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Title: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 19, 2013, 01:04:06 am
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Conan the Barbarian (1982) - Movie Review by Khorin (includes spoilers)

“Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And unto this, Conan, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can tell thee of his saga. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!”


Plot:

The plot of the movie centers on the barbarian archetype Conan the Cimmerian. Cimmerian’s are a warrior people that live far to the north of where the majority of the movie takes place.

In the introduction we are introduced to the young Conan and his tribe and family. His father tells him of the Enigma of Steel, a.k.a. the riddle of steel. When doing this he is referring to how man found the mastery of steel after a great battle between the gods, led by Crom(the god of the Cimmerians that lives under a mountain), and giants. Soon after this Conan’s entire tribe is killed by a group of men wielding a banner with twin serpents. Conan himself is sold to slavery were he spends his entire teenage years and early adulthood doing slave labor that hardens his muscles.

After this he is sold yet again to a group of men looking for a new fighter for their arena. Conan, strong as he is, survives better than expected and is rewarded with advanced combat training by his masters.

Conan eventually escapes and finds an ancient tomb with a throne upon which rests a skeleton clutching a sword. Conan refers to the skeleton as Crom and takes the sword. After this Conan earns plenty of riches through adventure while at the same time trying to find the men who murdered his tribe. He eventually tracks down the men to a cult that uses the very same banner and is given a quest by a king to rescue the king’s daughter that has been seduced by the cultists. His friend Subotai and his love Valeria consider it too dangerous, but Conan driven by the need to avenge his tribe leaves alone in the night.

During his attempt to rescue the daughter and find information on the murderers, Conan meets Thulsa Doom, the leader of the snake cult. In a memorable scene, Thulsa Doom and Conan(who is badly wounded) share this great dialogue:

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Conan is eventually joined by his friends again and by a new character referred to only as the Wizard and together they eventually take down the cult and rescue the king’s daughter. Valeria, on the other hand, dies in the attempt. The scene where the leader of the cult is killed is hauntingly good. Thulsa Doom attempts to convince Conan not to kill him, using his powers of persuasion the same way he had charmed all his followers. Conan does not fall under his spell and kills him, proving that Thulsa’s understanding of the riddle of steel was not enough to stop Conan. The cultists who consider him a god see his head get cut off and thrown down the stairs. Realizing how wrong they were all the cultists leave quietly grieving and ashamed.

Here is the final scene:
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Visuals:

The filming is great and throughout the movie it feels like a true high-budget movie, especially if you watch the Blu-ray version. You can barely tell it’s filmed in the 80s.

The graphical effects for the most part hold up incredibly well, considering the movies age. There is only scene that I can think of where the special effects are a tad odd, and that’s the scene where spirits are trying to steal Conan’s soul. Otherwise, the magic in the movie is actually incredibly low-key, to the movie’s credit. There are no fireball-hurling wizards here. Conan’s friend, the wizard primarily performs only ritualistic magic, while Thulsa Doom does simple things like turning a snake to a poisonous arrow.

The costume design of the movie is also top notch quality, though the style might seem extremely 80s to some. However, this style was already set partly in place in the Conan art designs and was after Conan the Barbarian copied a lot. Conan is still to this day, the quintessential Barbarian. Personally, I really enjoy the costumes, they’re really metal, except maybe for a few goofy helmets, but even those I whole-heartedly accept.

The fighting scenes are for the most part well-choreographed and are most enjoyable to watch. The scenery in this movie is also beautiful and it really gives the movie a sense of scale and wonder along with the, for the most part well thought out sets.

Audio:

The soundtrack of this movie is in my opinion one of the best ever created. It sets the tone perfectly for “high adventure”. It is a great orchestral score created by Basil Poledouris.

Acting:

The acting is perhaps the weakest part in the movie. It is not exactly bad. Arnold Schwarzenegger does a fantastic job as Conan. Indeed, it’s probably Arnold at his best. He fits perfectly, due to his accent and weak grasp of English. It is just what you’d expect from a northerner that has received no education and spent most of his life as a slave or a pit fighter. Perhaps the weakest performance in the movie is that of Valeria, simply because she does nothing to distinguish herself. It’s competent, but nothing special. The Wizard plays the role of the hermit extremely well, and I knew I recognized his voice from somewhere, and it turns out he’s the voice of Aku in Samurai Jack (among many other things), my favourite cartoon as a kid. He is also the narrator/chronicler of the entire movie.

However, hands down the best performance of the movie actually comes from the king, who only has one scene, but he performs it to near perfection.

Just watch:
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Dialogue:

There really isn’t that much dialogue in this movie, compared to others. I suspect it’s partly because of Arnold’s weak English, but I don’t know. However, what little dialogue there is is practically instant classics. They are simple, but very powerful, and therefore easy to remember. Conan doesn’t philosophize, and when he does, he does it in a very down to earth fashion, fitting his character.

Here’s a selection of memorable quotes:
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Personal Opinion:

So, as you may have noticed, I really like this movie. I’d put it in my top 5 movies of all time. It is a bit cliché to modern eyes, but it’s cliché because this movie made it cliché. It’s like faulting Tolkien for being too generic. Keep in mind, Conan and Lord of the Rings was first conceived around the same time. Conan, in my opinion is equally ground-breaking as Tolkien’s work, though perhaps a lower class of literature perhaps of lesser quality (assuming you care).

I recommend anyone who hasn’t seen this movie, to watch it. It was the standard that other fantasy movies strived to reach until Lord of the Rings was released and still holds up incredibly well. The worst case scenario is that you will find it incredibly campy, but really funny. Either way, you should definitely see it.

Thoughts about the Riddle of Steel:

The riddle of steel is mentioned twice in the movie:
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Also, in the last scene Conan's life becomes full circle when he cuts Thulsa Doom's head off the same way Doom cut Conan's mother's head off. But before that he tries to convince Conan not to do so.

Conan's father considered steel to be stronger while Thulsa Doom considered flesh to be the strongest. Conan realizes at the end, that both of them were wrong, and that the true riddle of steel is that it is steel and flesh together. It is the will of Conan that could not be swayed, and the sharpness of his sword that gave him the power to cut down Thulsa Doom. This is the generally accepted "answer", but there are variations.

I always enjoyed imagining Conan at the end when he sits on the stairs contemplating his victory as him wondering what has changed. The only thing his quest for revenge made for his personal life was that he lost his love.

Let me explain. By killing Thulsa Doom, he set himself "free" of his quest for revenge, and also "freed" the cultists from Thulsa Doom's lies. But free to do what? Same things they could've done earlier had they the will to do so. Really emphasizes the futility of revenge in the end.

I’ll do a short write-up of the failures of Conan the Destroyer if people are interested. Thank you if you managed to make it this far!


Title: Re: A completely random movie review
Post by: Panos_ on October 19, 2013, 01:12:12 am
Khorin, I wanted to do this for a long time, but now it`s the chance, why don`t you rename this thread to "Movie Reviews" or something else, and people can post here what movie they`ve seen last, and a small personal review, what do you think?
Title: Re: A completely random movie review
Post by: Leshma on October 19, 2013, 01:17:31 am
Wholeheartedly agree with Khorin on this one.
Title: Re: A completely random movie review
Post by: Sir_Hans on October 19, 2013, 04:58:33 am
watched it for the first time a few months ago. Definitely a great movie, a classic in my book too.
Title: Re: A completely random movie review
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 19, 2013, 09:03:37 am
Quote from: Sabjorn on October 19, 2013, 01:12:12 am
Khorin, I wanted to do this for a long time, but now it`s the chance, why don`t you rename this thread to "Movie Reviews" or something else, and people can post here what movie they`ve seen last, and a small personal review, what do you think?

Not a bad idea that. Hopefully others will write their own stuff in here too.

EDIT: Sir Hans, even though that scene in your signature is from the sequel. I love that move he does. Punching a horse hard enough to knock it over.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: zagibu on October 19, 2013, 01:57:30 pm
Seen Gravity yesterday. It's a space drama, intense action, 90% closeup shots, the 3d experience is pretty good, awesome soundtrack. Some space-gotchas like pressure waves in empty space etc., but bearable. Sandra Bullock in tights most of the time.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Nightmare798 on October 19, 2013, 02:57:41 pm
Resident evil movie franchise.

It sucks.

0/10
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Vibe on October 19, 2013, 03:11:37 pm
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Radament on October 19, 2013, 04:42:37 pm
Quote from: zagibu on October 19, 2013, 01:57:30 pm
Seen Gravity yesterday. It's a space drama, intense action, 90% closeup shots, the 3d experience is pretty good, awesome soundtrack. Some space-gotchas like pressure waves in empty space etc., but bearable. Sandra Bullock in tights most of the time.

saw it yesterday too , even if not too realistic , it's a great movie. do a review like khorin did.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: zagibu on October 19, 2013, 06:08:41 pm
Quote from: Radament on October 19, 2013, 04:42:37 pm
saw it yesterday too , even if not too realistic , it's a great movie. do a review like khorin did.

Lol, never.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 22, 2013, 02:33:12 pm
Since some people enjoyed my review, I think I'll make one for Conan the Destroyer as well, but first I'd like to take some points up that I forgot in my first review relating to Conan's revenge and the riddle of steel.

The riddle of steel is mentioned twice in the movie:
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Also, in the last scene Conan's life becomes full circle when he cuts Thulsa Doom's head off the same way Doom cut Conan's mother's head off. But before that he tries to convince Conan not to do so.

Conan's father considered steel to be stronger while Thulsa Doom considered flesh to be the strongest. Conan realizes at the end, that both of them were wrong, and that the true riddle of steel is that it is steel and flesh together. It is the will of Conan that could not be swayed, and the sharpness of his sword that gave him the power to cut down Thulsa Doom. This is the generally accepted "answer", but there are variations. (Conan 2011 kinda confirms it with its "Mystery of Steel" which was "Which is most important when forging a sword, Fire or Ice?" The answer was "Fire and Ice")

I always enjoyed imagining Conan at the end when he sits on the stairs contemplating his victory as him wondering what has changed. The only change his quest for revenge caused for his personal life was that he lost his love.

Let me explain. By killing Thulsa Doom, he set himself "free" of his quest for revenge, and also "freed" the cultists from Thulsa Doom's lies. But free to do what? Same things they could've done earlier had they the will to do so. Really emphasizes the futility of revenge in the end.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 22, 2013, 10:29:26 pm
Alright, this turned out way too long. Hope someone bothers to read it.  :)


Conan the Destroyer (1984) - Movie Review by Khorin (includes spoilers)

“Between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world. Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, sword in hand. It is I, his chronicler, who knows well his saga. Now, let me tell you of the days of high adventure!”


Plot:

The plot starts off with Conan kneeling before an altar with his friend Malak, the thief, when they get attacked by unknown men. After defeating them, the leader of the attackers calls her men back and tells Conan that she needs him for a quest. Conan at first declines, but after the leader, who is in fact the queen of the area, promises that she can bring back Valeria, Conan’s girl from the first movie, he agrees.

So they travel to the capital city where the queen tells Conan that he is to escort the queen’s niece, Jehnna, to find the horn of Dagoth, their god, a.k.a. the Dreaming God. The niece was born with a certain mark that allows her touch, without dying, a diamond that allows them to find the horn. When Conan is off-screen we hear the queen and Bombaata, Jehnna’s protector, discuss killing Conan after they have found the diamond.

Bombaata’s mission is also to protect Jehnna’s virginity, since she is needed for sacrifice. Jehnna does not know anything about this, naturally. This comes as no surprise to anyone, since they’re all dressed in black and the high priest has a staff with a skull on it. Of course they’re evil. We learn that the diamond is held by an evil wizard. It’s hopefully clear to everyone by now that the mission is to wake the Dreaming God from its slumber.

So they embark on their quest and Conan sets out to find his own wizard, so he rescues Akiro from cannibals. Akiro is the Wizard from the first movie, who is mentioned by name for the first time. So, they start their trek toward the evil wizard and on the way encounter Zula, who is a Zulu. Get it? Zula pledges to fight for Conan, because Conan rescued her after she was caught raiding.

They eventually reach the wizard’s tower, but the night before they enter it, the wizard sends a magic bird and kidnaps Jehnna in her sleep. Conan and the rest of the party wake up in the morning and notice that she’s gone and immediately set out to rescue her. The wizard’s toward is situation in a lake and it’s made of ice. This is where it gets a little odd that Conan is not cold without a shirt, since the temperature is cold enough for us to see his breath. They encounter the wizard, who turns into a troll-orc and kill him.

Afterwards they follow Jehnna who intuitively knows where to go and find the horn in an old ruin. On the ruin walls it tells how Dagoth will destroy the earth if awakened. Either way, on the way out they encounter cultists who want the horn. They escape from the ruins, but not before Bombaata takes Jehnna and the horn and leaves them to their fate.

Conan, obviously, gets mad for being betrayed and travels with what’s left of his party back to the capitol. There he sneaks in to the temple right when they’re about to sacrifice Jehnna (who we are now told must be sacrificed so that the queen can control Dagoth). He fights Bombaata and kills him and saves Jehnna. However the ritual has gone too far and Dagoth is awakened, so they fight him and manage to kill him too by ripping out his horn. The movie ends in a classic movie cliché where the heroes are awarded their rewards by the newly crowned Jehnna.

Visuals:

The visuals in this movie are a bit mixed. The sets and the scenery is still top notch, apart from the wizard’s tower that is unfortunately pretty poorly made in some parts. The costumes still hold up to Conan the Barbarian’s standard of looking authentic but still rich with classic barbarian fantasy aesthetics.

The scope of this movie is for the most part much larger than the original. Whereas in the original they fought a cult with relatively little magic, in the sequel they fight cultists, other cultists, a wizard and a god. And cannibals. The problem with this is that the graphical effects do not deliver in all of these scenes. The fight against the wizard and pretty much all his magic looks pretty bad to a modern viewer and the entire set in that scene is also pretty poor. Dagoth looks a bit strange, but I can understand the technical limitations here, and the god does still look fairly terrifying and grotesque.

The wizard in all his terrific glory:

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The fighting choreography is not quite as good as in the original either. Pretty much every scene with Zula fighting is pretty bad. She fights with a spear, but it doesn’t look convincing at all. Malak, “fights” with daggers, but it’s mainly him just hiding and stabbing people who are already down. It all really leaves you wanting Subotai from the original back. Conan’s fight against the wizard is not that well choreographed either.

Here you can see Zula fighting. As an added bonus you get to see Jehnna's terrible acting.

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Audio:

The movie has practically the same soundtrack as before and it’s still very good.

Acting:

And so we come to the acting. This is worse across the board, to be brutally honest. So I’ll go through the most important characters.

Arnold Schwarzenegger in his role as Conan has deteriorated slightly from the original. He isn’t as convincing, and I believe one of the reasons could be that he has more to say. However, the difference here isn’t huge, and some of it is probably due to bad dialogue which I’ll discuss later.

The biggest offender in bad acting in this movie, and I’d be hard pressed to find anyone worse is Jehnna. Once again, her script and part in the movie is generally horrible. Half the time she is shouting for help, or trying to find out how to seduce Conan. However, the actress Olivia d’Abo makes the entire thing cringe worthy. It’s abysmal. If you watch this movie, you will notice this in her first line.

Malak, played by Tracey Walter, is also terrible. Once again, this is probably due to a bad script, but a good actor can overcome that to some degree.

Zula (Grace Jones) tries to play the role of a warrior woman, but once again just doesn’t manage it. Her fights are awkward and the way she acts is not believable. The entire effort to seem like a warrior is ruined in a scene where she spots a rat and jumps away like any old frightened woman (according to cliché) and is then laughed at by the rest.

Shockingly enough Mombaata played by none other than Wilt Chamberlain, a famous basketball player, does his job relatively good compared to the disasters above.

Mako, who plays Akiro the Wizard, is for the most part really good as per usual. However, one criticism I have is the opening speech he is responsible for. When he talks in the first Conan movie that intro is awesome and delivered perfectly. In Conan the Destroyer, however, the intro is not delivered with the same impact and seems almost indifferent when he says it. I have a feeling he had too much to say for the time he was given, forcing him to rush it.

Just listen to both of the and compare. The first one is from Conan the Barbarian, the second one is from Conan the Destroyer:



The rest of the characters do an average to decent job. The Wizard’s monologue lines aren’t really that impressive, but his entire character is pointless anyway, so I can’t exactly fault him for it.

Dialogue:

So, remember all those memorable quotes I posted in my Conan the Barbarian review? That wasn’t nearly all of them, and they were fantastic lines, I hope you agree. Now in Conan the Destroyer, there are none. There’s not a single line that I can remember that was good and memorable. Some were decent, some were memorable due to being bad, but that’s it. What happened?

Instead we get lines like these:

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The one who wrote the script should seriously have given more thought to it. This is yet another black mark when you compare it to the original.

Personal Opinion:

The plot to me feels a little needlessly convoluted for a Conan movie. In Conan the Barbarian he had one task and everything he faced was Thulsa Doom’s henchmen, with a few minor exceptions. The wizard that they fight is completely random. We are told nothing about him, other than he holds the diamond. He could be the protector of the world for all we know. And after they kill him and try to take the horn, some random cultists appear that want to fight Conan again. Then they also fight the cannibals when rescuing Akiro. The worst part about it is that it would probably be alright if the queen turned out to betray him in a shock twist at the end, but no. It’s blatantly obvious to everyone except Conan & Co. that she is evil.

Another thing that always bothered me was that when Conan fights the wizard, he finds the wizards weakness purely by accident, which makes the entire scene feel like Conan just got lucky, which is in direct contrast to the earlier movie.

All the new side characters just make me wish we had Valeria and Subotai back. Malak is the replacement for Subotai, and he's just an annoying guy who delivers some slapstick quality humour to it. Did they really think Conan needed that? Zula as a character does nothing other than stare menacingly and tries to be strong. Thank the heavens Mako returned with his character Akiro.

You may have noticed this review is fairly negative. It’s not really a bad movie. It’s okay. This was the first Conan movie I saw when I was younger and I loved it. I still like it. The only reason it sounds bad is because I really, really liked the first one and this comes across rushed in the first seconds of the movie. However, it’s still a Conan movie at heart. I do recommend it, if you liked the first Conan. If you thought the first Conan was campy and funny, well, this is more of that. Regardless, you should watch it.

My god, this turned out longer than expected. Thank you if you managed to read it all.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Tot. on October 24, 2013, 05:43:15 pm
BTW. This worth watching (Making of Conan the Barbarian, 3 parts). I kinda cringe every time I think that they initially were, for example, planning to make the crypt scene with finding Atlantean sword faithful to the books, that skeleton was supposed to come alive and Conan was supposed to have a prolonged fight with it. Just think about that, one of the most iconic scenes turned into something like that final fight in Conan the Destroyer.  :lol:

Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 24, 2013, 07:19:19 pm
It could be done alright with stop-motion. Skeletons and robots are some of the few things that can look really good with stop-motion over CGI, in my opinion. It looks more robotic, while bad CGI can really ruin a scene and CGI rarely looks that real.


But it can also look dreadful. Really depends on how much effort they put into it.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Xant on October 24, 2013, 07:25:54 pm
Review this next.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082198/?ref_=nv_sr_2
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Logen on October 25, 2013, 12:34:30 am
Conan movies are probably responsible for atleast 50% of 2h heroes we have in crpg
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 06, 2014, 04:14:45 pm
Ciao, mia sorellas!

Because you guys are all lazy, I decided to write another one, this time about Red Sonja, a.k.a. I wish this was Conan 3.

Red Sonja (1985) - Movie Review by Khorin (includes spoilers)



Plot:
This movie tells the story of Red Sonja(Brigitte Nielsen). In the opening scene Red Sonja is visited by a spirit that gives her the power to defeat the evil Queen Gedren(Sandahl Bergman) who killed Red Sonja's family and was also raped by the queen's soldiers. So far so good on the barbarian hero cliché. Family of the protagonist is killed and now she's out for revenge.

After this the opening credits start to roll showing a man called Kalidor(Arnold Schwarzenegger) riding over open steppes to the music that you should already be listening to, already you get the distinct feeling that he is Conan.

The plot revolves around a magical object called the Talisman that has immense magical powers, and in the first few scenes Queen Gedren steals it from a temple and kills Sonja's only living family member, her sister. Kalidor who was riding toward the temple to witness the destruction of the Talisman instead finds Sonja's sister dying. Kalidor promises to find Sonja and bring her to her sister. She is found in an "asian" martial arts school practicing sword fighting and here we learn of her inherent dislike of men. Sonja promises to destroy the Talisman and avenge her sister, but refuses Kalidor's assistance on her mission and rides off on her own. Without her knowing, Kalidor follows her.

In the next part we are introduced to two people in a ruined city. These two people are Prince Tarn(Ernie Reyes Jr.), who is around 7 years old, and Falkon(Paul L. Smith), his manservant. The city was under Tarn's rule before Queen Gedren passed by with the Talisman and destroyed it. These tell Red Sonja that Gedren's kingdom of eternal night lies beyond a toll gate controlled by a man called Brytag.

When she reaches the toll gate, Brytag(Pat Roach) refuses passage, so she kills him and just when Sonja is about to be overrun by Brytag's soldiers Kalidor shows up and saves the day. They open the gate and Sonja rides off alone while Kalidor stays to kill all the soldiers. In the next scene by some magic we meet Tarn and Falkon again who have been kidnapped by bandits. Red Sonja saves the pair and they decide to go and kill Gedren together.

Gedren who can see their approach from far away using a magical mirror sends a storm at them which drives them into a cave. In the cave they are attacked by a mechanical snake monster, and just in the right moment Kalidor shows up again and together with Red Sonja kills the monster. By now Red Sonja is starting to warm up to Con... I mean Kalidor, and she tells him that he will only have sex with a man strong enough to beat her in combat. So they fight until both are too tired and continue their journey toward the evil castle.

Once there they climb up the walls of the castle. Kalidor goes first and helps Red Sonja climb and then they enter the compound through some tunnel that's on the top. Right when they get out of the tunnel, Red Sonja is almost killed, but luckily Kalidor comes out of the tunnel in the right moment to kill the bad guy. After this, they all fight a bunch of badguys and kill Gedren and destroy the Talisman which causes the castle to start to collapse.

During the escape Conan uses his muscles three times to create an opening through which they can escape. The entire movie ends with Red Sonja and Kalidor kissing.

Visuals:

On the costume department everything looks pretty good. Classic 80s barbarian movie style, but they don't look cheap. Just an aesthetic one has to get used to. The fighting is also serviceable, though mainly relies on Arnold being Arnold.
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The sets are also good enough, apart from the final sets inside the castle. The lighting seems way off, you only see torches and you'd expect a slightly glomy castle, but it's all too bright inside. The lights look like they're lit up by spotlights.

The snake monster looks alright at first, until you realize it's made of metal and the scene drags on way too long allowing you to see all its faults. Gedren's pet spider looks ridiculous. You can see it hanging from the ceiling.

Audio:

There's not much to say in the audio department. The above video in the first half plays the opening title music which is classic old-school adventure style music. The rest of it, is extremely forgettable. A lot of the scenes also lacked music. The entirely too long snake monster scene lacked any music at all. This is probably due to the entire soundtrack being only 30 minutes long, while Conan's was double that.

Soundtrack:
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Acting:

Okay, so this is the worst part of the movie. It's terrible all over, but I'll only mention the 5 main characters.

Falkon and Prince Tarn are introduced as a comedic relief to the movie and it's executed horribly. Frankly, the movie would be made infinately better if the kid that plays Tarn would be removed. His performance of a young arrogant prince is awful awful awful.

Queen Gedren, i.e. Sandahl Bergman, who also played Valeria in Conan the Barbarian unfortunately does not play the evil queen part that well. At worst it regresses to a parody of an evil queen.

Red Sonja never convinces the viewer that she's this super badass fighter she's supposed to be, and just seems outshined by Arnold constantly. Nothing she says is believable. In fact, it's so bad that now that I watch the wikipedia page, she actually won a Razzie for Worst New Star and was nominated for Worst Actor.

Arnold plays Conan and does so alright. Not as convincing as Conan the Barbarian, but that is primarily due to the dialogue. All in all, the acting in this movie is lacking.

Dialogue:

It's bad, alright. And delivered worse for the most part.

Here's some examples:
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Personal Opinion:

This movie is really strange. It has everything needed for a Conan movie, but it insists on having Red Sonja as the main character even though she's constantly outperformed by Kalidor. There are two situations in the movie where Red Sonja saves the day. When she rescues the two kidnapped idiots and when she kills Gedren. There are five situations where Kalidor saves Red Sonja. It's like they wanted to make a Conan movie, but couldn't, so they made a movie about a strong woman instead without removing Conan. I feel a bit sorry for how Red Sonja is treated.

If you need any more convincing of this, just look at the cover:
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That said, it's an 80s campy barbarian movie, and I have to say, they're kinda my weak spot. It's bad, yes, but it's funny bad in some ways and bad bad in other ways. However, if you've already seen all the Conan's, unfortunately, Red Sonja is the best you'll find. Along with the new Conan remake that's being made there's been quite a bit of murmuring about a new Red Sonja movie being made. It was initially cancelled, but now it seems to have resurfaced. So maybe in the future we'll get to see some of this.  :oops:

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Thanks for reading gentlemen. Maybe in a few months I'll write another barbarian movie review. There's so many to choose from. I've seen Seven Gladiators, Hundra, Amazons, all Ator movies and all Deathstalker's and seeing how these movies are difficult to get a hold of, I might do one of these. But if I watch something new, I'll probably do a write up of that.

Don't expect anything good though, they only go downhill from here. I've seen things.... And I haven't even seen the bottom.

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Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: barbare on February 07, 2014, 06:18:34 pm
i love your post Ninja_khorin ,  it's a very good idea  :D
 Watched these movie probably more then 20 time.. i listen all of conan the barbarian and kalidor song  thats why my name  and conan the barbarian was taken already..
Thx again for that wondefull rewiew of some of my favorites movies and see you on the hell of Crpg ** :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 08, 2014, 12:40:35 pm
I'm glad you liked it.

In case you didn't know, there's a new Conan (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2479722/) movie featuring Arnold in the works. This is literally my most asked for movie ever and I hope to Crom they do it right, and they do seem to be in the right track.

These are quotes from the producer:
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I don't want to give away plot, but Conan's Conan to me. Look, for my money, I don't think that the right way. I'm not interested in passing on the torch. It's Conan! It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. We're bringing him back for a reason. When I say Unforgiven, I mean it's a guy who has to come back, and I want him to play his age. I want him to be looking at the later years of his life and have to contemplate this horrific threat. Sitting down and walking through the story with [Schwarzenegger], he's amazing. It's one of the projects that I am incredibly excited about, because I know when you hear Conan and you hear certain things, like the instinct is "There was just a Conan movie and we know those Conan things" -- this is different, I'm telling you. I wouldn't do it if it wasn't perfectly fitting and built off that first movie and if it wasn't awesome, and it's awesome. It's a great character journey. People think it's just going to swords and hacking and effects. It is not. It is a character story. It's awesome.

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Look, I think Jason is a really good actor. I love him, especially in Game of Thrones -- holy s***, he's great! But it is what it is. That's the version they set out and did. The version that I am really interested in, the one that I went to Arnold with, and went to the studio with is, it's a different version, and it really is a take on...Conan the Barbarian, people can say what they want about it, I think it's actually a brilliant movie. I think the lack of dialogue in it...I think [John] Milius did such a good job with it, such a good job. There's a lesson about what it is to be a man and a warrior and "What is civilization in barbarism?" and "What do you believe in?" and lessons of life. I think there's so much in that movie that we are now going to be able to jump ahead and build on that foundation that they built, those types of lessons. I think it's going to be something really special and iconic and different than people expect.

That's exactly the story what I want, a movie about Conan. An old Conan doing his last epic act of heroism.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 13, 2014, 09:13:52 pm
Hah! Going to put up another review here about a movie no one cares about. I did say that if I watch another shitty barbarian movie I'd post a new one. So here you go.

I changed the formula a bit, because honestly, there's not much to say about this movie. Anyway, here we go:

Barbarian Queen (1985) - Movie Review by Khorin (includes spoilers)

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Story:

Alright...

So the story starts, as is mandated by the genre (apparently), in an idyllic barbarian village, this time set in a tropical setting. The village is attacked by bad guys and the inhabitants are killed and/or sold to slavery. You know the bad guys are bad because they are dressed in black. The protagonist and titular character of this movie is one of the survivors of the attack called Amethea. The village was attacked on Amethea’s wedding day, and his husband was kidnapped and sold to slavery to become a gladiator in the evil king’s arena. So the motivation for the protagonist is to save her husband and get revenge for her village. She has some other female friends, but honestly I didn’t care much about them. I had to google Amethea’s name just to remember it. Basically they’re a band of 3-5 women on an adventure.

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So after a few bumps in the road and getting smuggled in to the city ruled by the evil by a kid who is the son of the rebel leader (this is the first time the rebellion is mentioned, so if it seems sudden, that’s because it is) they finally find the husband and discover that he is still alive with a few other villagers fighting in the gladiator pits. While scouting in the city one girl in the band of heroes goes crazy (or something?) and hand herself over to the enemy which leads to all of them being caught. Some of them are sent to the gladiators as prostitutes while Amethea herself is sent to the torture chambers. Eventually the rebels, the girls and the gladiators manage to rebel at the same time and kill the evil king and the protagonist and her husband are reunited. The moment the king dies the fight is over and the entire city cheers and the screen freezes and credits start rolling.
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I feel that the scene where Amethea escapes the torture chamber deserves special mention. Now so far I have ignored the countless rape/rape attempt scenes and flashing of boobs at any opportunity. This wasn’t particularly shocking to me since most low-budget barbarian movies are like this. They stand somewhere between soft-core porn and just a really bad movie. Usually they show boobs as much as they can get away with, but rarely much more than that. Close up, anyway.

So Amethea’s torturer is a pervert, and he figures that he is going to rape Amethea while she is tied to a torture rack. Amethea manages to free herself by grasping the tortures penis (this is off-camera) with such a death grip that he is forced to free her. This is was funny, but here’s the curve ball. Her hands and legs were all tied up and spread, so there was no way for her to use either of them to do this feat. Yes, the vagina death grip is real. I had to rewind to actually see if I understood the scene correctly, because only the upper parts of the bodies are shown, but yes, she squeezes his penis with her vagina and then he shouts : “Wait. Wait! Stop squeezing! Too tight!!”. I turned from rolling my eyes about another rape scene to choking on my drink at the ridiculous scene. Another thing to point out is that, and maybe it’s only my inner racist, but the torturer looks like a stereotype of a Jew. Make of that what you will.

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Thoughts:

The sets are very bog standard, but not necessarily bad. The city was actually fairly good looking, with lots of extras and clay houses. The costumes are average in the genre, which means that they are actually pretty bad, but not terribly so. Just uninspired, mostly. While Conan had sometimes ridiculously stylized and overly detailed costumes of badassery, these are mainly just various cloths and leathers. Obviously the clothing on especially the women is extremely limited. The exception to generic clothing is in the beginning in their tropical village where they put in some effort.

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The acting is painful(ly funny), apart from the protagonist who at least puts a small effort in to it. Not much, a tiny bit.  The most amusing performances come from the pimp who acts like a caricature of a homosexual and the torturer who is a basement perv. The pimp especially has the daintiest voice and just goes with it. The fighting choreography was also not remarkable, but not horrible either. The girls managed to put some weight behind their swings. There are some pretty cool shots too that work pretty well.

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The music ranges from boring 80s action music that could fit any of action movie of the era to an okayish theme that has some feeling of adventure behind, but none of the epicness.

So what do I think of the movie? It’s horrible trash that doesn’t have a single original thought. It’s what I expected going in, and it’s what I got. But I’m a bit of an oddity in that I appreciate the level of awful these movies achieve so I was thoroughly entertained. The only distasteful part is the abundance of rape scenes, or perhaps mostly the rape humor. I appreciate boobs as much as the next guy, and having a rape scene to provoke an emotional response is fine, I guess, but when it’s there simply to arouse the viewer, it feels a bit wrong. But these barbarian worlds are brutal and archaic, so they’re not completely out of place, I guess. That said I did appreciate the torture scene for its ridiculousness.

Here’s some examples of the quality of dialogue in this movie:
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Should you watch it, though? If you can’t appreciate the camp feeling of Conan, you definitely shouldn’t see this. While Conan was fantastic, this is a cheap ripoff (not the cheapest, I might review those later). However, it’s not the worst barbarian movie I’ve seen. You would have to try to find worse, though.

Stay tuned for a review of the "sequel", or something else depending on what I feel like.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: [ptx] on October 13, 2014, 11:14:33 pm
Alright, here is a few sci-fi movies i've seen recently -

Cargo - starts out with decent'ish visuals and special effects, looks as if it could be either an Alien-like movie or something, with the main heroine enlisting as a medical officer aboard some cargo spaceship...
Product placement LOL
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..and then realises it's a german or swiss or whatever movie and rapidly goes downhill. Like, really rapidly. About 50% in the plot no longer makes any sense, character interactions are max cringe-worthy and then it even ends in the best (or, rather, worst) traditions of german soup operas. Ugh.

Screamers - like above, starts out fine. Here we follow the main hero, commander of a small base of side A soldiers on a post-apocalyptic world, as he is trying to make sense of wtf is goin on lol, and maybe contact and make peace with side B. Actually lasts more or less fine to around 80%... and then the plot and any sense just goes flying out the window. Unlike above, you don't even get decent visuals, just a lot of cheap props and terrible CGI. Meh.

Upstream Color - if you mind abstract, stay away, because this turns it to 11. Main heroine comes under the influence of a will-controlling parasite, injected into her by a thief and loses everything she had. She then comes together with someone she may have something in common with, as she tries to make sense of her new life. Lots of questions, quite a pleasing experience.

Europa Report - here we follow the manned mission to gather samples and stuff from Europa, the Jupiter moon, in an effort to see, if it has any life on it. It's all set in the very near future and most everything seems very plausible, the visuals are great too and the plot is just crazy intense. The ending could've been better, but it's okay, at least it ain't Cargo. If you liked such movies as The Moon and Sunshine, you will probably like this as well. 8/10

Franklyn - one of those movies, where you follow the seemingly unrelated stories of a bunch of people, except this one is really quite nice. When will you see the explanation behind one of them? Also, it's a British movie, i love well done European films :)

The Signal (2014) - I swear, the issue with most sci-fi movies is that they can't come up with a sensible ending. This one starts out and, for about 90% of the movie, plays out almost like something from SCP (http://www.scp-wiki.net/). And it's got Laurence Fishburne. That's great, right? And then just the most abrupt and lame ending. Disappointing.

Contact - A bit dull at times and hardly sci-fi most of it, but is mostly okay. Can't really say much else.

Another Earth - Somewhat tear-wrenching and the sci-fi elements is just what starts the otherwise not really sci-fi plot. Also, the ending. I did watch the entire thing and needed to go all naked+2h on EU1 to feel more manly afterwards or someshit. Don't watch it for sci-fi.

Fortress - Cheap and mindless action-flick in some sort of dystopian super-prison. Entertaining, i guess.

Extracted, Perfect Sense - Both are pretty good, but i'm too lazy to write anything.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 14, 2014, 10:47:22 am
That's a nice list of movies I've never heard of. Europa Report sounds pretty cool, might watch it actually.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Asheram on March 01, 2015, 06:34:43 am
Lol this movie was so goofy, it was like National Lampoon decided to make a martial arts flick.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Kafein on March 02, 2015, 09:15:02 pm
Argo: Real story of the US embassy in Iran hostage situation and ex-filtration in 79'. Ridiculously good writing in there. Some lines in particular are strokes of genius. Strongly recommend watching in English.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 04, 2015, 10:22:13 am
Argo fuck yourself.
Title: Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
Post by: Asheram on April 08, 2015, 09:32:22 pm
This is the best Taken so far.