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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Cup1d on January 07, 2011, 02:31:58 pm
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Situation
Archer versus plated charger
My character
30 level archer
5 PD
150 wpf in archery
Standart Strongbow (weapon of choice for any HA)
Enemy
Heavy plated charger
armor - 73
charge - 58
Just illustration of the problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuXVRT60RI
As you can see, there was lucky headshot for 5 damage. All other arrows dealt no damage at all.
Goodbye Horse archery. That's why we can see overpopulation of cavalry. Just because there no counter to cavalry.
And this is only horse with 73 armor. Can you imagine a tincan with heirloomed 84 armor?
I like uselessness of weapon. Just don't understand why it cost 6580 gold. But maybe this bow was made by Giotto, or Villard de Honnecourt? Just masterpiece.
Archers - take notice about this. Decreased rate of fire and lack of accuracy is not a main problem of current balance. Now you can make lucky direct hits for no hurt. C'mon, lets adapt. We can make first medieval society of non-resistance to evil. Or we can found medieval Greenpeace.
Interesting balance mates.
Finished, you owe me for advertising.
Urist.... well. I think its beta anyway.
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ya having armored people invincible to arrows is annoying.
I recommend picking up a lance and using that once you have shot all the lightly armored people
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I've been peppering them heavy horses continously. Those were my no1 target. I had no idea that you actually aren't doing any damage :twisted:
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I tried archer in single player and you need some big investment to damage mail+ but it's possible (Could use a little buff maybe but I wouldn't like everyone camping with bows round after round like before)
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Welp, I'd just like to say.. archery is now obsolete. Look at all those xbows, every round lol
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Remember he made the damage type change because of GAME BALANCE, not because of reality factors( yes, I still think it is a little silly). But if he did just lower the pierce damage it would be around 20 dmg on a war bow. that would make it near impossible to oneshot even a peasant wearing a tunic just because of his hp.
The accuracy is a little off, but with the build I'm using now, I can achieve 6pd and 170 wpf by lvl 35. It may take awhile for me to reach 35, but I just love my war bow so much ;)
Also remember that you won't be seeing very many tincans or armored horses because of the upkeep. Yes it sucks that you have to play "rum away from the panzerhorse" sometimes, but I'd rather have that than having to shoot a peasant more than twice.
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Lvl 35 :lol: You do realize nowadays noone will even get to lvl31 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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4 Million xp really isnt that much.
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Welp, I'd just like to say.. archery is now obsolete. Look at all those xbows, every round lol
Means crossbows need a nerf. And they do, particularly the new sniper - it oneshots people far too much, now many people are using worse armour then pre-patch.
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Agreed. And not only that, every ranged class is pretty weak now against horses.
Fact ... I can run around with a warhorse and don't need to worry about ranged 90% of the time.
Archers are weak and will be less and less common, crossbows are unsuited to shoot at fast targets, and throwing weapons are much too slow.
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Agreed. And not only that, every ranged class is pretty weak now against horses.
Fact ... I can run around with a warhorse and don't need to worry about ranged 90% of the time.
Archers are weak and will be less and less common, crossbows are unsuited to shoot at fast targets, and throwing weapons are much too slow.
Horses die pretty fast to javelins and of course throwing lances. :o
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Archery as of right now IMHO:
Shoot speed: Just fine, don't change it.
Accuracy: Just fine, don't change it.
Damage: Just fine against lightly armored targets, Terrible against mid tier armor and up.
Ammo Count: Way too low, if we are to do so little damage, we need way more ammo.
We don't need uber archers we used to have who could headshot people across the map with completely closed reticule. 150 WPF is more than enough.
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***Edited because I made a dumb comment
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***Edited because I made a dumb comment
You just got a +1 in my book for admitting that, whatever it was.
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I made a suggestion and followed with a you guys are all morons for not thinking about it and then realized the way the game is now I was completely wrong making me the moron...
But if I said it right it would have been instead of damage determined by bow make it determined by arrow. So you could have a piercing arrow that does ok damage but you only get 5 in a quiver to handle plate. A regular arrow that does more damage and you get more but it is cut damage and then a blunt arrow that also does limited damage but can cause a knockdown or knock back/stun so you can fire it into a melee group and hopefully hinder the enemy but not completely slaughter your own teammate if needed.
I think making it more on arrow then bow is a cool idea.
But originally I made a statement that made me a moron... so that's all of it explained!
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I made a suggestion and followed with a you guys are all morons for not thinking about it and then realized the way the game is now I was completely wrong making me the moron...
But if I said it right it would have been instead of damage determined by bow make it determined by arrow. So you could have a piercing arrow that does ok damage but you only get 5 in a quiver to handle plate. A regular arrow that does more damage and you get more but it is cut damage and then a blunt arrow that also does limited damage but can cause a knockdown or knock back/stun so you can fire it into a melee group and hopefully hinder the enemy but not completely slaughter your own teammate if needed.
I think making it more on arrow then bow is a cool idea.
But originally I made a statement that made me a moron... so that's all of it explained!
And that is something to be proud of!
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Yeah I left my thesaurus at home.... wait a minute
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lol. Fixing problems always creates more problems it seems.
Sniper/Siege Crossbows have always been OP since you need 0 skill and 0 prof to 1 shot people.
Throwing in my humble opinion is the most overpowered weapon since you can use it point blank in melee or from reasonable range, and it does as much damage as a crossbow.
The arrow idea has potential.. nice one
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Agreed. And not only that, every ranged class is pretty weak now against horses.
Fact ... I can run around with a warhorse and don't need to worry about ranged 90% of the time.
Archers are weak and will be less and less common, crossbows are unsuited to shoot at fast targets, and throwing weapons are much too slow.
this is where you grab a warbow or longbow instead of a khergit bow or strong bow. if your using a strongbow or khergit bow then you shouldnt be able to kill horses easily,(poor HA) because of the speed rating you should be able to kill slow bow users (ie longbow) and crossbowmen easily.
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this is where you grab a warbow or longbow instead of a khergit bow or strong bow. if your using a strongbow or khergit bow then you shouldnt be able to kill horses easily,(poor HA) because of the speed rating you should be able to kill slow bow users (ie longbow) and crossbowmen easily.
WTB Asymmetrical bow.
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I'm sleepy , therefore sorry if i mess things up in my post.
Archers are still good imo. After playing for a while, i just realised that they still dish out decent enough damage in a decent amount of time, from a good distance.
Now, using an argument of " we can't kill a magical creature (and plated chargers will be, if not already, magical creatures, i rarely see one nowadays) so we want pierce damage back" is not right if you ask me.
Pikes, spears , xbows, throwers are the new cav counters and every day i can see them improving in fighting against horses. Archers on the other hand can be a good counter to xbowmen and throwers + they can still kill light horses (and,obviously, regular infantry aswell).
I see almost no heavy cav on the servers nowadays in the first place, so i don't really get what is this all about to be honest. Archery is fine now, other ranged weapons need some slight changes though.
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Hm.... throwers are a counter to archers, are they not?
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Hm.... throwers are a counter to archers, are they not?
At close range maybe ?
I don't think anything is a counter to a good archer at long range (XBows with similar WPF investments get close but unless there's cover to be had, they only get 1 shot).
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At close range maybe ?
I don't think anything is a counter to a good archer at long range (XBows with similar WPF investments get close but unless there's cover to be had, they only get 1 shot).
Exactly
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archers no longer counter cavalry. teams are adapting already and you are seeing more archers with spears and more pikemen. archers are good at taking out many other classes.
they are no longer the solo one man army class. they are a support class as they should be.
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archers no longer counter cavalry. teams are adapting already and you are seeing more archers with spears and more pikemen. archers are good at taking out many other classes.
they are no longer the solo one man army class. they are a support class as they should be.
Actually it's infantry and cavalry that is the support class. :twisted:
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Actually it's infantry and cavalry that is the support class. :twisted:
All classes should support each other actually.