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Title: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Korgoth on August 20, 2013, 02:47:58 am
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Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter, also known as Generation War to the yanks who always seem to rename foreign movie titles. For those who are interested in WW2, esspecially if you are interested in the Germans then his is a great series for you. There's three 90 minute episodes that follow five german friends from '41 to '45.  This series has been named "The German Band of Brothers", It is in German but you can get English subtitles.

I would post a link to download a good quality torrent with English subs but I'm not sure if I'm allowed or not so you'll have to google it yourselves.

Trailer
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2013, 10:47:36 am
Got very good reviews all the way.

Except for some Polish hardliners being butthurt because according to them "the Polish Resistance never ever killed any Jew or left them to die."

From what I understand, it's pretty close to reality and historical "mostly" accurate. I encourage everyone to watch it. I liked it all around very much, especially for the, at times disturbing, shown development of the main characters, one in particular.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Miwiw on August 20, 2013, 02:44:27 pm
Didn't like it...  :P
Maybe English voices are better.. german version was meh
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2013, 04:08:23 pm
Will watch for sure.
Already was on German TV  :P
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Angantyr on August 20, 2013, 04:23:18 pm
Thanks, will check it out, love world war movies from a German perspective.

And what a horrible title translation, you often find that people who do these kinds of things must be idiots.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on August 20, 2013, 06:29:46 pm
5/5 Would watch again.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2013, 07:19:47 pm
Most interesting part of the thing was the transformation the younger brother goes through... I thought that was pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Korgoth on August 20, 2013, 10:20:36 pm
Got very good reviews all the way.

Except for some Polish hardliners being butthurt because according to them "the Polish Resistance never ever killed any Jew or left them to die."

From what I understand, it's pretty close to reality and historical "mostly" accurate. I encourage everyone to watch it. I liked it all around very much, especially for the, at times disturbing, shown development of the main characters, one in particular.

Yeah some Poles and Russians got all pissy because the show represented a lot of Eastern Europe as Anti Semitic.

Also I watched it in German and I thought it was epic. Why you being so mad and downvoting everyone Miwiw?
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Miwiw on August 20, 2013, 11:29:53 pm
They started. :P
I just said my opinion.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Torost on August 21, 2013, 08:12:31 am
I just watched all 3 episodes in a row.

It is a good dramapiece.
I really liked that it is in german,creates the right athmosphere.
(Had to use english subtitles, my german is not the best)

I sort of liked that they toned down the combat, attrocities and general gore.
It is used to drive the story, and at the same time not leaving out or beautifying what really happend.
Those that want to see that part, the "real" Östfront can see other depictions of it.
The main focus here is the human story,capturing the zeitgeist.

Apart from a few silly plotlines, I enjoyed this miniseries.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 21, 2013, 01:38:31 pm
So is it finished?.. 3 episodes?

Will give it try, as it seems to be really good :)

I am really eager to watch the next part, even if some of the events are kind of predictable. Still great to watch.

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P.S.

They started. :P
I just said my opinion.

Well, watching dubbed movies is kind of lame... I shiver in disgust, thinking of the days when i was watching Die Hard and Terminator in Russian. How are you supposed to translate "Hasta La Vista baby", "Yippee ki-yay, motherfucker!" or "I'll be back"?... It is beyond retarded to even try :D That's my opinion anyway...
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Tot. on August 21, 2013, 06:34:12 pm
I remember there was some serious drama in here about this, supposedly they didn't idealize Poles enough what triggered a lot of rage. Potato obsession about nationality ftw.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Christo on August 21, 2013, 07:38:03 pm
Yeah, polish are really like that, not surprising at all.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Uther Pendragon on August 21, 2013, 09:27:54 pm
Poles often deny to acknowledge that we weren't saints during the war and that there was strong antisemitism in Poland pre-war and during it in resistance troops. Not comparable in terms of scale to Germans and for different reasons, but still, it did happen.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Angantyr on August 21, 2013, 10:27:58 pm
Same as most other countries at the time, including the US, where racism was rampant, not only against Jews but against blacks and especially Asians, their enemy in the Pacific. I remember a quote from Patton, talking about how blacks would never be able to learn to drive tanks.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Miwiw on August 21, 2013, 10:40:44 pm
If the US had cared about the jews, they would have joined the war much earlier. =P
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Lange on August 22, 2013, 09:49:51 am
If the US had cared about the jews, they would have joined the war much earlier. =P
Caring about != going to war for. Keep in mind that the true extent of the killings wasn't really known well at this point.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Miwiw on August 22, 2013, 12:25:49 pm
Don't take all comments too seriously though.

Anyway, they could have joined far earlier. At least I guess they knew what the war was about.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Angantyr on August 22, 2013, 05:19:07 pm
To the US, as to all other parties, the war was about power structures, nothing less nothing more. The Yanks joined when they had the most to gain. Anything outside state Realpolitik is just rhetoric with mass mobilization as its goal.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo on August 22, 2013, 11:13:37 pm
Being from the U.S, i've always wanted to watch a good WWII series and/or movie from the Axis perspective (Letters from Iwo Jima is a good example.) Don't get me wrong, I love seeing the good ol' boys in Green, but Germanic history - being of primarily Germanic ancestry myself - and the chocolate chip cookie war machine is simply fascinating. IMO, no one equaled their army quality for the first 2 or 3 years of the war. I'll check this series out for sure.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Moncho on August 22, 2013, 11:42:39 pm
Sounds interesting, will watch in a few days. Hope I remember enough German not to need subtitles.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 23, 2013, 12:32:24 pm
Being from the U.S, i've always wanted to watch a good WWII series and/or movie from the Axis perspective (Letters from Iwo Jima is a good example.) Don't get me wrong, I love seeing the good ol' boys in Green, but Germanic history - being of primarily Germanic ancestry myself - and the chocolate chip cookie war machine is simply fascinating. IMO, no one equaled their army quality for the first 2 or 3 years of the war. I'll check this series out for sure.

An older movie, but of a really good quality, and gives a different perspective on an ordinary German soldier during WW2:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108211/?ref_=sr_1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108211/?ref_=sr_1)

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Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Lange on August 23, 2013, 06:01:48 pm
Don't take all comments too seriously though.

Anyway, they could have joined far earlier. At least I guess they knew what the war was about.
Maybe, yes. Then again, why would they really care? Dying for frenchies or russians isn't really that appealing if they can do it for themselves. The americans gave plenty of material help for the russians and british, however. Again, being sympathetic to someone does not equal giving ones life for him.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Mala on August 24, 2013, 01:55:45 am
... The americans gave plenty of material help for the russians and british, however...

Not gave, it was sold for hard cash.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Lange on August 24, 2013, 10:36:52 am
Not gave, it was sold for hard cash.

Not true.
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A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $639 billion today) worth of supplies were shipped. That represented 17% of the total war expenditures of the U.S.[2] In all, $31.4 billion went to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France, $1.6 billion to China, and smaller sums to other Allies. Reverse Lend-Lease comprised services such as rent on air bases that went to the U.S., and totaled $7.8 billion; of this, $6.8 billion came from the British and the Commonwealth. The terms of the agreement provided that the material was to be used until time for their return or destruction. In practice very little equipment was returned. Supplies that arrived after the termination date were sold to Britain at a large discount for £1.075 billion using long-term loans from the United States. Canada operated a similar program called Mutual Aid that sent a loan of $1 billion and $3.4 billion in supplies and services to Britain and other Allies.[3][4] The United States did not charge for aid supplied under this legislation.

Neither Britain nor the Soviet Union had any cash left by 1941 btw.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Angantyr on August 24, 2013, 01:55:01 pm
The whole idea, also for the Marshall Plan, was to get European economy up and running again (without German monopoly) so as to be an export market for American goods. Everything was also given in dollars, strengthening this currency way beyond its pre-war value.

Political and economic goodwill followed, of course, among other things receiving European nations rewrote their history books to have less of that 'dangerous' nationalism, while 'patriotism' (basically the same thing) grew to ever higher levels across the pond.

Basically, WWII was the best thing that could have happened to US economical and political power.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 26, 2013, 09:16:49 am
Watched all 3 episodes in a row :) And I want more!

Reminded me once more, why i am never going to participate in any wars! Will move to Greenland or some piece of shit island in pacific, and die of hunger, rather than do THAT.
Would only arm myself in case of a personal loss, and only if i already feel dead inside, unable to live normally anyway. Patriotism, nationalism, duty, pride, etc., - it can all kiss my ass. I pity the fool, who can justify 60 million dead people with cheap populist speeches.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Overdriven on August 26, 2013, 08:27:40 pm
Not true.
Neither Britain nor the Soviet Union had any cash left by 1941 btw.

Yeah except Britain only fully finished paying off it's 'debt' to the US in 2006. Which is pretty ridiculous. The US near enough bankrupted some countries with their 'aid' and enjoyed getting fat and rich.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Lange on August 27, 2013, 04:58:55 pm
Yeah except Britain only fully finished paying off it's 'debt' to the US in 2006. Which is pretty ridiculous. The US near enough bankrupted some countries with their 'aid' and enjoyed getting fat and rich.
What bankrupted britain was the war expenditure. And of course, the evil americans demanding at least some money paid back. Reminds me of the germanhate in Europe right now.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 27, 2013, 05:28:32 pm
germanhate in Europe right now.

Someone besides Greece hates Germany?..  :shock:

No colonies, no slaves, only united a 150 years ago, destroyed by 2 wars and separated by a stupid wall - still comes out on top! How can you not respect Germany?..
Have been in Germany two times - once in Bonn and Köln, and once in Hamburg - great country! Although couldn't even buy an u-bahn ticket, since no one speaks English. :)
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Molly on August 27, 2013, 07:42:57 pm
Nah, he's right. Barely anyone official speaks proper English here. You're best bet is probably to ask hip mid-twenty people who look as they might have adopted the American culture all too well... like wearing a cap the wrong way or wearing pants that cling to their kneecaps instead of the hip, making them look like retards not being able to put on a pant the proper way... :wink:
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Panos_ on August 27, 2013, 07:51:08 pm
Yeah except Britain only fully finished paying off it's 'debt' to the US in 2006. Which is pretty ridiculous. The US near enough bankrupted some countries with their 'aid' and enjoyed getting fat and rich.

oh, is that so??

Greece paid the last payment to the british bank  in 2001 , of loans that were given to Greece in 1821,  so please spare us about how the US exploited you.



oh and BTW, quit talking bullshit armpit, Greeks do not hate Germans, they hate Merkel and her politic towards Greece, I like being around Germans, I see them way to often roaming the streets of Athens, and I must say they are always friendly to talk to.

Just yesterday evening I spoke with my best bud to two germans from Frankfurt under Akropolis, they bought us beers and we spoke for like an hour and we exchanged opinions on different matters.

Stop eating what the media feeds you, for real.
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 28, 2013, 12:31:52 am

oh and BTW, quit talking bullshit armpit, Greeks do not hate Germans, they hate Merkel and her politic towards Greece, I like being around Germans, I see them way to often roaming the streets of Athens, and I must say they are always friendly to talk to.

Just yesterday evening I spoke with my best bud to two germans from Frankfurt under Akropolis, they bought us beers and we spoke for like an hour and we exchanged opinions on different matters.

Stop eating what the media feeds you, for real.

That was actually based on what i read on this forum :) heated discussions etc.
So I took a liberty of presuming it was a general attitude towards Germany in Greece. Well, than it seems that everyone is cool with Germany after all :D
Title: Re: Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter
Post by: Overdriven on August 28, 2013, 03:21:11 pm
oh, is that so??

Greece paid the last payment to the british bank  in 2001 , of loans that were given to Greece in 1821,  so please spare us about how the US exploited you.

Well we are all in the same boat  :)