_Stalin. He also came to the conclusion that Stalin could indeed be offensive for some people and simply changed it. Unlike some of our usual internet warriors he had no real problem with it.
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Post by: pepejul on November 08, 2013, 08:45:35 pm
True admin answer... just what I wanted....
Admins, I love you more and more each day !
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Post by: Abay on November 08, 2013, 09:07:31 pm
It is because we dont have that freedom yet. Dictator means someone who dictates. Then history is full of them. Maybe 150 years later, our grandchildren will think like ''Ahh, we couldnt use X and Y names even we couldnt speak a word of them''. Well, humanity will improve itself, I hope..
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Post by: Johammeth on November 08, 2013, 11:12:40 pm
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Post by: zagibu on November 09, 2013, 12:49:32 am
The only reason someone would choose the name Hitler is to offend. I really don't see what benefits there would be in lifting the ban of such names.
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Post by: phnxhdsn on November 09, 2013, 01:13:11 am