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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => The Chamber of Tears => Topic started by: NoSBoH on October 22, 2013, 06:30:16 am
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Knockdown is out of control, every time I get hit with a weapon capable, I'm down. It's getting to the point where I'm considering retiring from this game. :( It isn't fun.
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Aren't you a dedicated greatsword user? This thread wins the Retard Cup.
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Yea I use a Heavy great sword. I dunno how much of an advantage I have. I used to do alot better. But the last few weeks I've played, If my opponent is using a weapon with knockdown, the first connection they make has me down, followed by a kick and dead. It's broken. 2h sword fighting is fun, you block, it's back and forth. Let me guess you are using a knockdown weapon. Don't have do be a dick, the game is declining.
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Yea I use a Heavy great sword. I dunno how much of an advantage I have. I used to do alot better. But the last few weeks I've played, If my opponent is using a weapon with knockdown, the first connection they make has me down, followed by a kick and dead. It's broken. 2h sword fighting is fun, you block, it's back and forth. Let me guess you are using a knockdown weapon. Don't have do be a dick, the game is declining.
The game is declining because threads like this keep popping up thanks to brain dead kuyak-clad europeans and the occasional american 2h hero.
Dedicated 2h players have got to be the whiniest bunch of oblivious twats, and they are the reason this game is now oversimplified slop.
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Are you kidding me? This is if I'm not mistaken my first post regarding gameplay ever. I'm a dedicated player, and I became that because the game I was playing was fun. This is the first time I've ever complained about anything regarding this game... But please tell me how I'm an oblivious twat to how this game should play out in your head?! Your out of line buddy, and you've said nothing to contribute to the post one way or another. Good job.
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Are you kidding me? This is if I'm not mistaken my first post regarding gameplay ever. I'm a dedicated player, and I became that because the game I was playing was fun. This is the first time I've ever complained about anything regarding this game... But please tell me how I'm an oblivious twat to how this game should play out in your head?! Your out of line buddy, and you've said nothing to contribute to the post one way or another. Good job.
Worry not pal, I'm not singling you out. It's just beyond funny to me when someone comes on the forums to complain about a legitimate mechanic when they spend all of their time playing the easiest class. Easy is putting it lightly, two handed swords are borderline bug abuse.
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Train on the roll away move if u have a major issue with knockdown :) Or u could make an alt which counter those wielders. If its mostly 1h knockdown perhaps a cav build? If its 2h perhaps try arbalest? It wont make the problem go away but damn it can feel good :)
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Clam it down you two.
I have to agree with NoSBoH, it does feel like it happens very often. I'd say 2/3 times I'm struck with a Knockdown weapon on a side swing, I'm kissing the turf. I'm sure nothing has changed in regards to Knockdown mechanics, but seemingly they feel more prevalent lately than prior.
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Double tab move left or right when being knocked down. You are welcome.
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Btw, knockdown chance on most 1h weapons is about 15% compared to nearly the double with 2h knockdown, yet people always complain about 1h knockdown because it knocks you down instead of killing you.
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Worry not pal, I'm not singling you out. It's just beyond funny to me when someone comes on the forums to complain about a legitimate mechanic when they spend all of their time playing the easiest class. Easy is putting it lightly, two handed swords are borderline bug abuse.
It's beyond funny to me when people complain about two handed swords being bug abuse. Are people still struggling to block "lol feints" after all this time?
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god I'm sick of this old and exaggerated 2h prejudice. Yes it is hero class, yes it is very strong and versatile, yes it was OP back in the days, but right now it is easy as fuck to do equally good with other melee classes.
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l2roll, its not hard just keep tapping double a or d everytime you get bumped, eventually you will burn it into your muscle memory. I have gotten to the point where i just automatically roll everytime my char is knocked down.
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Btw, knockdown chance on most 1h weapons is about 15% compared to nearly the double with 2h knockdown, yet people always complain about 1h knockdown because it knocks you down instead of killing you.
People whine at ALL kinds of knockdown but they seem more annoyed when the thing that hit you weight close to nothing, is balanced and has 98-100 speed.
If I get hit by a mauler it's my fault and I really had to fuck up to let someone hit me with so slow weapon, therefore I don't care about this knockdown as it's my fault.
On the other hand when I'm fighting with someone who's using quarter staff (1,2 weight) or thin metal stick (Spathovaklion) or other close to ~98-100 speed and that guy knocks me down with 1st or second swing, I'm mad. Military/War hammer are also among these 'damned' weapons. Also goedendag.... Who the fuck did invent this thing. If you want to annoy somebody like never before then start using it.
Knockdown is a too rewarding feature on balanced weapons with high speed and the coincidence that most of the balanced and fast knockdown weapons are 1h, explains why people mostly show 1h hammers as an example of the knockdown superiority.
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People whine at ALL kinds of knockdown but they seem more annoyed when the thing that hit you weight close to nothing, is balanced and has 98-100 speed.
If I get hit by a mauler it's my fault and I really had to fuck up to let someone hit me with so slow weapon, therefore I don't care about this knockdown as it's my fault.
On the other hand when I'm fighting with someone who's using quarter staff (1,2 weight) or thin metal stick (Spathovaklion) or other close to ~98-100 speed and that guy knocks me down with 1st or second swing, I'm mad. Military/War hammer are also among these 'damned' weapons. Also goedendag.... Who the fuck did invent this thing. If you want to annoy somebody like never before then start using it.
Knockdown is a too rewarding feature on balanced weapons with high speed and the coincidence that most of the balanced and fast knockdown weapons are 1h, explains why people mostly show 1h hammers as an example of the knockdown superiority.
Don't lose hope, 1h will massively switch back to swords now that 1h stabs are ungodly OP.
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People dont get that qq goes into chamber of tears, poor devs have to move threads like this to where they belong.
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It's beyond funny to me when people complain about two handed swords being bug abuse. Are people still struggling to block "lol feints" after all this time?
I complain about it because it's insurmountably easier to use than any other class, 1h sword is tied for second ever since the thrust done goofed.
god I'm sick of this old and exaggerated 2h prejudice. Yes it is hero class, yes it is very strong and versatile, yes it was OP back in the days, but right now it is easy as fuck to do equally good with other melee classes.
Nothing was changed, it is still the easiest due to it's retard animations, imbalanced speed / damage vs poles, ability to use all of your attacks in tight corridors and group fights, etc, etc, etc.
ITT: europeans.
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I complain about it because it's insurmountably easier to use than any other class, 1h sword is tied for second ever since the thrust done goofed.
Nothing was changed, it is still the easiest due to it's retard animations, imbalanced speed / damage vs poles, ability to use all of your attacks in tight corridors and group fights, etc, etc, etc.
ITT: europeans.
Replying to your posts is not worth my 'tapping' on the keyboard. Just writing it now so I don't have to reply later.
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Btw, knockdown chance on most 1h weapons is about 15% compared to nearly the double with 2h knockdown, yet people always complain about 1h knockdown because it knocks you down instead of killing you.
The difference being when someone hits you with a great maul, long maul (other 2h/polearm knockdown weapons) generally it is acceptable to be knocked down. They tend to be slow, heavy weapons and being knocked down or crushed to death seems fair.
When someone comes spamming a military hammer (or other knockdown 1h weapon) the idea that this little, much quicker weapon can so easily knock you down seems ridiculous. It also causes a lot of 1-handers to use knockdown weapons rather than cut/pierce as there is basically no down side, damages all armor types and often gives you a free hit on the ground.
I'm not saying 1h knockdown needs to be changed, just that you (or at least I) can clearly see why it's so freckin annoying and makes people range. (that and the getting ganked whilst knocked down, though Paul's roll feature hopefully combats this a bit. I haven't managed to remember to use it so far in a real knock down situation lol)
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Maybe if you couldn't kick them up for then to knock them down again while keeping knockdown chance the same? Was always quite retarded, even though I love doing it in strategus sieges when I play my dismounted 1h cav. :P
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"Nothing was changed, it is still the easiest due to it's retard animations, imbalanced speed / damage vs poles, ability to use all of your attacks in tight corridors and group fights, etc, etc, etc."
Um I can't use my sword indoors at all, and I team wound in large groups lol. You don't know what your talking about. And on top of that your off topic. Go start a 2h is too easy post.
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I complain about it because it's insurmountably easier to use than any other class, 1h sword is tied for second ever since the thrust done goofed.
Nothing was changed, it is still the easiest due to it's retard animations, imbalanced speed / damage vs poles, ability to use all of your attacks in tight corridors and group fights, etc, etc, etc.
ITT: europeans.
I don't know any high-tier players that complain about 2h animations. It just seems as though the people complaining about 2h are the ones that won't put the effort into learning how to counter it.
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My post wasn't to single out only 1h weapons. Alot of 2h and pole knockdown weapons aren't that slow really. I don't know if it's a mechanic changed or ppl are just putting all there points into Str now, I dunno but it's crap, and the percent chance to knockdown just needs to be tweaked a bit. Problem solved
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People dont get that qq goes into chamber of tears, poor devs have to move threads like this to where they belong.
Fun fact : no thread of importance was created in the Chamber of Tears
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I don't know any high-tier players that complain about 2h animations. It just seems as though the people complaining about 2h are the ones that won't put the effort into learning how to counter it.
Probably since all "high-tier" players are all 2handers...
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Probably since all "high-tier" players are all 2handers...
lol, maybe in murica. However, in Australasia and from what I've seen of Europe, a good player will do well with any weapon.
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Btw, knockdown chance on most 1h weapons is about 15% compared to nearly the double with 2h knockdown, yet people always complain about 1h knockdown because it knocks you down instead of killing you.
3 ps and 29 blunt is all that you need to max out knockdown chance
barmace have max 38 blunt at max with 92 speed
warhamer have 34 blunt with 97 speed and is not unbalanced
l2p kafein it is over 3years now
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Both of you are right. That 4 blunt difference is like hitting with 2 more PS + 6 strength, quite nontrivial. The amount of PS needed to get the maximum knockdown chance is way too low and the chance is ~15% and lower for the 1h weapons and in the 20s for the other weapons. I personally believe that knockdown should only happen only if a certain condition has been met such as during a kick, nudge, or swing so it'd be easier to expect. The required raw damage to achieve maximum knockdown % should also be much higher.
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3 ps and 29 blunt is all that you need to max out knockdown chance
Where did you read this ?
barmace have max 38 blunt at max with 92 speed
warhamer have 34 blunt with 97 speed and is not unbalanced
l2p kafein it is over 3years now
Way to ignore a reach difference of 32, and a difference of 4 blunt is not small by any standard
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Where did you read this ?
Way to ignore a reach difference of 32, and a difference of 4 blunt is not small by any standard
1h fanatic, pointles
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They're both great weapons and they both knock down a lot. Used Warhammer a lot while dismounted as 21/18 1h cav (strat sieges mostly) and Bar Mace as a 21/18 2h character.
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They're both great weapons and they both knock down a lot. Used Warhammer a lot while dismounted as 21/18 1h cav (strat sieges mostly) and Bar Mace as a 21/18 2h character.
This. I'm not downplaying the warhammer, it's perhaps the second best 1h mace (first being spathovaklion)
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Yea I use a Heavy great sword. I dunno how much of an advantage I have. I used to do alot better. But the last few weeks I've played, If my opponent is using a weapon with knockdown, the first connection they make has me down, followed by a kick and dead. It's broken. 2h sword fighting is fun, you block, it's back and forth. Let me guess you are using a knockdown weapon. Don't have do be a dick, the game is declining.
2h sword fighting is fun, you block, it's back and forth
you block
THEN BLOCK you twat. Knockdown is not magically unblockable. L2P, not rely on your armor and IF to cushion all the hits u take before you manage to land one when your opponent glances.
Its that simple. Stop whine, lock thread, l2p.
EDIT: Also, if I was getting knocked down all the damn time, I would learn to roll. Its a simple doubletap of A or D, and your away from his range at least long enough to get another block up.
"Nothing was changed, it is still the easiest due to it's retard animations, imbalanced speed / damage vs poles, ability to use all of your attacks in tight corridors and group fights, etc, etc, etc."
Um I can't use my sword indoors at all, and I team wound in large groups lol. You don't know what your talking about. And on top of that your off topic. Go start a 2h is too easy post.
Dude, honestly, READ what you wrote: YOU don't know how to play indoors or in ganks. 2handed is easiest class when it comes to fighting. It just is. Im not against 2h, I have lvl 32 2hander, lvl 32 polearmer, and most other classes level 30. I like almost all aspects of crpg (Crossbows are not for men, of course, but I cannot MAKE everyone stop being an arserammer) but 2handed is easiest all around fighting.
But hey, dafuck do I know, only played for 3 years, only got 50 gens or so, only played every class.
Knockdown is the least broken thing in the game atm.
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Knockdown is the least broken thing in the game atm.
Kicking someone knocked down for even more hits is though. 1-2 free hits for a knockdown is fair and well, up to 5-6 free hits is not (most people are dead in 3-4 though). 1 hit by a mace can often be certain death, even with full health bar prior to the hit. A tad harsh.
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Kicking someone knocked down for even more hits is though. 1-2 free hits for a knockdown is fair and well, up to 5-6 free hits is not (most people are dead in 3-4 though). 1 hit by a mace can often be certain death, even with full health bar prior to the hit. A tad harsh.
knockdown is not a problem, rate of knockdow is