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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Mala on May 12, 2011, 08:00:43 pm
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So, with the latest patches my mighty buckler shrank a bit more and gained some weight, but i don´t care about that (for now).
My current problem is the new requirement, it does not fit to the steel shield progression anymore.
Now, you need shield skill 5 and in return you got a shield that offers less protection, less durability and more maintenance costs than the lower tier steel shield.
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It is still CRAZY fast though. With 98 speed rating the only other shield that comes close to same decency is the Knightly Heater Shield, which has half the armour but twice the hitpoints for twice the weight.
I'm yet to see a buckler-fighter die before the shield breaks, unless fouling up, and they usually wade through enemies, leaving a trail of corpses behind.
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The spped does not matter that much, and you still can block (uhh there is another magical force field) faster without a shield.
But this does not change the problem:
-with the plate covered shield
skill 4
resistance 61
hp 178
size 62
speed 75
prize 4156
i still have a bit slower but overall better and cheaper shield, than with the buckler
skill 5
resistance 62
hp 118
size 4
speed 98
prize 6912
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The buckler is basically an auto-block feature for 1H users. Yes, a big shield is overall more useful, but a bucklers lets you duel as fast as without a shield.
Like in real life, on the battlefield you are better off with a proper shield. If you duel, the buckler is better.
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... l, but a bucklers lets you duel as fast as without a shield.
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Thats a lie.
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What exactly gets slower then?
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I understand your complain that it become worst, but this is for balance issues, the buckler still the best.
I use it and I can say, I'm a LOT faster to deliver the blow now, that I weight 3w less.
Its a lot easier to duel.
I would NEVER use a 8w shield like the Plate Covered, weight waaay too much, rather use the Knightly Heater Shield instead (against ranged).
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And the requirement does still not fit. It is the worst but you have to invest more skillpoints than for the second best.
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What are the best shields for you? And why?
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Bucklers deserve to be nerfed to death, period.
I'm sorry, don't use that Mala, it makes you a bad person.
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Why should they be nerfed? They are niche items, they were never overused, and frankly, if you move your feet a little, you can strike past them pretty easily. half a year ago, they deserved a nerf, when they caught arrows way out of the range of the model coverage, but these times are long past...
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Why should they be nerfed? They are niche items, they were never overused, and frankly, if you move your feet a little, you can strike past them pretty easily. half a year ago, they deserved a nerf, when they caught arrows way out of the range of the model coverage, but these times are long past...
agreed.
Reduce the shield skill required (bucklers were civilian shields historically) and increase the speed of the shield.
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Have to say that does look quite unfair. Especially since shieldbreakers eat through it faster as well.
Agreed.
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lol buckler
How can someone say that is OP? I've never seen a buckler and though to myself "oh shit a buckler"
they more are like an easy kill?
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What are the best shields for you? And why?
Currently there are none.
I was looking for a smaller, durable shield.
At first i used the elite cav shield, it looks nice and has a good size, but it hardly last a whole battle, even swords can destroy it.
Then i switched to the steel shield, offers good protection but has a huge block delay, so you need a but more than skill 6.
Later they added the buckler and the archer cries of rage began (yes, i had a high shield skill, so i could catch a lot of arrows, but at the same time nearly to no powerstrike)
Yeah, i could ake the easy way and equip a huscarl, but that one looks butt ugly.
So my current stopgap is the heavy round (as huscarl of the poor, but it is too huges as well) and the plate covered (as steel shield light).
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The Steel Buckler with 3 difficulty was quite nice. It was very hard to brake it with normal weapons but very very easy for every axe-like weapon. Also you had to aim exactly at incoming projectiles to block them because of the 3 width. In exchange every heirloom gave a nice bonus to hp and armor that made even more difference than on other shields. Pre patch I loomed mine because I thought it was not likely to be nerfed (well bad luck for me ^^), but if I were still able to use it noe I would still consider using it, since it's really really fast.
But I would suggest changing one of the bucklers to 3 again with new stats and it definetly needs some balancing compared to the Plate Covered Round Shield which blocks most projectiles, is also nearly unbreakable for normal weapons and quite fast with req. 4.
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These are some slow shields man, I dont like none of em.
I using the knightly heater when I need to catch arrows, and the buckler to duel.
Cant have all, can ya?
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man bucklers were not just a "civilian" shield, they were the shield that was actually in use in battles, melee infantry was not carrying big shields into battle past the roman era(asides from specific pavise spearman or xbowman, there were even more actual skilled melee units that were sword and buckler men)
I mean sadly a buckler breaks in a second in the game, with the new difficulty they should be in 200 hp range, I mean even though its small its all metal, they were effective at blocking big weapons and being able to get in for a kill(like killing pikemen, etc IRL)