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Title: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 08, 2013, 02:52:33 pm
Seriously thinking about backing this. It looks like a lot of fun...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1078333633/dwarfcorp (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1078333633/dwarfcorp)


Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: okiN on August 08, 2013, 05:29:22 pm
It looks like a dumbed-down Dwarf Fortress ripoff.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: AntiBlitz on August 08, 2013, 05:50:10 pm
It looks like a dumbed-down Dwarf Fortress ripoff.

good, as sad as it is to rip on dwarf fortress it needs to be updated, i never played it back in the day, so attempting to stare at 8's, and 0's and shit blinking around my screen like its the matrix is hard to put up with.  I'm normally not one for gfx being great, but its really hard to want to play it if your new to it and it looks like it will require work to play, rather then look fun.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: okiN on August 08, 2013, 06:12:18 pm
Approachability is all well and good, but I'm still waiting to see any of these wannabes come even close to the level of depth and variety DF has.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 08, 2013, 07:59:07 pm
Well, DF is just a copy either if wanna look at it that way.
It's DungeonKeeper and Settlers and I am sure there are 2 more games I could name that did something before DF did it. That's a - excuse my words but - pretty stupid argument from your side.

Besides, if anything then compare it with Minecraft for the looks and DungeonKeeper for the gameplay.

I get the impression you were like "Ah, look, Dwarves... yeah, cheap rip-off". That's of course the proper way to think not like "Oh, look, seems like we as gamers have a new genre on our hands and there is something different coming up." Guess it's not hardcore enough to be cool or - godly entity helps us - fun.

Honestly, I think DF is shit for it's gameplay and graphics.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Berserkadin on August 08, 2013, 09:38:28 pm
good, as sad as it is to rip on dwarf fortress it needs to be updated, i never played it back in the day, so attempting to stare at 8's, and 0's and shit blinking around my screen like its the matrix is hard to put up with.  I'm normally not one for gfx being great, but its really hard to want to play it if your new to it and it looks like it will require work to play, rather then look fun.

Use a good graphical tileset then.

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Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Largg on August 08, 2013, 09:56:33 pm
There's also a game called Gnomoria which is more or less also a DF copy. Not too bad, still in development. Definitely simpler than DF though.
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Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: chadz on August 08, 2013, 10:25:44 pm
The problem with DF was/is not so much the graphics as the UI and the UX. It was just impossible to get into the game without reading lots and lots of documentation. The learning curve is steep, and not steep as in fun, but steep as in studying. That has nothing to do with the graphics.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 08, 2013, 10:37:52 pm
To say graphics isn't part of a problem nowadays is kinda naive.
I mean, seriously, who is willing to pay for an ascii game with the current possibilities of modern chips?

Same thing with Dark Souls. Everyone seems to be like "Wow... So difficult and hardcore." without realizing that it's difficult cuz the controls are huge mess.
DF... So difficult and hardcore without realizing that it's only difficult cuz of the absent UI...

And then saying everything else is dumbed down cuz it's trying to improve on an idea... now that's plain ignorant.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Berserkadin on August 09, 2013, 12:01:38 am
The problem with DF was/is not so much the graphics as the UI and the UX. It was just impossible to get into the game without reading lots and lots of documentation. The learning curve is steep, and not steep as in fun, but steep as in studying. That has nothing to do with the graphics.
Took me 1 max 2 days to learn the basics, eventuelly you just get immersed in the world and learn as you go. Totally worth it imo.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on August 09, 2013, 08:25:00 am
Same thing with Dark Souls. Everyone seems to be like "Wow... So difficult and hardcore." without realizing that it's difficult cuz the controls are huge mess.

You had me till' you said that lol. Dark Souls controls were fine on console, they were bad on the PC port, but that's why it warned you to get a controller, much smoother with one. I don't think the controls are what provide it's difficulty at all.

On topic though, I like the idea. Some people (myself included), don't have the time or motivation to study just to play a game, I have enough studying to do as is. I like this idea of a simplified version that I could actually learn to play without having to do a bunch of reading just to learn how to do so.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 09, 2013, 09:55:30 am
Well, I got a bit of a nerdrage there but what annoyed me about Okin's comment is the comparison between DwarfCorp and DwarfFortress when there isn't even much of a similarity between them except the theme of Dwarves...

They are obviously different games, aren't they?

PS: I am backing this :P
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Vibe on August 09, 2013, 10:18:47 am
To say graphics isn't part of a problem nowadays is kinda naive.
I mean, seriously, who is willing to pay for an ascii game with the current possibilities of modern chips?

Pay maybe not, but play yes. Lots of ascii or ascii-like game have some really good features and unique gameplay.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 09, 2013, 11:36:30 am
Pay maybe not, but play yes. Lots of ascii or ascii-like game have some really good features and unique gameplay.
I won't deny that. I played this Candy game and the other one with the dark room too (stroke that fire like a pro whore). And enjoyed it for a while. Though you can't compare any of those games with people on Kickstarter, right?
Anyone who starts a campaign there is looking to create something that people are willing to pay for. Well, mostly at least. I think I've seen a few non-profit things going on but those seem to be, at least in the games section, to be the very small minority.

I am not someone who says graphics beat all. Obviously, otherwise I wouldn't play crpg/warband :wink:
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: okiN on August 09, 2013, 12:12:55 pm
Well, I got a bit of a nerdrage there but what annoyed me about Okin's comment is the comparison between DwarfCorp and DwarfFortress when there isn't even much of a similarity between them except the theme of Dwarves...

There's a great deal of similarity, you're just either in denial or ignorant about DF. Or maybe I'm missing something. Aside from graphics and UI, what key concepts does this game have that don't exist in DF? I didn't see any in the video.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 10, 2013, 10:08:15 am
You're basicly asking which key concepts has Minecraft in comparison to DungeonKeeper since you dig holes into a mountain in both games... that's the same level of comparability. It's like comparing Dead Island and DayZ cuz both games have Zombies in it.

But I won't argue with you any more. You stick to your "I play the real deal... everything else is just dumb" and I gonna enjoy playing DwarfCorp. when it's available.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2013, 01:50:17 pm
You're basicly asking which key concepts has Minecraft in comparison to DungeonKeeper since you dig holes into a mountain in both games... that's the same level of comparability.

It's really not. It's frankly idiotic that you're trying to argue there's no similarity between them when the devs themselves openly admit that DF was a huge influence on them -- and how could they not when it's so blatantly obvious. Apparently this game even got its start as a DF modding project.

But then again the way you instantly reacted with butthurt and incoherent attacks makes it pretty obvious that it's pointless to try to have a proper discussion with you, so I agree, we should leave it here.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 10, 2013, 07:24:46 pm
It looks like a dumbed-down Dwarf Fortress ripoff.
Yea, guess that is a proper way to start a discussion, with a well articulated and founded opinion, huh?

Nice.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Overdriven on August 10, 2013, 07:48:06 pm
Looks good. DF took years to evolve into what it now and there's no harm in starting all over again. This already looks far more intuitive and easy to use which was always my main issue with DF.

It looks like a dumbed-down Dwarf Fortress ripoff.

In some sense, that's a good thing.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2013, 08:51:29 pm
Yea, guess that is a proper way to start a discussion, with a well articulated and founded opinion, huh?

Nice.

It was a perfectly simple observation, and instead of actually addressing it in any way you started making crazy assertions about my reasons for drawing that conclusion as well as misrepresenting what I meant by it, all the while trying pointlessly to deny something anyone with two eyes and a brain can instantly see. Come on, now.

It DOES look like a DF ripoff. It DOES look dumbed-down. That's all there is to it. If you don't mind that, that's fine, but there's no reason to act like I just kicked your dog because I pointed it out.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 11, 2013, 12:51:21 pm
It was a perfectly simple observation, and instead of actually addressing it in any way you started making crazy assertions about my reasons for drawing that conclusion as well as misrepresenting what I meant by it, all the while trying pointlessly to deny something anyone with two eyes and a brain can instantly see. Come on, now.

It DOES look like a DF ripoff. It DOES look dumbed-down. That's all there is to it. If you don't mind that, that's fine, but there's no reason to act like I just kicked your dog because I pointed it out.
Calling something a "dumbed-down ripoff" is the same as saying it's shit. One really has to wonder why you even invested in M:BG since it's obviously a M&B ripoff.
I'm not annoyed by your opinion but by the way you waltzed in here and said the game is shit. That's what pissed me off: your fucked up attitude to something that obviously is inspired by another thing but has, beside that inspiration, not much else in common. There is no randomness, there is an actual interface, there is actual graphics, there is actual "real" gameplay - all in contrary to DF (gimme those '-' please, love you too, dear fanboys).
And on the first look, all that came to my mind was "Minecraft" in big neon letters, not DF.

...but from now on I gonna simply ignore your follow-up posts because I get the impression that all you do is jumping up and down shouting "I play DF... look at me... I'm not casual at all!" while waving your hands hysterically. Enjoy your monologue in case you're actually bothered to keep posting in here.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Christo on August 11, 2013, 01:08:43 pm
Hey look, drama.
Title: Re: [Kickstarter] DwarfCorp.
Post by: Molly on August 11, 2013, 02:00:41 pm
Again too late :(