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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Realism Discussion => Topic started by: DonNicko on October 06, 2013, 02:13:18 pm

Title: Just one question
Post by: DonNicko on October 06, 2013, 02:13:18 pm
Can daggers swing make any damage to millanese plate?
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 06, 2013, 02:20:10 pm
The answer is yes as far as I observed although the damage is minimal.

However, the main issue at this point is that a dagger is able to hit and stagger heavy and medium armor users both with swings and thrusts.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Latvian on October 06, 2013, 02:53:01 pm
nerff dagger, shit should not even scratch plate armor.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Fredom on October 06, 2013, 06:48:20 pm
I agree. Especially the most OP Rondel Dagger fucks a platearmor, in reality, that wouldn't do any problematic damage. Nerf Daggers!
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Ronin on October 07, 2013, 09:44:38 am
In reality, cut weapons would barely deal any damage to the knight who is wearing a milanese plate.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Latvian on October 07, 2013, 10:01:26 am
we all keep forgeting that crpg is simulator of most unrealistic things
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Nordwolf on October 07, 2013, 04:46:03 pm
You all forget that daggers like rondel are made to stab through holes in plate armors.

Just make it ~7k gold and that's all imo. It doesn't have more performance than most of those 1h weapons.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Penitent on October 07, 2013, 11:05:14 pm
Yes, daggers were using IRL to kill people in plate armor all the time.  Usually they would be wounded or knocked down by conventional weapons, and then a dagger was drawn to finish them off.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 07, 2013, 11:09:41 pm
As some said, daggers were used to kill people in plate.  Swords used in a cutting motion were almost always non-effective unless you got lucky and hit the exact right location where armor was coming together. 

Arrows also didn't do much to plate either.

But you're playing a video game.  If people could walk around in plate and be completely invulnerable to sword cuts and arrow damage, it would be unrealistic.  Because there would be no possible way to account for the lucky/skilled strikes that did  hit a vulnerable chink in the armor or where the armor pieces connect.  We'd also be able to brace pikes, and horses would knock out or break bones if they ran into people (and when the horse died, it's body flying through the air would still crush you).  Also horses likely wouldn't run into a wall, and they would be able to strafe, they wouldn't have the turning radius of a Cadillac. 
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Ronin on October 08, 2013, 12:19:06 pm
By the way, the topic is dagger swings not dagger stabs.

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Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Bjord on October 08, 2013, 12:43:13 pm
Quote from: Ronin on October 08, 2013, 12:19:06 pm
By the way, the topic is dagger swings not dagger stabs.

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Actually, the topic is whatever is being discussed by the majority.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 08, 2013, 01:06:50 pm
Quote from: Ronin on October 07, 2013, 09:44:38 am
In reality, cut weapons would barely deal any damage to the knight who is wearing a milanese plate.

It's not the damage that counts Ronin. It is the hit stagger shit is able to inflict even on heavy armor.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Penitent on October 08, 2013, 05:02:28 pm
Quote from: ASGUARDIAN on October 08, 2013, 01:06:50 pm
It's not the damage that counts Ronin. It is the hit stagger shit is able to inflict even on heavy armor.

Well if this is realism discussion, a 1h sword can totally stun and stagger an opponent wearing plate...especially if you hit the head.  A portion of the blunt trauma would translate through the armor and rattle your cage.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 08, 2013, 05:08:42 pm
Quote from: Bjord on October 08, 2013, 12:43:13 pm
Actually, the topic is whatever is being discussed by the majority.
Nope, the topic is whatever the OP is about, there is a reason everything else is called off topic.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: polkafranzi on October 08, 2013, 05:43:53 pm
Nicko only asks because he's crutching strength and IF and plate since I can remember, often needing 6-7 hits with 10PS to kill, so he doesn't notice the smaller damage weapons hitting him.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: Bjord on October 08, 2013, 07:54:09 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 08, 2013, 05:08:42 pm
Nope, the topic is whatever the OP is about, there is a reason everything else is called off topic.

Ever heard of "thread derailed"? The OP does not always decide what everyone should discuss.

Of course, being clear in the OP does help your topic's life force.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: DonNicko on October 09, 2013, 08:49:27 pm
I startes this topic, because panaromix - uber 1h spammer has killed me in five hits with dagger's swing, not stab. And I have 10 IF, Millanese plate +3 and heavy gauntlets +3, so it is 79 body armor. And I dont know what to say(
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 09, 2013, 09:06:24 pm
I believe the rondel swings use pierce, not cut damage.  So that would explain your dilemma.
Title: Re: Just one question
Post by: DonNicko on October 09, 2013, 09:34:32 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on October 09, 2013, 09:06:24 pm
I believe the rondel swings use pierce, not cut damage.  So that would explain your dilemma.
Dont think so, once dagger's stab took my 70%hp dont know how, maybe inda head(