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Title: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 28, 2013, 11:46:04 am

+2 long espada with 100 speed and i still feel like i swing a lead pipe.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Lemon on September 28, 2013, 03:56:37 pm

Get wpf then.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 28, 2013, 06:59:51 pm

Quote from: Earl_Lemon on September 28, 2013, 03:56:37 pm

Get wpf then.

140 already :[

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: San on September 28, 2013, 07:21:41 pm

Quote from: Nightmare798 on September 19, 2013, 09:34:23 pm

compared to long espada (in reference to spathion), its shit.

*gets long espada*

Quote from: Nightmare798 on September 28, 2013, 11:46:04 am

+2 long espada with 100 speed and i still feel like i swing a lead pipe.

*sigh*

Long espada has pretty average/decent speed. It won't be much faster than many of the other 1hs out there. When I think of 1h speeds, it's easier for me to think of how unwieldy it is, such as how well it feints or how immediate a response I get from releasing the weapon. Long 1hs also appear slower even though they're not (enemies have to be more to the side to hit early sweetspots) and the overheads bounce everywhere. 140 wpf still isn't all too much for a pure build. You might want to get a bit more if you still feel slow.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: MrDeucer on September 28, 2013, 09:14:55 pm

I think it might be you getting anry about how you can't spam...

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Teeth on September 29, 2013, 12:02:29 pm

Long Espada is definitely a very fast weapon, even withing the 1h group. More important than speed rating and wpf is your ability to make the weapon fast. Proper turning into your swings and timing can make you seem a lot faster. In my swashbuckling I would get regular complaints that I was so fast when using a 98 speed NCS and having only 130 wpf. I don't really bother with WM much in my 1h builds, as you are still quite fast if you do it right.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on September 29, 2013, 12:43:40 pm

nono there are false...

admins are making some numbers just for fun, but its actually nonsense

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Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Butan on September 29, 2013, 01:34:09 pm

Quote from: Chris_the_Animal on September 29, 2013, 12:43:40 pm

nono there are false...

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It wouldnt shock me  :lol:

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 29, 2013, 07:49:51 pm

Quote from: san. on September 28, 2013, 07:21:41 pm

*gets long espada*

*sigh*

Long espada has pretty average/decent speed. It won't be much faster than many of the other 1hs out there. When I think of 1h speeds, it's easier for me to think of how unwieldy it is, such as how well it feints or how immediate a response I get from releasing the weapon. Long 1hs also appear slower even though they're not (enemies have to be more to the side to hit early sweetspots) and the overheads bounce everywhere. 140 wpf still isn't all too much for a pure build. You might want to get a bit more if you still feel slow.

i am just at utter disbelief how unwieldy this sword is on +2. it just doesnt feel like 100 speed. that is not right.

does armor has any impact on how fast you swing your weapon? maybe heraldic chain mail is just too heavy to swing this properly...

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 29, 2013, 07:51:39 pm

Quote from: Chris_the_Animal on September 29, 2013, 12:43:40 pm

nono there are false...

admins are making some numbers just for fun, but its actually nonsense

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maybe there are some penalties for lenght or something.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Butan on September 29, 2013, 08:28:40 pm

I know that this can change weapon's reach :

May be obsolete:

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Weapon lengths themselves aren't really comparable between weapon types. Animations add or reduce from the effective length of an attack. So in effect if you for example compare a thrust of a 120 length polearm (Bec de Corbin) and a 120 length twohander (Great Sword) they will NOT effectively reach the same lengths. Due to the way polearm is held polearm is from 15 to 61 units shorter depending on animation. This animation effect on reach is very noticeable especially with one handed weapon stabs. Even a short one handed sword can outrange a twohander or a polearm with a thrust in some cases. It's worth a note that polearms in general have longer options than twohanders to compensate for the shorter reaching animations.

1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80 (This may be slightly wrong with the new stab animation)

2h Polearms
Overhead = -15
Left-to-right = -7
Right-to-left = -2
Thrust = +19

1h Polearms
Thrust = +50

(Source: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9245.0.html)

But not much else (if stats are true).

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Vodner on September 29, 2013, 09:30:30 pm

The longer your weapon is, the larger a penalty you suffer to your movement speed. The long espada is quite long, so the lost movement speed may make your weapon feel slower than it is.

e: Check out WaltF4's post (http://forum.melee.org/beginner%27s-help-and-guides/running-in-crpg/) on the subject for more information.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 29, 2013, 09:43:37 pm

Quote from: Vodner on September 29, 2013, 09:30:30 pm

The longer your weapon is, the larger a penalty you suffer to your movement speed. The long espada is quite long, so the lost movement speed may be affecting your perception of its speed.

yeah well i got espada for its reach and speed.

this is pretty new to me.

Title: Re: are weapon description stats true?
Post by: Phew on October 02, 2013, 05:45:49 pm

100+ length 1h swords have a cumbersome nature that seems to defy stats. They are just clumsy. As soon as you drop down to the shorter tier of swords (Nordic War, Side Sword, Arming Sword, Italian, etc), they seem fast again. It may be all psychological, but the <100 length swords just seem more effective.