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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Kafein on October 29, 2013, 06:12:01 pm

Title: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2013, 06:12:01 pm
http://mashable.com/2013/10/25/google-floating-data/

tl;dr :

- Cold water means easy cooling
- International waters is the only place where you can be free
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 29, 2013, 07:58:02 pm
And with this, Google begins its plan for world domination

I'd like to welcome our new google overlords
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Christo on October 29, 2013, 07:59:32 pm
it's already begun.

Those plans are in motion for a while now.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 29, 2013, 08:00:03 pm
So basically they don't have to follow any laws after they've done that?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 29, 2013, 08:08:34 pm
So basically they don't have to follow any laws after they've done that?

WURLD DOMINATION, MAN

I KNEW IT, GRAB YOUR TIN FOIL GUISE
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Osiris on October 29, 2013, 08:30:20 pm
So basically they don't have to follow any laws after they've done that?
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until some "pirates" shouting merica!! capture it :D
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2013, 08:42:14 pm
Well I personally think it's great if that sort of stuff becomes a thing because it means more freedom. Of course in the long run if states start to get pissed off by everything being run in international waters they will react.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 29, 2013, 09:17:39 pm
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until some "pirates" shouting merica!! capture it :D
And if they cant capture it, they'll nuke it :D

Edit: Just thought of this...
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Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: LordBerenger on October 29, 2013, 09:52:05 pm
Hope u gais all got Google products and software by now. (Chrome browser, Google phunezzz, Chromebook, Android in ur phones, Google Glasses etc..)

Also i really want Google OS.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2013, 10:58:49 pm
Why would anyone ever want a chromebook
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: LordBerenger on October 29, 2013, 11:02:38 pm
Why would anyone ever want a chromebook

Why would anyone ever want Linux
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: cmp on October 29, 2013, 11:04:26 pm
More freedom!
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Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Torben on October 29, 2013, 11:05:32 pm
finally EU/NA can fight eachother with equal ping
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 30, 2013, 09:07:26 am
Why would anyone ever want Linux

Because as a big industry I want a product I can test and modify instead of blindly trusting, and as a user I want something gratis, lightweight and customizable.

More freedom!
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Implying that doesn't already happen already ? Also let's forget about the obvious advantages for file sharing.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: [ptx] on October 30, 2013, 09:10:56 am
Implying that doesn't already happen already ? Also let's forget about the obvious advantages for file sharing.
What advantages? It's just datacenters, the actual company is still located wherever it currently is and thus subject to laws, right?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 30, 2013, 09:18:22 am
What advantages? It's just datacenters, the actual company is still located wherever it currently is and thus subject to laws, right?

It doesn't exactly work like that for everything. In international waters, companies can sell you duty-free stuff for example, even though these companies are subject to their country's laws. International waters are ruled by a special international code of law that mainly tells you what to do when you encounter other ships.

A floating datacenter is also de facto more secure against action from whatever entity because it would mean going on-site.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Zaalback on October 30, 2013, 12:15:47 pm
Guys ! What if a huge tsunami happens and rock the data center upside down ? :O
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 30, 2013, 12:35:25 pm
Guys ? What if a huge tsunami happens and rock the data center upside down ? :O

Unless the datacenters are based in "shallow" water, a tsunami won't do anything. A tsunami isn't a superwave, it's a wall of water that grows by colliding with the soil. In the middle of the ocean, there's a huge column of water between you and the tsunami-induced movement.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Zaalback on October 30, 2013, 12:46:56 pm
Unless the datacenters are based in "shallow" water, a tsunami won't do anything. A tsunami isn't a superwave, it's a wall of water that grows by colliding with the soil. In the middle of the ocean, there's a huge column of water between you and the tsunami-induced movement.

Well yea unless they don't build those close to the coasts , they are safe from tsunamis . But what about the Somalian pirates huh ?! What about them ? (I bet they can navigate through any oceans to plunder an innocent data center)
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: cmp on October 30, 2013, 12:54:08 pm
A few miles offshore is not the middle of the ocean.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Xant on October 30, 2013, 01:02:55 pm
Depends on the ocean, mmmkay?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 30, 2013, 03:53:45 pm
A few miles offshore is not the middle of the ocean.

A few miles outside of the exclusive economic zone of the USA on the west coast is well into the ocean

Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 30, 2013, 04:22:48 pm
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Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: cmp on October 30, 2013, 04:51:09 pm
A few miles outside of the exclusive economic zone of the USA on the west coast is well into the ocean

Except it says 3 to 7 miles offshore which is "a bit" less than 200.
Also, it's a barge with a flat hull. Good luck putting that in the middle of the ocean.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 30, 2013, 06:56:14 pm
Except it says 3 to 7 miles offshore which is "a bit" less than 200.
Also, it's a barge with a flat hull. Good luck putting that in the middle of the ocean.

"offshore" is not an easy word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore) that challenges my understanding of english in this context, so I can't really comment on that.

Now, what would be wrong with a flat hull barge ? It would be anchored and stuff right ?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: cmp on October 30, 2013, 07:50:52 pm
Now, what would be wrong with a flat hull barge ? It would be anchored and stuff right ?

A sea anchor only slows you down, and you can't attach an undersea cable to something that is moving. Also with that shape it wouldn't fare well in a storm.
Anyway, it's not like they wanted to do it that way: their "floating datacenter" patent mentions 3 to 7 miles from the coast (not international waters)
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 30, 2013, 08:12:05 pm
Why does it have to float? Why not put it on the bottom of the sea instead so you could put under sea cable there. Water temperature should be constant unlike in the surface water.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Kafein on October 30, 2013, 08:43:17 pm
A sea anchor only slows you down, and you can't attach an undersea cable to something that is moving. Also with that shape it wouldn't fare well in a storm.
Anyway, it's not like they wanted to do it that way: their "floating datacenter" patent mentions 3 to 7 miles from the coast (not international waters)

Well in that case it wouldn't really acheive anything but reduced cooling costs, right ? Thanks, misleading articles :/

Why does it have to float? Why not put it on the bottom of the sea instead so you could put under sea cable there. Water temperature should be constant unlike in the surface water.

That would be orders of magnitude more difficult if even possible with our current technology.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 30, 2013, 10:05:49 pm
Id rather expect them to anchor it to the seabed, with some sort of frame that allows the water to flow through freely cooling it. Having it on the floor would probably also be easier with installing cables over the seafloor..

Does it evenhave to be a constant temperature? As long as it stays beneath a certain point it should be good, right?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 30, 2013, 10:09:55 pm
That would be orders of magnitude more difficult if even possible with our current technology.

Well it seems that the floating one is quite impossible too... Maybe they should copy oil companies and look how they build their plants to the sea. Those things don't float away even in hard weather conditions.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 30, 2013, 10:48:42 pm
What if one was lost.. major data loss?  What would the consequences be?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 31, 2013, 12:27:58 am
anything past 3 miles away from the coast of the nation is international waters. That's why after like half a day a cruise will usually be in International waters(unless it's in small seas like the Mediterranean).

Depending on the location, Oil rigs.
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Heavy storm surge will still make them move, since they aren't "Rigid" structures, and instead Flexible to a point. Those things are amazing structures. They'd probably survive far longer after the fall of humans than almost anything save Nuclear power plants, Hospitals/critical buildings, and some special structures.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: cmp on October 31, 2013, 03:10:00 am
anything past 3 miles away from the coast of the nation is international waters.

12 miles for the US (and most other countries).
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 31, 2013, 01:10:50 pm
Depending on the location, Oil rigs.
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Heavy storm surge will still make them move, since they aren't "Rigid" structures, and instead Flexible to a point. Those things are amazing structures. They'd probably survive far longer after the fall of humans than almost anything save Nuclear power plants, Hospitals/critical buildings, and some special structures.

Surely oil rig structure would be stable enough to have underwater cable connected to it. Not "rigid" structure but it doesn't wander away like floating datacenter would do with an anchor :D.
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Erasmas on October 31, 2013, 01:37:15 pm
cmp, are you sailing?
Title: Re: Google to build floating datacenters in international waters
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 05, 2013, 02:02:37 am

Couldn't resist...