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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: hellowrold on May 11, 2011, 02:34:53 am
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lljk_hellowrold to goretooth
Thou art a turkish imp, the damned devil's brother and friend, and a secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight art thou that cannot slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou son of a bitch wilt not ever make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.
Thou art the Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, Armenian pig, Podolian villain, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, a fool before our God, a grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!
So the goons declare, you lowlife. Thou wilt not even be herding pubbie pigs. Now we shall conclude, for we don't know the date and don't have a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year in the book, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!
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"Hey look I'm Goretooth and I'm permabanning every goon in existence merely for existing"
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Stop using teamwork goons!
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Apparently it's griefing to win.
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Look at us, look at what AMERICA has become!
Obama's United States 2011.
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this is also you goretooth (if you were devilizer)
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For a actual, you know, basis on this sort of thing;
Goons were playing on NA_Battle, goons decided to use stratagems. In this case we had out 20 some odd people sit up various defendable positions; A hill top or a tower or such. All in all, not exactly something new - ATS and Hospitalers (Hospitlers? Hm. Details.) among others have done it several times in the past. Of course, this was taken as being camping by the pubbies; "stop going on the hill bundle of sticks" and such colorful language.
I responded quite kindly; "boohoo goons are defending like ATS has in the past" (Or something to that effect, maybe not word for word.) Moments after I was muted, something I didn't think I deserved especially with the mudslinging, and then I was banned!
A perma bann, no less!
And soon after that everyone was being banned! E-gads!
Now back to your thread with goons being retarded and not helping.
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Now back to your thread with goons being retarded.
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Let's just pretend it's still 2005 where goons are slightly relevant. NEDM etc
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For a actual, you know, basis on this sort of thing;
Goons were playing on NA_Battle, goons decided to use stratagems grief. In this case we had out 20 some odd people sit up various defendable positionsunreachable and/or areas far away from combat; A hill top or a tower or such. All in all, not exactly something new - ATS and Hospitalers (Hospitlers? Hm. Details.) among others have done it several times in the past. Of course, this was taken as being camping by the pubbies; "stop going on the hill bundle of sticks" and such colorful language.
I responded quite kindly; "boohoo goons are defending like ATS has in the past" (Or something to that effect, maybe not word for word.) Moments after I was muted, something I didn't think I deserved especially with the mudslinging, and then I was banned!
A perma bann, no less!
And soon after that everyone was being banned! E-gads!
Now back to your thread with goons being retarded and not helping.
Fixed for a more accurate view of the real situation. There were multiple admins present who can attest to the full situation.
*Edit - this was in the NA 100 man server, not the 80 or Siege.
This scenario went on for many rounds causing draws. This was, in my eyes, nothing more than intentional mass leeching, griefing, and forcing rounds to a draw.
During this time there were multiple LLJK members instigating in chat. There were also a few using construction sites and healing tents. Further, there were also members abusing the glitch to create multiple siege shields and ladders to spam them in some of their camping locations. All in all it was a huge griefing fest that caused a lot of frustration for at least the 30 minutes I was in the server, if not longer. Once any action was taken, there was an uproar from a few in the chat saying how it was a valid tactic like other clans use, etc, etc... just as claimed here... when in fact, what was going on was absolutely nothing like what any clans have done in the past for "camping" or attempting a form of strategy. It was merely a form of trolling and griefing.
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I dont' understand what is being requested here...........Please clarify and be objective....leave out the needless shit, give me the facts and what it is you want.
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this is also you goretooth (if you were devilizer)
I do however have to say this picture is hilarious :)
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Fixed for a more accurate view of the real situation. There were multiple admins present who can attest to the full situation.
*Edit - this was in the NA 100 man server, not the 80 or Siege.
This scenario went on for many rounds causing draws. This was, in my eyes, nothing more than intentional mass leeching, griefing, and forcing rounds to a draw.
During this time there were multiple LLJK members instigating in chat. There were also a few using construction sites and healing tents. Further, there were also members one guy abusing the glitch to create multiple siege shields and ladders to spam them in some of their camping locations. All in all it was a huge griefing fest that caused a lot of frustration for at least the 30 minutes I was in the server, if not longer. Once any action was taken, there was an uproar from a few in the chat saying how it was a valid tactic like other clans use, etc, etc... just as claimed here... when in fact, what was going on was absolutely nothing like what any clans have done in the past for "camping" or attempting a form of strategy. It was merely a form of trolling and griefing.
First of all, the one guy who abused the glitch for the siege shields was temporarily banned, and rightly so.
But since when is using healing tents and constructions sites, things that chadz put in the game, a bad thing?
Secondly, no areas occupied were unreachable in any way, seeing how they were filled by about 20+ LLJK members. Apparently using ladders for their intended purpose is not allowed, you might as well ban bec de corbins with that logic.
After the map switched and a group of LLJK decided to form a shield wall covering the entrance to a tower, with some archers and crossbowmen in the back, with some covering fire. Apparently defending an area and winning is totally illegitimate.
To be fair, some of the chat spam was a little unnecessary, but when the mass-bannings occurred, 98% of the members were breaking absolutely no rules
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I dont' understand what is being requested here...........Please clarify and be objective....leave out the needless shit, give me the facts and what it is you want.
There are two issues which my Goon brethern are complaining about in a not so eloquent manner.
1] The following members were banned in some form or other by a combination of Mods in a course of 2 maps that they feel were unjust.
2] The Admin abuse by Goretooth_ATS that relates back to issues with the two maps.
The individual Goons that were banned will need to speak up for themselves as I can't remember who got banned.
The sequence of events to the best of my memory:
- I joined in on the 2nd round of the first of the two maps in question. I died out in the village while a large group of Goons and a few public players huddled around the boat until a draw.
- 3rd Round - Goons and some public players again gathered around the boat until the Hodpitilar(sp?) admin was complaining that we were stalling. There was a mass Goon wave that crashed onto land and won the round.
- 4th Round - Goons decided to use the tower in the map which is accessed by a bridge to create a choke point. Again. the admin began complaining that we were stalling. Someone began spawning ladders inside and was banned promptly and justly. Ended in a Draw.
- 5th Round - Goons used the tower again with no ladders again, and again we were accused of stalling. Ended in a draw.
(It should be pointed out both sides were engaging in heavy trash talk including the admins. The map we were playing on at the time was favorable to cav and since many of our players are new and lack cavalry, we used what we could to make the ground neutral. The next map was even more favorable to cavalry than the previous.)
- 1st Round - Nothing really to note, the non Goon side won.
- 2nd Round - We decided to use a large hill to try and neutralize the overabundance of cavalry the enemy team had, and we immediately began to be accused of stalling. Eventually the enemy team won again.
- 3rd Round - This team we used a small tower to create a choke point and again were accused of stalling. The round was close and the enemy team won.
- 4th Round - We began to move back to the small tower, which is when the bans started in mass. Once a third goon was banned, who was not even on our team for any of the the previous three rounds of this map, we all bailed as it became clear, based on the acts of Goretooth_ATS and the comments made by the admin Hospitilar, that all LLJK members were being targeted for bans whether deserving or not.
You will have to go back through the logs to see who was saying what or spamming what, but neither side can claim to be innocent in the trash talking area. One goon was banned for pointing out Goretooth_ATS himself uses many of the tactics were used by himself and his teams in other matches. The whole claim of stalling/leeching conviently comes into play when we used the terrain to make the enemy teams come to us instead of playing by their rules in the open field where they had such a huge advantage.
This was all based on what I observed and can remember.
LLJK_Rikthorrr
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What the fuck, GORETOOTH isn't an admin
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What the fuck, GORETOOTH isn't an admin
actually i heard he is, he pays for most of the server, i believe, he just promised not to use it, because he was asked to step down from his adminship i guess you'd call it
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What the fuck, GORETOOTH isn't an admin
Yes, thats what Ive heard too.
Nah, this is just something the LLJKs making up, non-admins cant ban :)
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Yes, thats what Ive heard too.
Nah, this is just something the LLJKs making up, non-admins cant ban :)
i found out he got his admin back after he kicked me while i was fighting an enemy as the last one on my team with 3 minutes left for "stalling"
told me he stepped down then stepped back up
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Yes, thats what Ive heard too.
Nah, this is just something the LLJKs making up, non-admins cant ban :)
Lilith you're such a troll ... :P
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I dont' understand what is being requested here...........Please clarify and be objective....leave out the needless shit, give me the facts and what it is you want.
Lord Nindur, I will stand witness to these events from a spectators point of view. But some of these guys were banned for unjust causes such as carrying the LLJK tag.
What LLJK_Rikthorrr has told you is the truth actually. And based on the rules and what I have witnessed they did nothing particularly wrong except one occasion.
Unreachable areas include many things, rooftops, certain spawn areas, some towers, etc. The official ATS rule is that you may stay in an unreachable area until the enemy has killed any teammates that they can reach. Once all your teammates that can be reached are dead you must immediately and with extreme haste allow your enemy to engage you. Failure to do so will be punished immediately and without explanation. Whoever destroys the ladder is irrelevant, once the ladder is destroyed the player who is in the unreachable area Must come down! Keep in mind, you have no right to be in an unreachable area and the map was not intended for you to be there, we don't mind you being there but when your time comes, go fight!
The delaying of rounds makes everyone upset and you should try to avoid it. The official ATS policy is that you must actively engage your enemy at all times. It is acceptable for characters to seek strategic position by falling back - but not running away to draw out the round.
- When I came on I followed the LLJK people to a boat in the middle of the lake and we purposely added 2 ladders but those ladders broke so we abandoned ship and went to the tower to create a choke point but was reachable via 2 entrances (1 in the basement and 1 in the center of the tower) and some of us, geared people, defended the main entrance while all the newbies and archers were up top . Now the other team hadmore people 20:15 people, esp geared Hospitalars with cav and they had shields!, to come at us but they all stayed in hiding only a few came so that was a draw
- Next round, this was the one that was a bit bad, after I died I spectated the battle at the tower and one of the LLJK guys exploited the siege equipment 4 siege shields were built at the entrance to the top of the tower and ladders spewing everywhere. I think thats what got people pissed because they "camped" but I'll get with camping later. the match ended with a draw
- The new map was Cav favored, hands down, the first round was won in minutes. When I got switched to the LLJK side they were smart enough to use the map to there advantage, they went up the hill. And a lot of people were complaining that they were delaying the map which Idk why people are complaining because some of us got a x2 multiplier so we are getting income and the LLJK guys were fighting so its a win/win situation
- next round the LLJK guys started camping a tower; which in my memory Nindur, me, you, the Hospitalars, and some pubbies camped a house you went off and died but the whole team camped a house because the CAV was unbearable, actually now that I think about it it was against the LLJK guys HA! Anyways more people started accusing the LLJK guys again for stalling which they weren't, Trust me the cav during that map was ridiculous the enemy had 4-5 and we had 2 but they had more experienced players and we, including, I are relatively new. but when the opposing team attacked all the LLJK people died.
- Now the part when the banning happen, LLJK started using the tower again then Goretooth_ATS banned a handful of them untill all the LLJK people left. Now according to what I've read, trash talk was being engaged between the LLJK members and the Hospitalar clan then Goretooth started banning.
Basically I think Goretooth found the LLJK people annoying but when I played with them it was kinda fun. Somewhat like a 300 type of play hahaha. i just think the banning was for unjust causes and I think the only reason people were complaining that they were leeching/delaying whatever were just impatient and just didn't want to wait for a terrible team to die.. hahaha no offense LLJK but you guys need better gear I was tearing you guys up like paper during the first round of the new map. :D
Anyways Nindur I know your judgement is more keen than the other admins but I think these guys need at least a temp ban because the battle server was entertaining when they were on.
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I dont' understand what is being requested here...........Please clarify and be objective....leave out the needless shit, give me the facts and what it is you want.
In short; Unbanning of the entire LLJK community.
Basically what has transpired is that behind the scenes people who happened to pay for the server were tired of "LLJK's antics", even though these antics were largely done by only a tiny portion. The entire LLJK group has been painted with this even though the vast majority don't deserve it - Hell, in the time we were banned and the supposed reason several members weren't even on the team. Basically everyone with a LLJK tag has been banned.
Now, picture this; ATS_Discofreak spams chat and kicks people off a boat. Admins, obviously, dislike it. He does it often, manages to get around bans and what not, maybe has a friend or two to join. So the admins ban all of ATS from the server. Welp.
There are several bad eggs in the cast and crew, obviously. One might say that a lot of the bans seem to be on LLJKs, though I'd counter that with the fact we have a sizeable portion of the playerbase... More people to do that sort of thing.
LLJK isn't a clan, besides. It's a community. The only thing a person has to join is give the sacred :10bux: and pop in. There is no other requirements, not qualifications or something.
TL;DR is not all of LLJK is at fault, you banned 50+ people for less then ten being shit.
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Ok reading through the logs and talking to people present at the time and reading what has been posted here........I have this to say on a few things....
1. THis happened on the 100 Hospitallar server, So this is the wrong section of the forums....not a big deal I am still an admin there but I don't have final say on any of this.
2. The goons have been given their own server in which they can play with any antics they please as a result of being removed for the 100 NA server only (still able to play on siege, dtv, 80)
3. Goretooth acted on direction from Devilize (the server owner), so your issue is with Devilize not goretooth.
I do not have firsthand knowledge of this incident and from what I hear the owner of the server, devilize, will not be unbanning any LLJK members any time soon, there is nothing I can do about this.
You are still welcome to play on the Other NA servers and the New Borderland server.
-Nindurr
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Ok reading through the logs and talking to people present at the time and reading what has been posted here........I have this to say on a few things....
1. THis happened on the 100 Hospitallar server, So this is the wrong section of the forums....not a big deal I am still an admin there but I don't have final say on any of this.
2. The goons have been given their own server in which they can play with any antics they please as a result of being removed for the 100 NA server only (still able to play on siege, dtv, 80)
3. Goretooth acted on direction from Devilize (the server owner), so your issue is with Devilize not goretooth.
I do not have firsthand knowledge of this incident and from what I hear the owner of the server, devilize, will not be unbanning any LLJK members any time soon, there is nothing I can do about this.
You are still welcome to play on the Other NA servers and the New Borderland server.
-Nindurr
Well not really considering he banned me because after he complained we were delaying I told him he did it all the time (which he does). Goretooth is just a big fat manbaby. Babby man extreme a++.
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Should we be posting individual unban requests? I mean, I know everyone with an LLJK tag was treated exactly the same regardless of what they were doing, so maybe one thread is enough. I have read the rules, and I would like to know what rules I personally broke to warrant a ban.
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Im surprised Devilize would order such a mass banning, Ban the assholes and ONLY the assholes, plain and simple
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Jesus christ how many times will this keep happening? I wish someone would pay just to get Goretooth off admin for good.
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This thread is about the ban that happened .. nothing more.
So please TheDashingRogue, if you didn't witness what happen, stay off this thread.
If you did, stick to what you see , we really dont need your opinion.
AFAIK, LLJK can be off the other side of the map I don't care, we'll chase them , if it's what they want, but from what I heard, there were many draws, and if they are always caused by the same people ,then it gets problematic. When an admin try to do his job, and you give him attitude or don't want to follow his orders/warnings based on his judgment, then I doubt you deserve the right to play on this server... but then again, it's just a general statement, I wasn't there.
So anyone who wasn't there .. keep your opinions for yourself.
Thank you
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Please leave your fortified position in an orderly fashion so we can kill you. Thank you for your cooperation. Failure to cooperate and allow us to win will result in the fullest punishment that the rules allow.
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So please TheDashingRogue, if you didn't witness what happen, stay off this thread.
I wasn't there.
So anyone who wasn't there .. keep your opinions for yourself.
Thank you
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For the record, goretooth did not do the majority of the banning. Like I said previously it came directly from the top to remove LLJK in its entirety from the 100 Hospitallar server. It had nothing to do with ATS. My advice would be to drop the issue and seek individual unban requests when things cool down.
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LLJK isn't a clan, besides. It's a community. The only thing a person has to join is give the sacred :10bux: and pop in. There is no other requirements, not qualifications or something.
TL;DR is not all of LLJK is at fault, you banned 50+ people for less then ten being shit.
We are a community, remember that when you type out :words:, on a side note he's right.
I was banned for exploiting, by spamming Siege Shields in a corridor. It was justified, a temp. ban was issued, very just, very reasonable.
What happened next was not at all reasonable, we're a fine bunch of people, but if you're going to prod us, we will prod back. The end result of this prodding back and forth ended up in Peppovitch crying with her cat meowing for death in the background as she wailed at us in his TeamSpeak, while a large amount of LLJK who were not affiliated with these actions (Who just jumped in, or had no idea what the fuck was going on) were banned, with no explanation given.
Now let's play the justification game, some of those bans were justified, some were not, someone not in LLJK is at fault here.
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Lockt
I'm admin on 100 and needed to get involved to stop people who don't belong here to comment without a reason ... just like your post actually ... I'm sure you have better things to do.
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For the record, goretooth did not do the majority of the banning. Like I said previously it came directly from the top to remove LLJK in its entirety from the 100 Hospitallar server. It had nothing to do with ATS. My advice would be to drop the issue and seek individual unban requests when things cool down.
How as mods can you excuse the clear abuse of power that you are admitting they did? Don't like a clan because they won't stand idly by to get slaughtered, ban them all WHETHER THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG OR NOT.
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This is the third time I will say this...and I direct this at the previous poster.......The 100 Slot NA server is INDEPENDENT From ATS! Some ATS members are admins there but it is NOT an ATS server. If the owner of the 100 man Hospitallar server TELLS an admin to do something, either the admin does it or they are removed. You fail to understand the relevant information I am giving to you......Goretooth was told by the OWNER of the server to remove the LLJK presence. THe server owner is devilize, he makes the decisions for the 100 NA server. It was not Goretooth is mad Goretooth smash!!
I will offer you this....Every other post in this thread means nothing......if devilize decides to post something here, that is the only post that matters. He pays for the 100 Slot NA server and he can do as he wishes with it.
Like I stated in previous post, LLJK are still welcome on the NA 80 Slot server, the NA siege server, the NA duel server, and the NA Defend the village server. That is the only accurate information I can give you.
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You heard him, start kissing Devilizes ass, and making nicer pictures of him :D
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LOL JK
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Well it was only a matter of time before I came on and on the ban list seen a dozen or so lljk members banned in mass. I didn't order a mass ban, but I'm happy to take the credit for it. Each individual that was ban can request, for themselves, to be unbanned along with the reasoning for the ban originally - just like everyone else. this thread is closed.