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Title: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: IRunUDie on August 12, 2013, 01:40:17 pm
I know people hate archers, But why have they been nerfed soo much! I have now just noticed after upgrading my bow to MW that it dosnt make a fucking differnce from 2nd rank to 3rd rank! same stats! now what the fuck kind of shit is that?. not only is it nerfed so u cant draw bow while jumping, but u draw your bow slower and also cant shoot as fast or as much dmg!
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Strudog on August 12, 2013, 01:46:36 pm
Once again bows were buffed especially the non loomed ones, a couple of patches ago, bows are fine and they deserved that buff, i believe range in in a perfectly place right now
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: IRunUDie on August 12, 2013, 01:50:21 pm
Well, My bow 2nd rank was 50 speed, now its masterwork and guess what 50 speed - upgrading from 2nd rank to 3rd rank gives you no bonus! why the fuck is it even possibly to heirloom your bow to 3rd rank if it dont do anything? atleasst add 1 point for dmg or somthing.
i just sold my MW nodachi to MW this bow now i want to quit the game i feel cheated by chadz the evil
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: IRunUDie on August 12, 2013, 02:05:01 pm
I see everyone - on my post, but really. I remember how bows used to be 2 years ago! And now you say they r  buffed! what the fuck, Look at lanced cavarly going around getting scores of 20-2 because they are so OP, bows are shit now.. Bonus for heirlooming bow is terrible compared to all other items, Nerfed bows so u cant jump and aim, nerfed bows damage in genreal, nerfed speed of loading bow, Archers may be easy to use but it still hard to judge the movement on a random target when they r trying to dodge as compared to cav who just run up behind u and poke you with their long sticks - kill you with one hit. but it takes 5 arrows with 10 pd and masterwork bodkin arrows to kill a tank.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Tydeus on August 12, 2013, 02:14:54 pm
Bows are buffed, and stop underestimating the accuracy stat.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on August 12, 2013, 02:15:47 pm
lanced cav OP

 :lol:
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Sharpe on August 12, 2013, 02:40:41 pm
it takes 5 arrows with 10 pd and masterwork bodkin arrows to kill a tank. Nerfed bows so u cant jump and aim

I'm finding it easy to kill tanks with 3-4 arrows 6 pd, and Sharp Bodkins.

Also their is a difference between draw speed of +2 and +3 Bows. I was in an archer fight of sorts and the person was outdrawing me by a half a second to a second. He had a masterwork longbow,and I only had  a +2 longbow.

Realistically I don't think archers were like "Oh shit, a 2h plate crutching mauler! Time to kite" and then as they were running jump and fire their bow, and magically get an instant headshot. But this is cRPG so fuck realism.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Vermilion on August 12, 2013, 03:46:37 pm
Well, My bow 2nd rank was 50 speed, now its masterwork and guess what 50 speed - upgrading from 2nd rank to 3rd rank gives you no bonus! why the fuck is it even possibly to heirloom your bow to 3rd rank if it dont do anything? atleasst add 1 point for dmg or somthing.
i just sold my MW nodachi to MW this bow now i want to quit the game i feel cheated by chadz the evil

Here's a tip.. Before looming anything go to the shop, select your item and click on ranks. Hover your mouse over each stat and it will show you it's value (so when it says +2 on nomad bow it comes up as 50).

If you had done this you would have seen that looming to rank +3 only increase accuracy by +1

See here - http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=bow#!?page=itemrank&id=18,18

I know people hate archers, But why have they been nerfed soo much!

Archery is nurfed compared to native, but it's worth reading through previous patches.

In a recent patch unloomed bows/arrows got buffed. The affect of looming got nurfed. So all archers with loomed bows and arrows got a bit screwed over as someone with a no loomed bow and arrows can deal a similar amount of damage at a similar rate.

This made archery more noob friendly making the difference between a great archer and a shit archer pure skill rather than loom level.


Have a read through the changes in these -
http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/0-3-0-1/
http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/0-3-0-2/

As you have loomed your bow after the patches, I think it's a bit late to be complaining you've been "cheated by chadz the evil"  :D
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: IRunUDie on August 12, 2013, 03:58:04 pm
Meh, I've only been back 3 months, I used to play 2 years ago at the start of CRPG, Those wear fun days. I know about checking the stats of heirloomed ranks in the shops but I dont see how 1 accuracy is really fair on a +3 bow as to apposed to my +3 Nodachi with +3 cut +2 speed +2 something else.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: IRunUDie on August 12, 2013, 04:36:19 pm
I donĀ“t see how it is fair that archers can shoot me from 50 metres away and kill me with 2-4 arrows without a chance for me to do anything against it  :|

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Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: dreadnok on August 12, 2013, 04:54:58 pm
The ranged is out of hand now. Headshotted at the beginning of the round on a hill with an archer at his spawn and on lower ground is fucking goofy. Then you get the Arb  going thru a masterpiece board shield from a mile away.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Sharpe on August 12, 2013, 05:04:56 pm
I mean I'm an archer, and I know something is wrong when I can peekabo on a ladder in siege, and get multiple headshots. Or when my Longbow is drawing faster then a Tatar bow.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Sagar on August 12, 2013, 05:33:17 pm
Last days headshots are very common. Maybe hotboxes are changed.
Not only for archery and xbows, also throwers get easy headshots too.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Riddaren on August 12, 2013, 07:22:59 pm
I see everyone - on my post, but really. I remember how bows used to be 2 years ago! And now you say they r  buffed! what the fuck, Look at lanced cavarly going around getting scores of 20-2 because they are so OP, bows are shit now.. Bonus for heirlooming bow is terrible compared to all other items, Nerfed bows so u cant jump and aim, nerfed bows damage in genreal, nerfed speed of loading bow, Archers may be easy to use but it still hard to judge the movement on a random target when they r trying to dodge as compared to cav who just run up behind u and poke you with their long sticks - kill you with one hit. but it takes 5 arrows with 10 pd and masterwork bodkin arrows to kill a tank.

Guess why I play lancer? :wink:
You don't need to do anything right. It takes no more skill than presseing W and left mouse button.
So if you want to roll X5 and top scoreboard each round, why not just switch to lancer? No one is stopping you.

28-0 with zero skill:
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Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: IRunUDie on August 12, 2013, 08:23:27 pm
Guess why I play lancer? :wink:
You don't need to do anything right. It takes no more skill than presseing W and left mouse button.
So if you want to roll X5 and top scoreboard each round, why not just switch to lancer? No one is stopping you.

28-0 with zero skill:
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My point precicly NERF CAVS! every other class has been nerfed archers have been nerfed into the floor, cav should be nerfed half damage.! =D
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Sharpe on August 12, 2013, 08:32:25 pm
My point precicly NERF CAVS! every other class has been nerfed archers have been nerfed into the floor, cav should be nerfed half damage.! =D

But archers haven't been nerfed into the floor, if anything you're complaining about the inability to wear plate,  use a longbow+ 2 packs of bodkins and a flamberge like back in the good ole days.

Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Gurnisson on August 12, 2013, 11:18:47 pm
Lance cav is garbage compared to what it was. It's not hard to top the scoreboards still, but it's harder than a lot of other classes (shielder, polearm, 2h, 2h cav, HA, 1h cav at least)

Also, bows were buffed last patch, not nerfed. I play archer once every blue moon and topping the scorebaord with scoring lots of kills is not hard.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:12 pm
ok i will write this again...

BOWS ARE NOW STRONGER THAN EVER, THEY HAVE BEEN BUFFED THREE PATCHES AGO AND ARE NOW PERFECTLY VIABLE WEAPONS UNLESS YOU ARE THAT DUMBASS THAT SHOOTS GUARDING SHIELDERS AND THEN CRIES ABOUT FORCEFIELD AND ARROWS NOT DAMAGING THE SHIELD!!!

LEARN TO SHOOT...

sorry for all caps but i am sick of those guys crying over and over because they are dumbfucks and cant use their weapons.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 13, 2013, 09:44:26 pm
Lance cav is garbage compared to what it was. It's not hard to top the scoreboards still, but it's harder than a lot of other classes (shielder, polearm, 2h, 2h cav, HA, 1h cav at least)

Also, bows were buffed last patch, not nerfed. I play archer once every blue moon and topping the scorebaord with scoring lots of kills is not hard.
only think i agree about is fixing that strange lance glitching arm movement when you couch it, it drives me insane to have perfect lock on an archer, only to fail to nail that fker because my dumbass-herp-derp lancer moved his arm completelly off, without me actually moving it.

edit: double post, sorry...
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Adamar on August 13, 2013, 09:56:49 pm
I find it distastefull that the nerf roller coaster of archery in Crpg can be excused by a recent minor buff to low class bows. As if the class is suddenly out of the shit bag. What's wrong with you people? Are you that manipulateable?
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Bulzur on August 13, 2013, 10:19:08 pm
ok i will write this again...

BOWS ARE NOW STRONGER THAN EVER, THEY HAVE BEEN BUFFED THREE PATCHES AGO AND ARE NOW PERFECTLY VIABLE WEAPONS UNLESS YOU ARE THAT DUMBASS THAT SHOOTS GUARDING SHIELDERS AND THEN CRIES ABOUT FORCEFIELD AND ARROWS NOT DAMAGING THE SHIELD!!!

LEARN TO SHOOT...

sorry for all caps but i am sick of those guys crying over and over because they are dumbfucks and cant use their weapons.

 :lol:

I guess this "ever" is related to your own existence, counted in days ?
May i refer you to this little graphic, pretty easy to understand : 

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Archery is still decently usefull. Still find xbowers more viable though, since most maps have great cover.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 14, 2013, 12:32:36 am
:lol:

I guess this "ever" is related to your own existence, counted in days ?
May i refer you to this little graphic, pretty easy to understand : 

Archery is still decently usefull. Still find xbowers more viable though, since most maps have great cover.
i find this thing hard to believe, there is no definition of ranged power anywhere. post a link to the thread you took this from, would ya?
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Rumblood on August 14, 2013, 12:56:43 am
i find this thing hard to believe, there is no definition of ranged power anywhere. post a link to the thread you took this from, would ya?

Click on the quote.

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Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 14, 2013, 01:04:31 am
so there is a nice little red line graph without any explanation of wtf is ranged power, which is supposed to prove archers are still weaker than before with absolutely no info backup?

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Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Rumblood on August 14, 2013, 03:30:51 am
so there is a nice little red line graph without any explanation of wtf is ranged power, which is supposed to prove archers are still weaker than before with absolutely no info backup?

When God tells you something is true, just bow the fuck down and say thank you lord! Did you not bother looking at who was quoted?

Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Bulzur on August 14, 2013, 08:25:19 pm
i find this thing hard to believe, there is no definition of ranged power anywhere. post a link to the thread you took this from, would ya?

Alas, it seems we don't keep track of "HOW" things were.
I can list a few elements though :

In old days :
-There was no wpf reduction from Armor Weight. (hello tincan archers)
-There was no slot limitation. (hello LongBow + 2 bodkin + Longsword)
-Bows had better accuracy. (hello easy headshots)
-There was something admirable called "jumpshot".
-Arrows and bows weighted less, so kiting was permanent.
-Some lads brought ladders in BATTLE, allowing range something terrible, called "roofcamping".
-Armor was "very" expensive, but there was no upkeep. Most people used low to medium armor. Archers were happy.
-Horses were also expensive, and it was quite rare seeing good dedicated cav. Archers were happy.


Put all thoses elements together, add some "renowned" archers, like Birdman or Chimp on EU, 3 famous DRZ at least (Kesh is still playing ? Haven't been on NA for a looong time), and see that those were definitely the age of archery.



As for the quote, it was made by dear cmp. A developper, and in no way an archer lobbyist. His posts hold truth. Always.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 14, 2013, 08:47:31 pm
When God tells you something is true, just bow the fuck down and say thank you lord! Did you not bother looking at who was quoted?
gods can suck my dick, there is no such thing as god, and now every fucking christian on this site may come down on me and spread their religious nonsense as much as they want, i will have none of it.

now with this aside the fact cmp posted this doesnt mean it definitely has to be truth and that he may not be mistaken, after all he too is human [unless there is some really weird shit going around there]. and once again, there is NO info on what ranged power is measured in and what the hell it actually is. and yes i did bother to read the page it was posted on, infact i readed through every single bit of text, yet i found no info about this.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 14, 2013, 08:52:00 pm
Alas, it seems we don't keep track of "HOW" things were.
I can list a few elements though :

In old days :
-There was no wpf reduction from Armor Weight. (hello tincan archers)
-There was no slot limitation. (hello LongBow + 2 bodkin + Longsword)
-Bows had better accuracy. (hello easy headshots)
-There was something admirable called "jumpshot".
-Arrows and bows weighted less, so kiting was permanent.
-Some lads brought ladders in BATTLE, allowing range something terrible, called "roofcamping".
-Armor was "very" expensive, but there was no upkeep. Most people used low to medium armor. Archers were happy.
-Horses were also expensive, and it was quite rare seeing good dedicated cav. Archers were happy.


Put all thoses elements together, add some "renowned" archers, like Birdman or Chimp on EU, 3 famous DRZ at least (Kesh is still playing ? Haven't been on NA for a looong time), and see that those were definitely the age of archery.



As for the quote, it was made by dear cmp. A developper, and in no way an archer lobbyist. His posts hold truth. Always.
now this is what i was looking for, a proof and a thorought info on what ranged power is and in what is it measured.
if this was posted earlier no shit would hit the fan and it would settle in a friendly manner.

thank ye kind ser, your explanation is sufficent enough for me to see i was wrong.

on topic:
LEARN TO SHOOT ARCHERS AND STOP CRYING YOUR WEAPONS ARE NOW PERFECTLY FINE AND BALANCED. I WENT AN ARCHER YESTERDAY ON 22th LEVEL AND SCORED 11/6 AND THAT WAS ONLY BECAUSE I WAS STUPID TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET MYSELF KILLED.

tl:dr
thanks for info, l2aim
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: XyNox on August 14, 2013, 09:33:33 pm
gods can suck my dick, there is no such thing as god, and now every fucking christian on this site may come down on me and spread their religious nonsense as much as they want, i will have none of it.

now with this aside the fact cmp posted this doesnt mean it definitely has to be truth and that he may not be mistaken, after all he too is human [unless there is some really weird shit going around there]. and once again, there is NO info on what ranged power is measured in and what the hell it actually is. and yes i did bother to read the page it was posted on, infact i readed through every single bit of text, yet i found no info about this.

Nightmare ... everytime I am forced to glance over one of your posts, I feel an almost uncontrollable urge to vomit, no matter what subject you are adressing.

There appears to be a lot of inconsistency in your general thought processing and a lot of emotional imbalance, which does not seem to have been coped with yet. If it helps, you can PM me about what is depressing you but please refrain from abusing the forum for your personal mental health care purposes.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 15, 2013, 05:30:47 pm
Nightmare ... everytime I am forced to glance over one of your posts, I feel an almost uncontrollable urge to vomit, no matter what subject you are adressing.

There appears to be a lot of inconsistency in your general thought processing and a lot of emotional imbalance, which does not seem to have been coped with yet. If it helps, you can PM me about what is depressing you but please refrain from abusing the forum for your personal mental health care purposes.

nothing is depressing me aside from a fact that some random guy on internet tells me that a game developer is infailible god, that can never be wrong.
and about those comments on my mental health... go stuff them.
Title: Re: So! Bows are nerfed too?
Post by: Rumblood on August 15, 2013, 06:29:01 pm
nothing is depressing me aside from a fact that some random guy on internet tells me that a game developer is infailible god, that can never be wrong.
and about those comments on my mental health... go stuff them.

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